OT: "Yeah, We Know" - More Allegations that Jim Jordan Knew
Not to be outdone by Chase Young, another Ohio State sports scandal continues to unfold.
It was common knowledge what Strauss was doing so the attitude was it is what it is,” the referree told NBC News. “I wish Jim, and Russ, too, would stand up and do the right thing and admit they knew what Strauss was doing, because everybody knew what he was doing to the wrestlers.
Now, I understand that Mr. Jordan is a (clears throat, reads bio) "respected congressman from the state of Ohio", but what's more relevant is that he held an involved role in the Ohio State athletic department prior to entering public service. I'm sure we'll all look over that as part of our "no politics" pledge here. (crosses fingers)
November 8th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
ABC squashing the Epstein thing was something.
When will people learn that political affiliation is no indicator of a person’s ethics?
November 8th, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^
Seems lately it borders on being the complete opposite
November 8th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^
Given the current climate not any time soon.
November 8th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^
A whole bunch of media/news organizations were run by sexual predators until recently (hopefully). NBC News still is, Fox News was by a ton of them, CBS was...
It's not great!
November 8th, 2019 at 2:41 PM ^
"The penis doesn't about race, creed, or color [or politics]. The penis just wants to get to its homeland." -- Larry David
November 8th, 2019 at 2:54 PM ^
When will people learn that Whataboutism is distraction for the sake of distraction?
November 8th, 2019 at 3:07 PM ^
Probably right around the time when people quit acting like the people they follow, promote or otherwise agree with are some sort of moral perfection when it becomes clearer and clearer that they aren't.
It's not whataboutism. It's calling out people's bullshit or, at best, inaccuracy in judge of character.
November 8th, 2019 at 11:19 PM ^
As soon as you call it out, you’re labeled the bad guy.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^
People who use whataboutism are people more concerned about protecting their status on the moral high ground than addressing the fact that such high ground does not exist.
November 8th, 2019 at 5:10 PM ^
whataboutism is the first line of defense against blatant hypocrisy
November 8th, 2019 at 2:58 PM ^
That's because the powerful and truly wealthy live by an entirely different set of rules than everyone else does. Once you hit a certain level of wealth (over $100 million maybe?), the rules simply don't apply to you anymore. It's a short walk to what Epstein did from there.
Speaking of, it was reported that he had his residences wired for sound and video, probably in order to gain blackmail material on his powerful friends. I'm sure those tapes have been destroyed, because if they ever got out our entire system would collapse.
Also, Jim Jordan is a twat. Always has been, always will be.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:07 PM ^
"Probably in order to gain blackmail material on his powerful friends."
Because Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were walking the halls of Epstein's home saying in a very clear voice "I cannot wait to have sex with these clearly underage girls right here in your home!"
And then they got on his jet for the purpose of transporting underage sex slaves to an island and they signed a "flight log." Because that is what sociopath international criminals do when they are transporting sex slaves on a private plane. They sign a "manifest" to memorialize that they were on the plane.
Come on.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:16 PM ^
I'm not even talking about politicians, although they would be likely targets. It was reported that Epstein would offer his guests a "massage" by one of the girls at his house; Dershowitz even admitted to getting one.
So that massage turns into a BJ or more and the whole act has been recorded without the recipients knowing anything about it. Later on Epstein needs something, "hey, remember that girl you fucked at my house? She was 14, and there's a tape".
There is no other logical reason to explain the deal he got when he was criminally charged the first time. Guy had A LOT of dirt on a lot of people.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:16 PM ^
Or governmental officials. You can kill 100,000 in a single day. You can imprison 100,000 Americans because of race. You can lose nukes in Spain and North Carolina. You can subject citizens to Nazi-style medical tests. You can debate semantics while a genocide happens. You can impose embargoes that kill many hundreds of thousands. You can start wars of choice killing millions.
You can do all that and not be held responsible. Why, they may even build statues of you.
Oh, to be in government!
November 8th, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^
Yet we concentrate and centralize more and more power with the government. We deserve whatever we get.
November 8th, 2019 at 5:12 PM ^
I think private unregulated companies are the way to go. Seems foolproof.
November 8th, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^
If they're both corrupt, might as well go with the one with an incentive to at least be efficient about it
November 8th, 2019 at 5:30 PM ^
Politicians have ethics????
November 8th, 2019 at 7:35 PM ^
Well said Salvatore. Can never understand why someone supports another political person just because they share the same political party affiliation. There are good and bad in both parties just wish people would support a person rather then a letter after their name
November 9th, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^
Voters don’t know the person. They know the person’s persona and policy prescriptions. Those generally have something to do with the letter by the name.
The problem is that voters tend to support the person well past having any reason to do so, and that’s because of the letter.
I don’t blame the rich of Ohio for initially supporting Jordan. But there’s no good reason to do so anymore. Especially not the letter, since there are plenty of other guys who will gladly pick up the R and work for their interests, and they might not even be immoral monsters.
November 8th, 2019 at 2:33 PM ^
Didn't the guy who originally came out and accused Jim Jordan of knowing later recant that story?
Nice try with the whole "No Politics" after "Mr. Jordan is a (clears throat, reads bio) "respected congressman from the state of Ohio"
November 8th, 2019 at 2:45 PM ^
Nice try with defending him.
And I don't think anyone from Ohio is respectable. ;)
November 8th, 2019 at 2:54 PM ^
All I stated was that I'm pretty sure the accuser who first broke the story and involved Rep. Jordan later recanted his allegations that Rep. Jordan actually knew.
I'll allow your vitriol for OSU and Republicans make you look like the pathetic fool.
I must know your take on Charles Woodson and Desmond Howard then :)
November 8th, 2019 at 3:08 PM ^
And if you read the article, you'll see that this accuser isn't affiliated with the first one.
I love name calling!
November 8th, 2019 at 3:16 PM ^
Referee with zero association with the University or Jim Jordan is accusing Jim Jordan of knowing things that the Referee would never know....
(Looks at political news) Oh, story comes out the same day Jim Jordan is placed on the House Intelligence Committee with Adam Schiff, who happens to be running an Impeachment Inquiry.
Yeah, not a coincidence at all. Guilty as can be!
November 8th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^
The Slate story got posted last night before Jordan was placed on the Committee.
You basically took my little glance at the general slimy nature of politics and decided to use it as a springboard to to defend a guy because you can't separate him from his political views. And then you call me a "pathetic fool" to boot because I apparently swiped a glancing blow at your political views.
Nobody asked JoePa about his political affiliations, nor did I think anyone cared. Maybe you shouldn't either.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^
I'm not the one who inserted a politicians' name in an article and then say no politics. You pass this article off as meaningful material, even though it's a "he said, she said" article.
Word of advice, never believe in coincidences, especially in politics.
November 8th, 2019 at 4:04 PM ^
[Edit: oops I read the wrong username, turns out he is the OP so ignore if you already read that part of my comment]. You made it about politics.
November 8th, 2019 at 5:08 PM ^
I can separate Jordan from his political views. I dislike the latter. I do not know Jordan himself so who knows about the former. I can scratch my head about the timing of this latest accusation. One thing time has taught me is that everybody who makes it politics has skeletons. And these skeletons are hoarded by opponents for use at the most damaging moments. Upon first "reveal" whether these skeletons are real or not is in the eye of the beholder. Hence their great value at moments like this. Why would any decent but imperfect human want to swim in that pool?
November 8th, 2019 at 5:29 PM ^
Anyone who follows the DC political circus knows that Jordan was going to be placed on there, and knew that as of Wednesday (Jordan's interview Wednesday saying it was up to the ranking member but that he'd love to do it).
Absolutely political and you know that.
November 8th, 2019 at 8:11 PM ^
Of course it is political. Jordan has proven very effective at staving off very credibly and incredibly provable claims of presidential abuse of power. It is remarkably unfortunate that he would use his obvious political talent for such a destructive purpose, but nobody can question his ability.
Schiff is going to be a handful in those hearing, though. It is clear he honestly believes he has a moral obligation to do what he doing and he is full guns blazing right now.
Popcorn ready.
November 8th, 2019 at 4:02 PM ^
Now you've made the political discussion explicit, rather than the humorous reference in the OP (not condoning the sentence in the OP). You did the very thing you called out because you have the exact same (well, mirror image I guess) bias: you think it's okay when it's your side and you're just joking sarcastically about the other side being obviously a bunch of idiots or some conspiracy or whatever-the-fuck.
The point is the rule is NO politics, not "NO politics except my snide little comment right after calling out someone who disagrees with me for insulting my politics"
November 8th, 2019 at 4:28 PM ^
I haven’t been following the story much, but the story linked in the original post does cite at least. 9 people who said Jones knew
November 8th, 2019 at 2:52 PM ^
Jim Jordan is a hack. I hope that doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities.
November 8th, 2019 at 4:08 PM ^
It gets harder and harder to not violate the "no politics" rule these days especially when it seems like the vote counts show that we have a more conservative readership here than my personal views. Which is fine, to be clear. Because being a conservative is not necessarily being supportive of the current state of things.
November 9th, 2019 at 5:44 AM ^
"More conservative readership", ha not even close. Maybe on this thread but overall it is quite the opposite by a large margin.
November 8th, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^
Sounds like there is a lot more to come. LINK
An investigation this year found more than 177 former Ohio State University students were abused by a former school doctor over a 17-year period, but recently filed lawsuits allege there were far more victims and more severe offenses than the findings by the independent law firm that conducted the probe on behalf of the university.
“That barely scratches the surface,” said Ilann Maazel, a New York-based attorney who’s part of a legal team representing more than 80 alleged victims. “One hundred and seventy-seven is a tiny fraction of the number of people who were abused by this man at Ohio State. That’s becoming absolutely obvious.”
Also, your quotes probably should have simply been around the world "respected." He is objectively a congressman from Ohio.
November 8th, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^
Fuck Jim Jordan
November 9th, 2019 at 1:43 PM ^
Triggered
November 8th, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^
Saw something on this earlier and meant to follow up before the Chase Young story took up all my time. (I will have to make up for this lack of productivity later, oh well).
The OSU story implicates a member of Congress only because he was apparently part of the coaching staff at the time it happened. Athletes reported the abuse and the coverup sounds almost MSU/Nassar level. One guy went to Dr. Strauss for a broken fingernail or thumbnail and was told to take off his pants. Instead of complying he yelled and left the room and reported the incident.
Just like with Nassar and his enablers. The truth can't stay hidden forever.
November 8th, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^
The OSU story implicates a member of Congress only because he was apparently part of the coaching staff at the time it happened.
Yes. Thank you. But knowing how things are, this point will be muddled.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:08 PM ^
It doesn't matter anyway, I was just trying to keep the no-politics thing out of the thread, because this story should be told and it keeps getting worse. Hundreds of victims apparently. And OSU was busy shredding records while pretending to investigate.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:12 PM ^
A rational discussion on this is border-line impossible.
It's a lot of "he said/she said." And any discussion as to the merits of "he said/she said" gets deep into "well, you just like/don't like Jordan because of his politics" very quickly.
Barf.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:16 PM ^
A Penn State fan brushing something off as only "he said, she said"? How perfectly "on brand" of you.... :-D
November 8th, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^
PSU 2011 - there were reasons for charging and arresting Spanier and Curley. Which is what happened.
What exactly are the reasons for possibly charging or arresting Jim Jordan here?
I definitely don't like Jordan as a politician - or a person. But I do think it's just "he said/she said" at this point.
I'm a believer that God sorts all this stuff out in the long run anyway.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:26 PM ^
If the Big Guy or Gal really does exist, I have lost faith in his/her tendency to "eventually" deliver justice...
November 8th, 2019 at 5:42 PM ^
Amen, brother! Likewise!
November 8th, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^
I don’t think anyone mentioned charging him with anything. I think the big deal with Jordan (as opposed to others who were involved in this scandal) is that, regardless of one’s political beliefs, a person who will keep quiet about such things is a poor choice for an elected representative.
November 8th, 2019 at 3:26 PM ^
I didn’t read his username when I read the post but my first thought was “oh, just like Sandusky and Nassar were ‘he said she said.’”
It seems that people now believe that “reasonable doubt” means that there was no DNA evidence or recorded confession. Inductive reasoning is dead.