Post-MSU Snowflake Thread

Submitted by TheCube on March 7th, 2021 at 6:46 PM

Get well soon Eli. This team has no depth without you. 

Seems like teams have figured out the offense a bit especially since Illinois. Need some more creativity. Livers is MIA. Franz has been sloppy as of late. 

Figure M has to be the 4th #1 at this point unless it gets farther in the BIG Tourney than Illinois. 

Squad16

March 7th, 2021 at 6:47 PM ^

Get well Eli. 

Win the third game against State, nothing wrong with 2-1 (I'm pretty confident they'll beat Rutgers, their likely opponent). 

Ajcoss

March 7th, 2021 at 7:54 PM ^

Seems like a 2 week injury. Out next week. Game time decision for Rd 1 of tourney. Wasn’t he in a boot earlier for his injury? That was like 7-10 days out? Anyone remember? Anyone know what ankle/foot it was earlier this season? Same one? 

Cam

March 7th, 2021 at 6:48 PM ^

There was a long time when Michigan would celebrate barely making the tournament while MSU was hanging banners. Be grateful the situations are reversed and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

TheCube

March 7th, 2021 at 6:57 PM ^

Season is a success regardless given the regular season title. The team definitely isn't as bad as the pre-season expectations, but it doesn't seem as great as the #2 ranking either. Funky year, lot of variance especially if Brooks is out for long. 

I am kind of surprised at the lack of depth behind Davis and Brown. Johns is what he is. Zeb or TWill need to be serviceable. 

Frank Chuck

March 7th, 2021 at 7:08 PM ^

Brandon Johns has regressed majorly. Maybe it's the lack of playing time but he contributes very little in the game (especially when we're trailing).

But Isaiah Livers played terribly today. And him missing 2 3s when a 2 would've been enough in either situation is just...AWFUL.

More than anyone else on this team (other than Brandon Johns), Livers should've played like this was the National Championship Game. He's from the state. He knows how much this game means to the program.

1145SoFo

March 7th, 2021 at 7:22 PM ^

These are both post-loss overreactions. Johns has faced some of the most extreme position changes from starting as a Beilein wing → backup 5 for Teske → minutes at both wing + 5 in the position most altered by Coach Howard. He's still a solid bench contributor, just inconsistent as most bench guys are.

And if you don't want your 45% senior 3pt shooter putting up wide open late game 3's, I'm not sure what to say. Sometimes they don't go down. Livers has hit plenty of clutch shots in his career, and him being called "terrible" hardly seems worth addressing.

Ajcoss

March 7th, 2021 at 7:37 PM ^

Better take is we sleep walked for 35 min. Woke up last 5, had a chance, but between MSU making some plays/shots and we didn’t is the game (Livers and key FT’s). BUT, if you show up earlier, don’t have to worry about this. Need to play better from the beginning. You let teams hang around, this is what happens.

1145SoFo

March 7th, 2021 at 7:49 PM ^

Yeah there was definitely a 10min stretch or so in the early-to-middle of the 2nd half where the wings seemed content to just sit back and wait for the offense to flow out of the post. Surely the cornerstone of our offense but HD was struggling to get position. Not sure about Howard's NBA offense if the lack of variety there is more on the set calls or the wings getting complacent. Would be interested to see someone smarter than I analyze it.

redhed

March 7th, 2021 at 6:57 PM ^

There is no question that Howard has our program on an up-ward trajectory, but I'm curious to hear why MSU will be a bubble team for the foreseeable future ?  Fu#k the midget, but he typically has little trouble recruiting kids good enough to challenge for league titles.

SagNasty

March 7th, 2021 at 6:49 PM ^

Holy shit what a terrible OP. 
 

Big ten is a grind

this game was far more important to state

Michigan is exhausted 

Get a grip. It’s a meaningless loss. 

Frank Chuck

March 7th, 2021 at 6:59 PM ^

"It’s a meaningless loss."

Fuck this bullshit attitude.

No rivalry game is EVER meaningless. Like Juwan Howard said, "If you think this game is meaningless then you don't understand sports."

He was talking about schmucks like you.

I bet this game would've been super meaningful if we had won.

Michigan blew an opportunity to give Juwan Howard a 3-1 lead over Izzo.

As a fan, I'm hung up on Isaiah Livers not having a good game. He missed 2 3s. (A 2 would've worked in either situation.)

Frank Chuck

March 7th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^

Yep. It's infuriating shit.

Bad losses come back to haunt you...and is fodder for trolling.

And don't let any Michigan fan gaslight into thinking this wasn't a bad loss. This is the worst fucking team Izzo has had in roughly 20 seasons. And Michigan didn't beat them in Breslin.

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Michigan State had among its worst seasons in recent memory in both Football and Basketball this year. There's just one school they beat in both sports.

SagNasty

March 7th, 2021 at 9:09 PM ^

Honestly they only needed to win one of the last three to get the championship and they accomplished that. 
 

This game was State’s entire season on the line. It was going to be difficult to match their intensity when Michigan had already won the B1G. Does it suck to lose to them? Yup it does but don’t put too much stock into it. Michigan will be fine once they stop playing other B1G teams. They all know each other so well. 
 

Don’t compare this to football. Two totally different situations. 
 

If anything this will probably be a positive to serve as motivation to kick their ass if we play them in the B1G tournament. 

Frank Chuck

March 7th, 2021 at 7:03 PM ^

Being able to eliminate Sparty's NCAAT hope is meaningless?

Am I in a fucking bizarro world?

If anyone in the athletic department shares your opinion, I want him or her terminated. It's lackadaisical bullshit like this that allowed Sparty to become the major fucking thorn that it is today.

Everything from Johnny Orr blowing the Magic Johnson recruitment to the in-state/national media not hammering Sparty for Izzo's garbage, dirty brand of basketball.

Jordan2323

March 7th, 2021 at 7:08 PM ^

Nope, you’re not and the Illinois loss wasn’t meaningless either. This team is super talented but it often lacks killer instinct. Today, Livers was too busy cutting up every time Watts was at the line instead of wanting to blow them out of the gym. This team lacks a motivator like a Burke or Stauskas, who would’ve bled to put these guys in the tournament grave. 

harbaughler

March 7th, 2021 at 6:50 PM ^

losing 2 of 3 to MSU and a game 1 big 10 tourney exit and possibly losing our #1 seed. 

 at that point if we lose to sparty again in 5 days the season looks like one of those car crashes waiting to happen.

A Lot of Milk

March 7th, 2021 at 6:50 PM ^

Worst possible scenario of a game. If you don't want to play, concede, save the starters, and let msu go to the tournament. Instead, we sleepwalked through the entire game, lost one of the two (!!!) guards we have, and STILL lost to the worst msu team in decades, just like the fucking football team.

You could not draw up a more nightmarish scenario than what we saw today. I love Juwan and am happy with the season, but this is two years in a row where they limped into the postseason. We didn't get to see what would've happened last year, but we'll get a chance now. Seasons are made and lost now, and we are not trending in the right direction