OT: Why No Brady Hoke Coaching Rumors?
I realize this may be stupid, but I'll lead with my chin and ask: With so many college head coaching positions available, why is Brady Hoke's name not brought up at all? Has there been anything mentioned about him in recent weeks, or even months in the media? I risk missing something obvious but am concerned I'm not and my worst fears on the subject have been realized.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:41 PM ^
This should end well...
December 1st, 2015 at 2:44 PM ^
It's a legitimate question, because Brady will coach again. I think the best answer is that he will not be a candidate for any of the top jobs, so once the carousel opens up the 2nd and 3rd tier gigs, you may see Hoke's name bandied about. Places like Memphis or even Toledo may be where you see Brady eventually connected.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:49 PM ^
As a Toledo native, and a sort of secondary Rockets fan, I'd prefer to not see Hoke here. If the Rockets have to accept their fate as HR for power 5 jobs, I'd rather have a young guy with a big upside coach them for a couple years than a known, somewhat-bruised, commodity. Different story if I had a crystal ball and knew if Hoke had success he'd stay put for a bit.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:56 PM ^
Maybe Hoke has such a bad taste in his mouth from Corporate Brandon that he would prefer to be a lifer at a smaller school. Steve Fisher is a great example of this in a way. Fisher's demise was his own fault for, at best, using the "ostrich approach" to boosters buying players, but he has done well for himself at SDSU.
Hoke could give a directional or city school stability if he is tired of "climbing the ladder" and wants to just settle in. The MAC may be a great landing place for him.
December 1st, 2015 at 4:27 PM ^
in comparison to Jim Harbaugh and his staff through player interviews, that I have read on this blog, is that under Hoke they did not know why one player played over another, they never knew where they stood on the depth chart, and they were never taught the correct techniques.
That is a pretty poor testament for a head coach on any level.
Add to that, Hoke never was a coordinator. The only non coordinator I know that made a successful leap to head coach was John Harbaugh in the NFL.
December 1st, 2015 at 4:43 PM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 4:49 PM ^
John Beilein
December 1st, 2015 at 5:32 PM ^
Jim is a hands on guy who is engaged in the details. He's engaged in every coaching role on the team. He wears cleats, fergodsakes*. (Yet he has the rare ability to float effortlessly between head coach and detailed position/player coach.)
*It is a Hoke thread, after all.
December 1st, 2015 at 5:48 PM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 4:30 PM ^
Toledo usually is a offense first, wait we have to play defense too kind of place. UT puts points on the board to no end. Don't know if a defensive Hoke would be their ideal coah. It would be entertaining to see the reaction of all of my friends in Toledo who support OSU/UT.
December 1st, 2015 at 6:02 PM ^
Given Hoke's name is complete mud in Michigan and Northern Ohio, I'd think that Toledo wouldn't exactly be enthusiastic about hiring him as the optics would be terrible. I think if he goes anywhere it's somewhere to be a D-line coach or a Mt. West type school.
December 1st, 2015 at 7:24 PM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 11:58 PM ^
He did not win enough games - certainly not enough BIG games - but his name isn't complete mud.
He treated his players well. He runs a high class program. I bet lots of the high school coaches are still happy to work with him. Players who are not heading to Top 25 programs will get a high character guy with good connections.
As far as the 'optics' go, 'former UM football coach' is a pretty easy sell for a much smaller program.
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December 1st, 2015 at 6:23 PM ^
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December 7th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^
I think it's a legitimate question too. If you compare what he did at Michigan to what Muschamp did at Florida, I think it's safe to say he may be a better HC than that guy. Also consider the talent left for Muschamp vs the talent left for Hoke. And Muschamp already got another power 5 HC gig.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 5:43 PM ^
I think the OP just answered his own question.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:42 PM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^
And most of the firings have come at Power 5 schools. Once those vacancies are filled, I assume you'll hear his name come up for the smaller schools.
One shot in the dark possibility: Les Miles hires him for his staff since there are rumors of a big shakeup on his staff. I don't know how Brady would assure any boosters, but I could Les giving him a shot at least as a D-Line coach.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:31 PM ^
Hoke hasn't been a coordinator as far as I know. He also was pretty close to Carr, who isn't the biggest Miles fan.
I am guessing Hoke's next coaching gig is as a head coach. He seems to really love coaching and loves the kids he coaches. It'd be cool if he could land a P5 gig, but if not, working through a MAC school again would be a good fit as well.
December 1st, 2015 at 5:23 PM ^
need to have been a coordinator to be a D line coach, which he has been at numerous stops? I agree the fit probably doesn't make sense at LSU but D line coach seems like an ideal gig for him at a P5 or NFL team if he didn't get a head coaching shot at a lower tier school.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 8:48 PM ^
Orgeron is also one of the best recruiters in the country.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^
...he's just preoccupied sleeping on the couches of assorted ADs.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^
The first person to make a smartass comment receives a boot in the ass.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:47 PM ^
too late
December 1st, 2015 at 3:05 PM ^
You don't have enough boots.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:46 PM ^
Thank you for the laugh
December 1st, 2015 at 2:44 PM ^
What, specifically, are your worst fears?
December 1st, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^
more qualified candidates UM could have hired in January 2011.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:15 PM ^
I don't know if it's fair to look at Hoke's status now and draw conclusions about his desirability in 2011. He now has his poor Michigan record on his resume, whereas back then he'd only coached Ball State and SDSU. IIRC, he was rumored to be a candidate for the Minnesota job before they hired Kill.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^
There is a BIG difference from being considered the automatic chosen one for a Michigan caliber job and just being a potential candidate for a 2nd/3rd tier B1G job.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:39 PM ^
I agree. I'm not arguing that Brandon's pursuit of him, and halfhearted pursuit of Harbaugh, made sense. I just wouldn't compare his reputation now, after the Michigan fiasco, with how it was in 2010.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:38 PM ^
But I think there were at least 20 names "wished for" on this blog and other sites that came before Hoke. If you include the NFL guys, realistic or not (ie. Gruden), it probably pushes Hoke down the list quite a bit, well below 20.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:49 PM ^
But if we're talking about coaches we legitimately could have hired (and not just guys we wanted), I'm not sure how long the list is. Other than (apparently) Harbaugh and Miles, I'm not sure who else was out there.
Which is why, of course, an AD should plan ahead for these things before pulling the trigger on the previous coach. I remember thinking at the time that "the Process" was a way of hedging the Harbaugh bet by keeping RR as plan B if Jim wasn't coming. Whoops.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:12 PM ^
Everything! Dogs, Dutchmen....the gathering darkness......
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December 1st, 2015 at 5:26 PM ^
would be my guess.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:45 PM ^
I don't think P5 schools will touch him and most of the discussion is, understandably, about them currently. When those vacancies are filled (as some will inevitably be by people moving up from the mid majors) I think you'll see his name be brought up for the G5 group.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:45 PM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 3:08 PM ^
Lane Kiffin wont leave the warm bosom this is Nick Sabin
December 1st, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^
Sorry, warm bosom of which Saban?
December 1st, 2015 at 4:34 PM ^
Yes. Can we get a picture of the more attractive Saban's warm bosom?