OTish? JT Barrett named starting QB over Cardale

Submitted by Casanova on

I didnt' see this posted, I figured I would. So i did.

Thoughts on this QB change? Do you guys think it makes OSU better or does Cardale demotion cause strife in the locker room?

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October 20th, 2015 at 5:58 PM ^

No one knows. Some how they won a national championship with a third stringer. It may make them worse. It may make them better. Only time will tel.



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Tater

October 20th, 2015 at 7:12 PM ^

They are "blessed" because they buy players.  If anyone "rats," they get death threats.  If they get caught, they admit nothing, deny everything and make countercharges.  Even when they got a punishment they deserved, they still acted as though they did nothing wrong.  

Then, when it was time to get a football coach, they didn't fuck around with a Brady Hoke.  They paid for the best guy out there.  And they haven't allowed anyone to give any resistance to hiring Urban Meyer or try to sabotage his regime in any way.  Once they hired Meyer, they gave him the full "keys to the kingdom," no questions asked.

Michigan is going to be a "blessed" program within two years because of Harbaugh.  They aren't going to cheat, but Michigan is doing the same things right that OSU is doing right.  Harbaugh has the keys to the kingdom.  He and his assistants are being paid enough to put their jobs among the top three in the country.  

Most of all, Michigan isn't going to cheat or take shortcuts.  It may take a year or two longer for the desired results to show, but they will show.   Then, other fans will complain about Michigan being "blessed."

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xtramelanin

October 20th, 2015 at 7:45 PM ^

c. jones doesn't read routes right and doesn't go through his progressions quickly enough.  he is always mad dogging his receivers as if its their fault every time a pass play doesn't work out, but its not.  i assume b. miller's shoulder is toast and that's why he's not playing QB, otherwise i'd start that kid or barrett before i'd start c. jones. 

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xtramelanin

October 21st, 2015 at 5:31 AM ^

and the only reason he won't be jemarcus #2 is that i doubt he ever gets meaningful playing time again.  i think he had a couple of games on a great team with a simplified offensive plan that got them a championship.  good for c. jones.  but that success was not sustainable.  i remember watching b. miller as the freshman QB in the big house and thinking, 'oh man, a freshman?  he is going to be all-world'. 

my guess is that in the absence of injury to the new guy, c. jones is a back-up and done.   he can spend more time playing school. 

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UGLi

October 20th, 2015 at 6:03 PM ^

Cardale should have known this was a possibility when he forewent the NFL draft when his stock was impossibly high to return to a team that had a three-headed monster QB situation.
Braxton Miller switched to WR, Barrett recovered and bided his time, and now Jones has to fall in line, like they did.



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October 20th, 2015 at 6:59 PM ^

This is a reason why Urban is so sucessful- he never just locks in on a player for the season, everybody is expendable, everybody has a chance to start.

To him they are all just chess pieces to be moved about as strategy and results dictate. Every player is always changing in his ability and usefullness. A team doesn't need 6 Knights and no Rooks or Bishops. He tries to round out his game pieces so they all add something missing.

Frankly it is a lesson most coaches never learn.

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DonAZ

October 20th, 2015 at 6:03 PM ^

I think it's a good move for them (with me holding my nose as I type that).

Jones is a truck when he runs with the ball, but he makes mistakes.  Barrett is more nimble and seems more adept at running the offense. 

With Barrett at QB and Miller somewhere else on the field, that's a lot of speed and athleticism.  The OSU/MSU game is going to be interesting to watch.

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UMfan21

October 20th, 2015 at 6:09 PM ^

I'm hoping their QB controversy grows until we play them, and Urbs picks the wrong QB against us.

Speaking of which...which QB would you rather we face?

 

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October 21st, 2015 at 12:06 PM ^

This kind of distraction is exactly what I thought would happen should Cardale not work out as a starter. I agree with several statements above, Urbz and Harbaugh are not saddled to one specific player, EVER! Your position on the team is always under evaluation. This type of good, honest, and fair competition is going to be the nucleus of Michigan's program moving forward. You sing for your supper every practice!

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Scarlatina

October 20th, 2015 at 6:10 PM ^

I think Urban was experimenting with Cardale in hopes of running a more balanced offense. Using Cardale's arm to dominate the passing game and Zeke to ground-and-pound. Only problem is that Cardale had too many flaws to hold up his end of the bargain. Jones couldn't hit his receivers in stride, didn't go through his progressions and was not able to put touch on his passes (everything was rockets). JT on the other hand doesn't have the arm or size of Cardale, but he does know how to COMMAND the read-option offense. Barrett knows how to read the defenses better and makes the right read more often than Cardale does in similar situations.

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Scarlatina

October 20th, 2015 at 10:55 PM ^

Except that Cardale Jones probably opened up the run game for Zeke with his arm. Jones has never been the most accurate passer, but he does have a cannon of an arm. Jones' arm + a deep threat specialist like Devin Smith was a deadly combination. Jones could loft up 50/50 balls deep to D. Smith, who would make the necessary adjustments to come up with the ball almost every time. This kept opposing defenses honest and prevented them from stacking the box.

Unfortunately for Cardale, Devin Smith’s replacement at deep threat this year, Noah Brown, broke his leg during fall practice and was lost of the season. It also doesn’t help that OSU only really has one “true” WR, Michael Thomas, after senior Corey Smith also broke his leg during the Indiana game. Thomas is good, but he’s not a deep threat extraordinaire like Devin, and everyone else are H-Backs/QB/ATHs playing as WRs (Jalin Marshall, Dontre Wilson, Curtis Samuel, and Braxton Miller).

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October 21st, 2015 at 12:17 PM ^

Cardale Jones is lacking the deep threat WR's that he needs to be successful. Players like Devin Smith and to a lesser extent Evan Spencer really helped Jones become the the player he was in those last three games. I believe that OSU just increased their chances to win out quite a bit by going with JT Barrett because it will help open up lanes for Elliott and will result in more touches for Braxton Miller. To me at least, a backfield with Barrett, Elliott and Miller will offer up many options for the Buckeyes offense. 

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bronxblue

October 20th, 2015 at 6:13 PM ^

Good.  He should have been all year.  

I knew this would happen when the year started; OSU would look out of sorts and beatable, but by the end they'd be rolling.  That's the best and worst thing about The Game; both teams have worked out so many of the kinks that by the time you play each other they are about as good as they'll be that year.  UM still has a chance, but I'd have liked them a lot more against OSU last week than in a month.

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SF Wolverine

October 20th, 2015 at 6:14 PM ^

Now Cardale has time to play school.  Seems like he might not have realized how hard it is to be a QB day in, day out.  Had an awesome run last year, but not like he could just coast b/c his team did not have a Plan B.

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bklein09

October 20th, 2015 at 6:14 PM ^

I have a feeling that Michigan's defense matches up with OSU better than we did with State. Cook is a pinpoint passer who can fit it into NFL windows. Add in some talented receivers and they were able to move the ball a little.

Not sure if any of the OSU QBs are as good as Cook throwing the ball. If we can shut down the run game (no small task but our dline has a shot) and avoid coverage busts, we could really make it tough on whoever is at QB.



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RationalBuckeye

October 20th, 2015 at 6:32 PM ^

I think it'll be interesting. Whoever the QB is will be much more mobile and make the edge defenders job much harder. With that said, I think at the moment the MSU receivers are better than OSU's. A lot will depend on who's healthy and who isn't in late November, but OSU's safeties are way more experienced and tough than MSU's, and they could stack the box if UM doesn't establish a downfield passing game.

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bklein09

October 20th, 2015 at 6:41 PM ^

Can't disagree with you there. It's unlikely that Michigan will be able to do much at all on offense against OSU. We will have to hope for some turnovers or short fields due to special teams plays.

Defense will have to keep us in the game and the offense will have to do just enough. Probably won't be much different than last week except THAT of course.



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October 20th, 2015 at 7:06 PM ^

I was expecting a surprise offensive gameplan against MSU and, other than Peppers in on a handful of plays, didn't get it. Also, when Hoke moved the ball on OSU he had Devin-to-Gallon and Devin-to-Devin. I think Harbaugh is just really limited in what he can do on offense because he doesn't have the QB he needs. It goddamn kills me to say because we should already have one win over a rival and have been waiting long enough as it is, but we might just have to wait to beat teams with excellent QBs, which unfortunately includes both rivals, until Harbaugh has had time to develop one himself.

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