"Our chatter" vs "Their chatter"

Submitted by hazardc on

The one thing that has seemed consistent over the past couple weeks is that most of the base here seems pretty much 80%+ that  JH will end up coming back to A2.

 

ESPN barely touched the issue, even with Michigan apparently laying out a deal that would make him the highest paid football coach, period. 

 

A lot of commentators over the past week have been so gung-ho on saying Harbaugh would never be leaving the NFL, as if it were just an impossible thing. My thing is that I really think of NCAA football when I think of legendary COACHES, and both NCAA and NFL when I think of legendary PLAYERS.

 

Their arguments on where they believe Jim is going seem to be based on either some sort of logical fallacy or just throwing darts at a wall with a blindfold on....

 

Could their "information" have anything to do with the line on the sports books when it was  at a ridiculous 8-1?  I've noticed a huge shift on the sports networks where they prety much give betting advice (especially on ESPN).... Do the books have influence over these outlets?  Are they trying to hedge those losses? It seems like a LOT of "us" got in on those odds... and our "inside information" seems to consistently be 180 degrees off from their " inside information" 

The same with saying Harbaugh turned down the offer and Michigan came back with the metric-assload of money. It just seemed like a load of shit that they made up to keep people thinking he never wanted the job at all. 


Should I be wearing tin foil?

 

No, I haven't been drinking tonight, though this week has been quite sleepless. 

 

 

SFBlue

December 19th, 2014 at 1:41 AM ^

I think the prevailing view is that Harbaugh is an NFL guy, and the League is the pinnacle of the sport. Since the Jordan Bulls disbanded, the NFL is the dominant form of sporting entertainment.

Our love for college football, and Michigan especially, insulates us from that line of view. I think in most places in America, choosing college over the NFL does not compute.

SFBlue

December 19th, 2014 at 2:53 AM ^

Right, but that's exactly my point.  Why is college football king in SEC country?  Because in places like Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, and Florida (outside Miami) there either are not NFL teams, or they are not very good.  The national media has a heavy east coast slant (where NFL rulez), and the west coast media has an NFL slant. 

What is lost on a lot of people on this board is that for Harbaugh to come to Michigan would be practically unheard of.  Seth posted a very good survey of NFL coaches who went back to college, and I think Wannstadt was really the only guy who left the NFL to go back to his alma mater.  But he was not a hot prospect, and had no NFL options.  If Harbaugh does come, it would really speak to just how special the University of Michigan is.  I don't care if the rest of the country, or the media, doesn't understand.  It is only important, for these purposes, that Jim Harbaugh does. 

NJWolverine

December 19th, 2014 at 4:09 AM ^

Judging by your username, I guess we are both biased because we're constantly bombarded with news about NFL teams.

I just looked at Seth's survey and I came away discouraged.  There was no coach in that list who did what Harbaugh would be doing now if he came back (go back to college when he will likely have multiple NFL options, and where he hasn't failed or been middling as a NFL coach).  I agree that it would speak volumes about Harbaugh's love for the school if he came back.

But I will add this.  None of the colleges those former NFL coaches left for are as desperate as we are right now.  The only school that comes close was USC in 2001 when they hired Carroll.  The desperation and the money the school is throwing around may make Harbaugh an exception, but let's see. 

Mr Miggle

December 19th, 2014 at 5:34 AM ^

When was the last time a college even tried to hire a successful NFL coach?

This is a unique situation. A very successful coach is unhappy and leaving his team. When was the last time that happened in the NFL? He's only been in the league a few years and his alma mater is willing to pay NFL money. What's the closest comparison to our current situation?

 

ThadMattasagoblin

December 19th, 2014 at 1:50 AM ^

Depends on where you are. The media is in California and the east coast where NFL>College. There's no media in the midwest or south where college>NFL. Why do you think that the ESPN talks about the Jets, Knicks, or Yankees 60 percent of the time? As for these analysts, no one knows anything. Look at what Schefter says about us having no consultants or IPads, or private jets. I'm pretty sure we've had those things for years. After the Brandon years, we definitely have those things.

trustBlue

December 19th, 2014 at 2:00 AM ^

Honestly, the information coming out the respective NFL and Michigan camps is so far apart, that it seems like someone is intentionally feeding their sources misinformation.  Either Harbaugh's camp is feeding misinformation to the NFL guys (presumable in order to throw off the 49ers and maintain leverage regarding the buyout) or he is feeding Michigan AD a line of B.S. in order to maximize the bids from prospective NFL teams.  I just don't see how the two sides' "sources" could be so far apart outside of some sort of intentional obfuscation.

UMgradMSUdad

December 19th, 2014 at 7:43 AM ^

The NFL reporters have been saying about Harbaugh taking the Michigan job: "As I told you, it would be absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable. No one in Guilder knows what we've done, and no one in Florin could have gotten here so fast. Out of curiosity, why do you ask? "

Now that Michigan has beaten their Giant and bested their Spaniard, they have been backtracking but are still muttering "inconceivable" over and over.  All that's left is for them to drink the poison when Harbaugh announces he's the next coach of the Michigan Wolverines.

Monkey House

December 19th, 2014 at 1:59 AM ^

I must say I find it interesting that you don't think of NFL when thinking about legendary coaches. I grew up with the NFL so that might be why I'm the opposite in that regard.

Madonna

December 19th, 2014 at 3:42 AM ^

When I saw a list of legendary NFL coaches earlier today, I read up on them to better inform myself of NFL history.   The only one active was Bill Bellichek.  Everyone else Shula, Walsh, Lomabardi, Pacells, Gibbs, Noll, Brown, etc. either retired or had glory days squarely in the last century.  And Bellichek is considered a cheater, utterly despised by many.

NFL players just seem to outshine the coaches these days, whereas even Heisman winners in college seem overshadowed by their coaches.

It could just be me.

Roc Blue in the Lou

December 19th, 2014 at 2:01 AM ^

Here's the rub:  JH already knows if that is his line in the sand.  i.e. NFL or bust.  I would hope, and PRAYthat he would have already sent back-channel signals if that were the case, and allowed UM to move on to its next best target.  Since we are on hold for Mr. Harbaugh, that obviously has not happened.  So, either we have him and the timing for an announcement of said hire simply awaits the end of his season OR he is playing us like a rube for a big NFL pay raise.  I cannot imagine Hackett would simply ignore JH's back-channel rejection and not move on to his/our next major target.  Gotta believe JH has given the green light to UM.  However, if he opts to parlay this mega offer into a Raiders gig, or whatever team, i will have lost all respect for him and want to never...NEVER hear or see his name again on this board--except with serious foul mouthed epitaphs.

BlueHills

December 19th, 2014 at 2:13 AM ^

Enough of this third party stuff.

I just had a little iChat with Harbaugh. I asked him what his plans were. He pulled out his Samurai sword, took out a stack of 1000 dollar bills, and neatly cut the stack in half with his sword. So perfectly skilled was he with the sword, that he didn't even scratch the table.

"I don't know," he answered. "If I take the 48 million how many times will I be able to cut a stack of 1000 dollar bills in half with my sword?"

"Depends on the thickness of the stack," I answered.

"Oh, thanks. I forgot all about the math thing."

"No worries," I said. "You might want to clean that up with your special shovel. So are you coming to Michigan?"

"Yes I mean I don't talk about other jobs yes," he said.

Then he turned off his computer. That's all I know. I deleted the record of the chat just in case. The only people I'm telling are the folks here. So keep it a secret.

hazardc

December 19th, 2014 at 2:25 AM ^

It's just hard for me to imagine that we stick around and wait for someone with that kind of money being on the table, leaving them all the leverage, while all other coaches have basically backed out, no rumors, nothing... not without it pretty much being sealed. I just have a hard time thinking someone like Hackett would let it string out without us hearing about other people even being considered. There are no rumors from anyone about other coaches anywhere being offered the job. 

 

Why would we? Unless this is really some kind of epic "soul search," I can't imagine this guy at least saying "you might want to consider others, because I'm not sure."   I would think someone like JH has more respect for this whole thing than to leave UM hanging out to dry if he was thinking there was any probability of him not taking the job.

 

 

If he were to turn it down, I hope he at least pitches in for group therapy for this forum, because this guy is looked a as someone who should already have a statue erected the day he arrives on campus by many people on here, and turning the job down at this point.... I'd hate to see the level of frustration and hate that would come out of this forum after a month of mental masturbation. 

 

1329 S. University

December 19th, 2014 at 2:39 AM ^

Hackett either has a firmest handshake "yes" from Harbaugh once the season is over OR from a big time(Stoops, Mullen, Miles, Mora type) with the deal being that they have guaranteed to take the job if Harbaugh says no. If the high salary numbers we've seen floated out there for Harbaugh are close to true then we could also guarantee the "B" choice a pretty hefty sum as well so one would be agreeable to the aforementioned scenario of having to wait for Harbaugh.

Bottom line for me is I believe the current leadership at M knows they can't botch this hire, and the complete lack of real, legitimate leaks tells me this is done, and professionally. Unfortunately we have to wait a few more days but the payoff is going to be incredible.

uminks

December 19th, 2014 at 2:37 AM ^

I think he is still undecided and weighing his options. I think the fact that his players may have turned on his discipline and coaching tactics may fall in our favors. Since, I don't think Jim is having the same amount of fun when he coaches college kids. It will be interesting to see which direction Harbaugh ends up going. I just hope that he would like to take a break from the NFL and coach Michigan for 6 seasons!

UFM

December 19th, 2014 at 2:50 AM ^

Hey--OSU fan here.  I think some posters here have hit the nail on the head.  Judging by all of the facts that we know for sure, there can really only be three scenarios:

1)  Harbaugh has silently accepted the job or has given every indication that he is seriously considering taking it.  As some posters have noted, this explains why Michigan has allowed other candidates to take other jobs and why someone like Miles is telling the media that he's out of the running for the job.  It also explains why JH has been cryptically silent to the media and why it is public knowledge that Michigan has sent JH a $50 million offer.

2)  Harbaugh has given Hackett no indication one way or the other because he simply has not made up his mind or given this a ton of thought (he is, after all, pretty busy running the 49ers and all).  And Hackett is interpreting no news as good news.  He and his staff think that JH would have told them "no" if he wasn't interested and wouldn't string Michigan along.  This explains why they decided to offer $50 million and why they are happy waiting this out.  Ultimately, JH will decide and make a tough decision and Hackett is willing to roll the dice knowing full well that he may get rebuffed.

3)  Harbaugh is leading Michigan on to leverage Michigan's interest into a sweet deal from an open NFL gig.  He realizes that it's to his economic benefit to have Michigan throw money at him because it raises his market value and invites a bidding war.  Hackett is falling into his trap and Michigan will end up being played.

Scenario I'm completely ruling out:  JH has informed Michigan that he will NOT take the job but Hackett is so desperately set on Harbaugh that he is ignoring that and throwing money at JH.  This scenario seems implausible because if this leaked Hackett would be crucified for letting other candidates fall off while he foolishly threw money at someone who flat out told him he wasn't coming.

Which scenario is the correct one?  Only JH knows for sure.  My gut says the second scenario is the right one.  I find it hard to believe that JH has indicated anything solid to Michigan because that would have leaked.  It's far more likely and reasonable to assume that there is a bit of a standoff and Michigan is doing what it can to make him an offer he can't refuse.  The potential fireworks here is that if JH ends up rebuffing Michigan, he will be crucified by Michigan fans for having led Michigan on.   And they would be right.

OSU Fan perspective:  I speak for a lot of Buckeye fans when I say I hope you get Harbaugh.  We need another 10 year war and JH would provide it.  The BIG 10 needs this rivalry now more than ever.  Beating Wisconsin 59-0 in a title game indicates that the Big 10 is a joke.  OSU (like any team) is only as good as its conference -- because that's what they get judged on in the national media.  Best of luck and go Bucks!

 

Maizenblueball

December 19th, 2014 at 4:16 AM ^

I agree with you on number 2.  I think Harbaugh is torn between the competitor in him wanting to compete at the highest level and achieve a victory in the Superbowl, while his heart loves the idea of saving Michigan and returning it back to glory.  I HOPE that he already has a silent agreement with Hackett to coach Michigan once his season is over, but the non-homer part of me can appreciate the desire of a competitor wanting to achieve a championship at the highest level in a profession, in this case, the NFL. I just hope that his sentimental side wins out.  Would love to have him back in AA.

Perkis-Size Me

December 19th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

It's a bit of a refresher hearing from an OSU fan who says something other than OSU is going to dominate Michigan until the end of time.

I'd hope OSU fans want this too. They want to know part of why they're getting disrespected? Having Urban Meyer as your coach doesn't change the fact that the Big Ten is a shitty conference. Playing Purdue and Minnesota doesn't do much to prepare you for Alabama. Michigan has done a lot to contribute to this conference's mediocrity, but having Michigan back would be a huge boost to everyone's credibility in this conference. Especially OSU's.

Plus, it'd be nice for us to actually make The Game an actual game again. I'm sure OSU fans like the winning, but beating a bowl-less Michigan team can't be as exciting as beating a 10-11 win Michigan team with title aspirations.



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mdigg3

December 19th, 2014 at 4:00 AM ^

My brother came across this info, but I've never heard of the site to judge it's reliability.. Nor was I able to find much info about the source, but it wasn't as biased as every report coming from nfl writers.. chatsports.com/michigan-wolverines/a/BREAKING-Harbaugh-Will-Accept-Michigan-Offer-Barring-LastMinute-Change-Of-Heart-10-2-6148 Insert www. In front the prior url. I'm new to the site, so not sure of rules to post url's. Sorry if I'm late to the party :\

LSAClassOf2000

December 19th, 2014 at 7:03 AM ^

Because this is happening in a few threads, I'll leave a comment - ChatSports is not to be used or posted on this blog as it violates the "no Ace Williams" rule. I know that new folks probably wouldn't know the history, but Mr. Williams is essentially the worst sort of rumormonger, even to the point of making things up altogether, and "breaking news" on his site should in no way be confused with responsible reporting. 

Loopyd1

December 19th, 2014 at 7:11 AM ^

I think the reverse has happened.  Hackett submitted a qualifying offer in the $6 million range, that gave him cred to go further.  The further however was what ever the NFL would pay Jim.  So after the loss put SF out of the playoffs the NFL'ers weighed in with the agent, the agent relayed to Hackett what the new "salary floor" for Jim H looked like with professional teams setting the price.  Hackett then confirmed that he was getting serious consideration, the agent says yes and he pops not only a CFB leading salary offer, but one that only 3 NFL guys (Payton, Carroll and Belichick) get.  That offer, combined with Jim's interest have us where we are today, guardedly hopeful, and still very much in the mix of things.

charblue.

December 19th, 2014 at 12:10 PM ^

I believe the process leading to the disclosure of Michigan's offer and the $49 million figure which is a curious number given the circumstances, came after Michigan had informal backchannel discussions with both Harbaugh and his agent through the search firm.

I don't think Hackett has ever spoken with Harbaugh, or if he has it's only been to confirm a meeting date with him over the current offer. If you go back and look at  some of the previous reporting early in the search process about the time or shortly after Hoke was fired, you will see will see how this probably came about.

Jim has had many contacts with former Michigan players and some reportedly went to see him and supposedly watched a college game with him. I find this kind of dubious except that Saturday afternoons before a Sunday NFL game are a dead period for most teams whether at home or on the road. They typically have meertings Saturday night and go over assignments by various units and meet with TV media types.

In any case, I think this particular meeting Harbaugh had with his Michigan contacts was sought to disover what it would take to get him to Ann Arbor both from a coaching standpoint and on an emotional one. I don't think they necessarily talked money because that would have been done through his agent. Harbaugh is represented by a company which employs a Michigan grad as their lead guy in client management, recruitment and contract relations.

There was a story reported not long after the process began about the cost of hiring Harbaugh and how there was a discussion with Schissel and the regents about this. The point of this, obviously, was to let the Michigan decision-makers know what it would take financially to hire this coach and how it would be done if they approved. I think this was just a private discussion between Hackett and Schissel with perhaps a couple fo regents kept abreast.

The point was not to scare anyone about the money that would be needed to land Harbaugh, Shortly after this, there were reports indicating that Hackett planned to work directly and go through the 49ers as part of this search.

That is why now in recent days you've seen in some NFL insider reports references to how Michigan was rebuffed and presented an earlier offer that wasn't accepted, when, in fact, Michigan was only talking numbers without a formal offer present.

The leak of the proposed deal came likely from either Harbaugh's agent or a Michigan source familiar with the process of the number crunching. That is where most leaks originate because the agent has ulterior motive in reporting the offer for his client.

In this case, the disclosure bernefits Michigan because it shows it's dead serious in hiring him and is willing to go all in to get him. That satisfies a number of audiences and both puts a timestamp on the proposal and makes it clear Michigan didn't interfere with Harbaugh while he was still coaching his team for the playoffs, since the offer came after the 49ers were officialiy eliminated. It also comes before the NFL season is over preventing other teams from making competing offers. And it sets up a trigger date for a decision by Harbaugh which takes the money issue as a competing concern off the table, because nobody else can negotiate till the end of the NFL season, before which Michigan needs an snswer from Harbaugh. This was a very effective manuever and puts all the accountability for acceptance or rejection on Harbaugh.

No matter how this turns out, in terms of trying to get Harbaugh, Michigan did it right.