OT: Wolverines, painted on destroyed Russian BMP.
It seems somebody in Ukraine, is a fan of the movie Red Dawn. Destroyed Russian BMP (Armored Personnel Carrier) gets Wolverined.
Full story here:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/45153/destroyed-armored-vehicle-in-ukraine-gets-the-wolverines-from-red-dawn-treatment
Red Dawn reference?
WTF? Did you not read the OP?
My bad, didn't see the OP, just saw the photo.
I guess this would be a good time to repeat my comment from a week ago:
Another reminder that it is a good idea to at least skim through the post before commenting on it. Avoids all sorts of embarrassing incidents.
What did you expect? It's the internet. People prefer to jump-to-conclusions before taking in all of the relevant information.
this is bad ass!
Love it 🇺🇦
i would proudly display this in one of the farm fields, or better yet, right out front. love it.
It's great to be a Ukranian Wolverine!
Seriously Fuck Russia. The world community needs to choose good vs evil. Right from wrong.
Ukrainians are risking everything to not submit.
Russia and compliant Russian people are guilty of genocide and should be held accountable.
Putin=Hitler
Exactly this...
Imagine if there is no real accountability for the mass atrocities the whole world is witnessing...what a horrible message that would send.
Say what? Human history is littered with examples of mass atrocities for which there was no accountability. World War 2 was not fought to hold Hitler accountable for the Jewish holocaust. How was Stalin held accountable for the Ukrainian Holodomor? Is Xi Jinping being held accountable for the Uyghers? How about the Hutu genocide of the Tutsi?
Those four examples are in the past 90 years. "Imagine if there is no real accountability?" No imagination required.
Great post and your point is often missed. What is happening in the Ukraine is horrible but is hardly unprecedented.
It is unfortunate that we are not doing more to help just as we failed to do in Rwanda, Syria (Aleppo is no different than Mariupol) and many other place where we were the aggressor as well. We should push our leaders to support the Ukraine but we should also recognize our own role in provoking this mess by interfering in the internal politics of a non-strategic country for the west that has a strategic geopolitical border with a nuclear superpower.
An entire generation of people have had their lives completely upended due to an avoidable conflict that is just reheated leftovers of the cold war that nobody really wanted.
...UM fan in Serbia
The selective outrage in Ukraine while there are umpteen other humanitarian disasters that have been going on for years does make one wonder what our true motive is.
Sadly, I think Ukraine being close to Europe brings it to the fore, as does the Russians being involved the way that they are.
Because I don't express my outrage to you for everything going on in the entire planet, I don't get to be outraged over this. Got it. I'm writing that one down so the outrage police can't get me next time.
There are numerous other human tragedies in the world that are either fresh in memory or still ongoing. You listed a few (Syria, Rwanda, Serbia/Bosnia/Yugoslavia) and dozens more could be added (Myanmar, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Yemen, Ethiopia, etc.)
Those instances absolutely deserve global attention as well, yet... there are a few factors that distinguish the Ukranian situation as being unique among them and (arguably) worthy of more immediate attention:
1) Unlike those humanitarian disasters, this scenario is basically a full fledged war between two sovereign nations. Not only that, but a war in which the aggressive action is all from one side (and with no verifiable "just cause" as it were).
2) While some may attribute the current focus on Ukraine as being Euro-centric (or worse, racist), the fact is that we now have again a very real Cold War style proxy conflict between Russis & NATO - but now occuring immediately on the doorstep of both entities. For as horrendous some of those other situations may be, none have quite the same potential for expanding into a far greater conflict as this now does (though still unlikely).
Uh, how about reading some history. Scores of German military officers and civilian officials were held accountable via the Nuremberg (and other trials), with many sentenced to death. Hitler held himself accountable (in his own way) by committing suicide in a bunker.
DD, to your point about the russian people, i watched what amounted to a 'man/woman on the street' interview of russian people with a journalist asking them what they thought of the invasion, taking ukraine, etc. and it was mind-blowing. the general tenor of the answers of the russians was along the lines of 'it is our right, they should be welcoming us, we'll make it better for them, its not a real country' and with a demeanor like they were answering what their favorite pizza topping was.
there was an absolute and total disconnect from the idea of invading a sovereign nation, murdering innocent people, and of course the whole 'war crimes' thing doesn't even register.
They are brainwashed.
It’s frightening.
They are carpet bombing entire cities and targeting civilians.
Propaganda still proves to be an effective tool for authoritarian regimes to control the populace.
Exhibit A: our country the last few years.
Yes and no. We at least have the luxury of alternative perspectives in the media instead of force fed narratives from the government and the threat of arrest (or worse) if you stray from that narrative.
freedom of press doesn’t prevent propaganda from existing, but it prevents the government from having a monopoly on it.
I do not know if a majority are truly brainwashed when speaking anything truthful to a reporter on the street likely results in death for you, and imprisonment for your family.
I'd have to agree. For the most part, I think the Russian people have been cowed into submission, knowing what happens to dissidents. Speak out and it could be you next. Most probably don't feel they have the power to change things, anyways.
geek, i was trying to glean that from the interviews but i really mean it that they all seemed to be truly almost 'laissez-faire' about 'of course we're taking their country and killing them, we can do what we want'. i did not pick up any vibes of some underlying 'toe the party line or go to the gulag' fear. might've been there but i didn't see it.
There are portions of their society that hate this war and are afraid to speak up.
However it seems like a significant portion of their population is loyal to the “cause”.
They are not getting all of the information or choosing not believe what’s getting through to them or they just don’t give a shit about killing people.
I sincerely hope that everyone on this board is pushing their respective elected leaders to do everything in their power to help the people of Ukraine fight off these cruel invaders.
Obviously there are numerous other ways that we can help individually, but it seems to me that the best way is to convince our government(s) to get involved as much as they can (without officially fighting the Russians directly, of course). There is still far too much foot-dragging and - as we are seeing - it is giving the Russians a degree of confidence in their attacks and the civilians are the ones paying the price.
Definitely. I was kind of hedging on being in favor of sending the heavy stuff. (Tanks, planes, anti-ship missiles, etc.) But after the Bucha massacre, to me the gloves are off with the Russians. Send the Ukrainians what they need now to drive those bastards out of their country.
I'd take it one step farther. I have a bit of a neoconservative streak in me, in that I think our diplomatic and economic policies should be actively in favor of freedom around the world, and anti-autocracy. Not to invade Myanmar or anything, but things like tax policy that favors investment in democratic nations and punishes investing in autocratic ones. In this case Russia has chosen to fight a war between good and evil, and Ukraine is fighting that war on behalf the democratic West. We owe Ukraine a debt in that regard and we should pay it in war materiel and rebuilding after the war is over. I'd say send them not only what they need to kill every Russian soldier in their country, but enough to deter and defend against any future Russian designs on their land as well.
Definitely. I was kind of hedging on being in favor of sending the heavy stuff. (Tanks, planes, anti-ship missiles, etc.) But after the Bucha massacre, to me the gloves are off with the Russians. Send the Ukrainians what they need now to drive those bastards out of their country.
This is why I am my user name
Story checks out.
Red Dawn is set in Colorado and their high school team's mascot is the Wolverines. I was actually disappointed to discover that it wasn't set in Michigan as I'd assumed, as I didn't note this when I originally saw it. Probably because I was drunk and high with friends when I first saw it, because it was the middle of the fucking 80s.
Likewise...
Go Blue!
And Yellow!
I don’t have anything to add to this, but it might be the first time my avatar actually relates to this board… so I feel obligated.
Forgive me.
I just purchased the shirt below. Can someone make the tank image into a shirt and add to the MGoStore?
Edit... To be clear, my intentions would be to purchase and wear the shirt in support of Ukraine, and not just to display a "cool photo."
THAT is a great idea!
Wolverines have been known to kill bears...pretty ominous if you're Russia.
Yup. That made me smile. If they wanna take a bite out of you, make sure they choke on it.
That original red dawn scene with the paratroopers landing outside the history(?) class, and then the teacher walking outside... Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought that I would have spent time reading about the VDV (Russian paratroopers) and their Prague philosophy (rapid assault by VDV to topple leadership).. as part of daily news. Prob how much of the world felt about having to learn about spike proteins.