Recruiting and star rankings
I found this an interesting read and figured i would share it.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/orl-sportsum-recruiting-2…
miami would do that but what does that say about this year for U of M is it good or bad?
Good.
Well, on the plus side, the coaches aren't listening to the recruiting sites as to which players to get. I'm just going to have to go on the faith that they know what they need.
utter embarrassment.
That's super embarrassing.
let us rejoice that Rodriguez and Staff make their own assumptions about recruits.
that Rich Rodriguez doesn't know how to use a computer andddddddddddd that he offered a scholarship to chrisgocomment. Maybe you can be the future of our special teams. Is it true you can punt a ball 99 yards off your knee cap?
Only if he holds the shift key whilst doing so.
Wow.
Now that is brutal. First, how dumb can you be to do that. Second, why would you ever admit that?
And they still have jobs? Wow.
That's not how they do it? Damn...
*Glances at rivals home page*
First, if true, of course this behavior shows a negligence towards recruiting and evaluation that is criminally stupid. And their fans have suffered for that stupidity.
Howeva, as in many things in life, extremes on both sides are mistaken. I wouldn't be concerned at all to find one of our coaches looking at Rivals--in fact, Rodriguez has admitted to doing so (not Rivals specifically, but recruiting sites) in an interview last year. Rivals has good information, and I wouldn't be surprised to find many coaches looking at it in order to get information that would then lead to them doing more work on a guy (game film, questioning HS coach, camp invites, etc).
Next, as has been discussed a lot around here (despite people who just can't grasp actual evidence periodically squawking), recruiting rankings do matter, and they have correlated to success on the field. When Miami's coordinator says that just because Florida and Alabama is recruiting a guy "that doesn't mean a thing," IMO he's equally wrong-- that actually is a pretty good indicator that such a guy is at least worth taking a good look at.
It of course all comes down to your own evaluation. Just as NFL teams use scouting services but then put their own grade on a guy, I see nothing wrong with using recruiting services as one of many inputs in the the hopefully thorough evaluation process.
Great alternative perspective. Well done sir.
Cosign. What struck me about this article was that some of the Miami coaches simply relied on the kid's offer sheet in determining whether or not he was a good player, even if he was being recruited for a different purpose and/or a different scheme at another school. I mean, if you are Miami do you really want every player who lines up on offense for Florida? Probably not, as they might be a good fit for the spread-based attack of Florida but not for the more pro-style offense used by Miami. Struck me as lazy recruiting.
Clay Mathews, Jr. was a walk-on at USC; Vontae Davis was a Rivals 3*** at Illinois. Both were first round picks in the NFL draft.
The article should have also included Charlie Weis at ND. Has he developed any of HIS recruits into top-notch players?
I don't think the article was so much an argument of development as you are implying. Charlie Weis may very well just use rivals and scout to recruit players, however he hasn't admitted to it so I guess that's the difference.
I guess this article really brings to point the question, would you rather be happy with a recruiting class and have it fail (based on rankings) or would you rather have underrated players (based on rankings) who succeed (ie. Omameh)
did you even read the article?
It didn't take any genius to know that Willie Williams was going to be a big-time flameout.
is that it is important that coaches do due diligence when it comes to recruiting. Some where complaining about Courtney Avery and just the fact that he came to M's camp and earned his offer from RR and staff should be enough.
To often we are caught in the hype. Miller and Robinson were thought by some to be sure fire 5 stars. Neither one has a fast enough FAKE 40 to get that ranking.
Rivals gave Pace a 3 star and one of the reasons was that they were not sure if he would be able to put on enough weight to make it in the NFL. Now they're saying after watching more film it looks like he is going to get a fourth star during the next rerank.
Just remember that not all 5 stars are going to be successful and not all 3 stars and under will be depth chart filler. The recruiting services can't measure heart, desire, and passion. Remember the greatest Baller of all time was cut by his varsity basketball coach. That being said I would still rather load up with the higher ranked guys, but I have confidence in RR and staff because it's their jobs that are on the line.
I stopped reading after "do due." Huhuhuhuhuh.
This is yet another excuse of people using the internet as a replacement for their brains.
Good article, though; I'll clip it to my Evernote so I remember it later.
a surprise that Division 1 College Football Coaches who make millions of dollars are better at evaluating talent than some journalists who make peanuts? The factor that gets discussed even less than this = how a players skills fit into what the coach expects him to do. I can think of many players who were good, but just didn't fit the system. RR has a very specific idea of what skill sets his offense needs, and this usually results in low ratings. Let's face it - 5'6" running backs don't excite most people. RR scoops 'em up and turns 'em into elite players in four years because they are effective in his scheme. Some players would be good in any system, but most are not that versatile.
For instance, there are many DE's in college that project as OLB's in the 3-4 in the NFL. The problem is that throughout their whole career in football, all they have ever been asked to do is hold outside contain and go get the guy with the ball. Now they get to the league and they are expected to read offensive formations, make checks, cover backs, TE's and sometimes slot recievers downfield, zone coverage, etc... The list is quite a bit longer. As a result some guys can make the change and most of them are never heard from again.
I also liked what the coach was saying about highlight films. In four years, just about everyone that starts most of the games has some awesome footage if you edit all the good stuff together. I could make you a highlight reel of my highschool games that would make me look like a Div. 1 candidate. I could show you a game where I had two TD runs (one for 43 yards) one INT, and four sacks. Nobody would mention how horrible the team we played that day was, or the fact that I didn't even start on offense (our starter got hurt that game). The truth is that I was recruited by Div. 3, and that was a pretty accurate evaluation of my talent (or lack thereof).
Coker was horribly overwhelmed and overmatched as a head coach. Recruiting was a factor, but so was lack of development. Also, there was a general lack of direction when Coker was there, too. Shannon is still paying for it.
Besides the lazy evaluation process described in the article, Miami's usual recruiting strategy is to build a fence around Miami Booker T Washington and Miami Northwestern. This can work well some years, but it also makes the team a lot more susceptable to the formation of cliques, most notably the one formed entirely of Dade County players, that detract greatly from teamwork.
Moreover, if a couple of thugs end up being the leaders of the Dade clique, Miami is in deep trouble.
Randy Shannon is a strict disciplinarian and may yet right the ship, but he still has a lot of work to do. I hope he can do it, because I think he has a lot of potential as a coach, but I don't know how much longer he will be able to coach at Miami without making a decent bowl game.
All the Canes need is a quality quarterback and Luther Campbell to loosen his purse strings.
Randy Shannon has look overmatched at times, and as much as i like him, this article shows that he may still be.
I thought the article said that this was mainly under Coker's reign. If the guy quoted still works there though, that's a red flag.
Shannon is overmatched in part because of the team they have now, whether he recruited them or not......i just wanted to sound topical while throwing out a tired old Luther Campbell joke.
They surfed Internet recruiting sites in search of talent.
So they did what almost all fans of recruiting want their coaches to do. Who could have possibly imagined that this might not be a good idea?
The real laughs to be found on that page reside at the bottom:
"Related topic galleries: Meteorological Disasters, Natural Disasters, Hurricanes, Disasters, Willie Williams, Football, University of Miami"
emphasis mine