Powerful speech by a Penn State student last night:
Powerful speech by a Penn State student last night:
November 9th, 2011 at 12:14 PM ^
Penn State fans-- This is Henri: The Otter of Ennui. Henri's crushing existential dread pins him to ground. With the current circumstances being what they are, I felt like this was the right time for a formal introduction. Enjoy him, because you two are going to be close for many years to come.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:29 PM ^
do you get winning posts like this.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:14 PM ^
Ah Henri, haven't seen you in about a year.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:18 PM ^
It takes tremendous amounts of courage to do what he did I applaud him for doing whats right and whats not popular.
We too have had an iconic football coach and thank God he did not have any type of scandal, but if he did there would be students supporting him as well at first.
Those students that booed will grow up have kids and be disgusted by this one day. All though they are wrong now, they will come around.
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November 9th, 2011 at 12:22 PM ^
Why are people neglecting to mention this?
The police WAS IN FACT involved after Paterno took this issue up to the highest position in the athletic department.
The police NEVER CHARGED Sandusky.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:26 PM ^
was the VP for Finance, whose budget encompassed the Campus Police, but with no actual enforcement authority. Its not even remotely the same thing as reporting it to say, a Police Commissioner. Most people don't accept that as reporting it to the police.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^
One of the articles that I read on the subject said "Campus police was involved, but charges were never filed against Sandusky".
To me this says that Paterno believed the GA enough to elicit some sort of police investigation but that the power of the school administration prevented charges from being field against Sandusky.
If someone came and told you that your son was molesting children because of their eyewitness testimony and then police don't press charges, how can you continue to press the matter? I don't see Paterno going out in public, calling for a more thorough investigation, when one investigation already failed to turn anything up!
November 9th, 2011 at 12:42 PM ^
Police were involved in the 1998 case. Paterno didn't get them involved, a mother complained. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11311/1188149-143.stm
1998: Victim 6, age 11, is taken to a locker room in the Penn State football facility, and Mr. Sandusky showers with him, giving him a bear hug. When he was dropped off at home, the boy's mother learns about the shower and contacts university police. A detective listens in on two phone conversations with the mother and Mr. Sandusky on May 13, 1998, and May 19, 1998. Mr. Sandusky admits to the joint showering.You missed the point. In 2002, Paterno didn't get the police involved, he got the guy who could squelch it if the police were called involved.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:13 PM ^
You should hold off commenting until you do some more reading on this case. You're making arguments based on misunderstanding the facts.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:35 PM ^
November 9th, 2011 at 12:34 PM ^
In 1998 the police were involved and determined that there was not enough to charge him. When a criminal gets away with it once, what happens? They step up their game.
Then in 2002 (this was the incident with the GA), the police were never alerted. Buck stopped at the AD. Sandusky was still allowed to come and go. Paterno now knew 2X and McQuery actually witnessed unspeakable behavior and still they both shared a building with that scum and never asked a single question for 9 F'ing years...
There is a special place in hell for Sandusky, they is a special place for the rest of them too.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^
That's because campus police technically work for the president of the university who likely wanted to shove this under the rug. Why else is Spanier not talking during all of this? Could you imagine Mary Sue hiding from the media in the same situation?
November 9th, 2011 at 2:30 PM ^
That the DA chose to not prosecute after one of the incidents. Don't know if I heard it right, or which incident...but I don't think it was the McQueary incident.. JoPa is not the only morally guilty party, butt he still it's one of them...a big one.
November 9th, 2011 at 2:30 PM ^
That the DA chose to not prosecute after one of the incidents. Don't know if I heard it right, or which incident...but I don't think it was the McQueary incident.. JoPa is not the only morally guilty party, butt he still it's one of them...a big one.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:48 PM ^
Woody hayes punched a get never coached a game again, what JoePa did is much worse, he should not coach again.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^
must be direct decendents of Salem, MA. It would just be much easier if we burned Paterno like their ancestors did to the witches of Salem. /s
Everyone's vile and disgust should be against Sandusky. The Paterno story has not been told - yet burn him man ... he must be a witch. Its very sad to read "mob behavior". One the entire story is out in the open, then and only then should there be a "burning".
Go Blue!
November 9th, 2011 at 2:27 PM ^
How many victims came after Paterno knew?
Bad comparison.
November 9th, 2011 at 4:14 PM ^
This is a ridiculous post. Do some reading on this case. Paterno allowed and enabled the rape of a child. Fuck him. There is more than enough evidence for people to think He needs to leave. They all need to be fired. Now. Every hour they arent is a reflection on the university.
November 9th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^
The university has been around for 156 years (1855) and likely 100 more. It doesn't need a rally from the students to preserve it.
On the other hand, Sandusky's victims (particularly the ones not even included in the grand jury report) appear to me to be getting the least amount of recognition and support.
For christ-sakes, has an apology even been issued yet by the university? By law enforcement? Anyone?
November 9th, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^
Go Blue!
November 9th, 2011 at 12:54 PM ^
Guys, if it suddenly came out that Bo was involved in something like this, we'd be in denial too. It will sink in soon enough though, Penn State has to move on.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:15 PM ^
Paterno's name is coming off the trophy. Yost's is not on a single one (an outrage in itself!). This would be fitting, I think, because these two were such great rivals (even if Yost left the western conference BECAUSE of Stagg) and both helped make the conference was it is today.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
Let that kid replace Spanier.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:25 PM ^
and I think he's right. I don't want to be dramatic, but I felt like rending my garments when I first read the indictment. http://espncleveland.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/how-did-we-get-here/
How did we get here? How did we bastardize college athletics into something that clouds the judgment of supposed shapers of tomorrow’s generation when the right thing to do is so clear? What pressures must the chase for one more championship inflict on the men in charge of the nation’s elite programs that their moral compasses become so skewed? . . . .
. . . It is against this horrifying backdrop of multiple young boys’ lives either ruined or irreparably scarred that they will nevertheless pack 105,000 fans into Beaver Stadium this weekend for the customary revelry of Penn State football. The 40 counts of sexual abuse against former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, and head coach Joe Paterno’s and university administrators’ roles in covering it up, are apparently not enough to stall the machine that churns inexorably on. . . .
Penn State cancelled Paterno’s press conference on Tuesday, when it should have cancelled the final home game of the season Saturday against Nebraska. It’s simply wrong to conduct business as usual when we have overwhelming evidence from the Pennsylvania Attorney General that Sandusky used Penn State football as an allure to entrap and violate the boys he preyed upon. Knowing that, who can tailgate, sing the alma mater or stand and cheer for a touchdown like nothing happened? Penn State’s students clearly demonstrated Tuesday night, when hundreds gathered on Paterno’s lawn in a chanting, hand-clapping show of support, that they will further embarrass their school if given the platform. They sang the raucous theme from Seven Nation Army, as if this entire ugly episode is some third-and-12 the Nittany Lions can escape with adequate pass protection and a well-placed downfield throw.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:50 PM ^
That crowd was full of majorly butthurt dudes, and impotent rage.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:51 PM ^
Have NO Concept of what Paterno Did..He KNOWINGLY alowed this man to keep doing what he was doing..He chose to turn the other way as Young Boys lives were being destroyed..
These students could care less about the Victims.
He put his reputation or the schools reputation over the lives of these kids and were supposed to applaud this man..?
Im sorry I cant...The entire University Higherups , the AD and the Head coach ALL KNEW...
and DID NOTHING
Shame on all of them
November 9th, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
Im guessing thre are ALOT more out there..over 30 plus years..we will never know because who would come forward and face the humiliation and devastation..> Im sick about this
November 9th, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^
These types of monsters don't wake up at 50 and start this behavior.
November 9th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
Last night he said this outside his home: "You know, the kids are the victims, whatever they want to say. I think you ought to say a prayer for them. Because you know, tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway you have been great…."
Seriously, "tough life when people do certain things to you." Yeah and a hurricane is "a little rain".
Jesus, just what hell is in the water in State College anyway. Does anyone there have a soul?
November 9th, 2011 at 6:19 PM ^
I think you have to take into account that he's not exactly full steam ahead on the whole processing thoughts quickly front. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't mean it to come out like this. Obligatory note that I am infact talking solely about the moment of Paterno's life where he's giving an impromptu speech outside of his window at this age, and not about the information that's come out about him from around a decade ago.
November 9th, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^
We shouldn't be surprised. The kids at PSU are just being human. I don't fault them for it; but it doesn't mean they're right.
Politics are not permitted on this forum, so I'll use TWO political examples, from opposite ends of the spectrum. Republicans supported Reagan during Iran-Contra, because they loved the man and hated the Congressional rules against helping the Contra rebels -- even though it wasa blatant violation of federal law. Many Democrats supported Clinton even though he flat-out committed perjury. Not saying either president should have been impeached; all I'm saying is, die-hard fans of a leader will always contort reality consistent with their views.
As Adam on Mythbusters says, "I reject your form of reality and prefer to substitute my own."
Eventually, as they get away from it, most of the kids at PSU will see things differently. But what they intimately and passionately love is being disgraced in the most inhuman of all ways, so if within 48 or 72 hours they still don't want to let go of what they love -- JoePa's reputation -- then they just need time.
BTW, the BOT needs to indefinitely suspend, if not fire, JoePa immediately, he can't coach any more games for them.
November 9th, 2011 at 2:46 PM ^
Sort of like the demonstrations of support for Joe Paterno, my guess is that this is a group of people who have been so bombarded by so much horrific, tragic news about what Sandusky did and what others failed to do to stop him that, for the time being, they've shut down and gone into full denial. I wonder when it progresses to anger, and I can't even fathom what bargaining will sound like....
The last thing they apparently want to hear is a reasoned, reflective statement that hits the nail on the head.
November 9th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^
That one guy really wants to point out that Tony Dorsett went to Pitt.
November 9th, 2011 at 8:44 PM ^
Powerful? I didn't see it. But it definitely took some courage to speak in a crowd like that.
November 9th, 2011 at 9:55 PM ^
He wasn't powerful in the sense that he had the whole group of students listening with no interuptuons. He didn't have a mic plus people were yelling and booing him. However, it's on youtube and made it onto a blog. That means his message has enough power on its own to get trhough to people.