OT: What are the most annoying homer takes?

Submitted by TyWheatley6 on December 13th, 2022 at 2:52 PM

What homer takes do you find the most useless and annoying?  Leading in to the OSU game, I noticed a ton of takes focusing on the following..

  • OSU has  plays saved for  Michigan (I'm sure M emptied the playbook the week prior)
  • Michigan only beat Maryland by 8/Illinois by 2 (let's just ignore OSU's worst performances)
  • Michigan played a weak schedule (OSU played in the exact same conference, but I guess ND makes it so much better)

This isn't unique to just OSU, but what "talking but saying nothing" takes drive you crazy.

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WindyCityBlue

December 13th, 2022 at 2:54 PM ^

The majority of the fan base defending Brady Hoke for some reason.  He's a horseshit coach and for some reason gets a free pass because of our blind homerism to "Michigan Men".

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goblu330

December 13th, 2022 at 3:36 PM ^

I'll do it.  I think that controversy was overblown.  To begin, I cannot defend him being in the situation due to how awful the team was.  That was on him.  He was a horse shit coach and that team was really bad.

However, he had just made a much anticipated quarterback change.  Going back to Gardner in that situation basically meant he had just played his last card and it was a 3 of clubs.  I understand his hesitation to make the switch back.  

Remembering the game clearly, the initial calls for Morris to be pulled were because he was playing poorly, not because he was hurt.  He had taken a couple of hits but nothing too drastic.  It was clear had some kind of lower body/ankle issue going on during the last drive.  When he got hit on the targeting play (a bad hit no doubt), it was not clear whether he wobbled due to the ankle injury or due to the hit.  To this day I still cannot tell.

By then the announcers are going nuts, but he played one more play after that sequence before being taken out.  That's it.  And when he went back into the game it was due to extenuating circumstances and he handed the ball off and went back out. 

The rage went from how bad Michigan was playing and was funneled into that one particular issue.   Brady Hoke was a disaster at Michigan and that was the final straw, but that sequence, taken on its own, was overblown.

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grumbler

December 13th, 2022 at 4:11 PM ^

When he got hit on the targeting play (a bad hit no doubt), it was not clear whether he wobbled due to the ankle injury or due to the hit.  To this day I still cannot tell.

In Fourth and Long Bacon says that Morris told him that it was his ankle, not a concussion.  And Hoke tried to send in Russell Bellomy, but Bellamy had lost track of his helmet.

Hoke can certainly be criticized because he sent Morris back in when it was not yet clear that Morris had not suffered a concussion, but the taking Dave Brandon's claim that Morris suffered a "possible slight concussion" as evidence that Hoke sent in Morris with a concussion is misreading the facts.

Hoke is a decent coach, but only at lower-level programs.

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Eng1980

December 13th, 2022 at 4:31 PM ^

If you re-watch the game, you can see the team physician/neurologist talking to Shane on the sidelines after the hit.  It is the same neurologist that talked to the press later.  The idea that Shane was in danger is for the uninformed.  Bellamy not having his helmet is little mentioned but a strong indicator that the coaches weren't doing their job.  The next-guy-in wasn't ready to go in and that is a problem.

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DennisFranklinDaMan

December 13th, 2022 at 7:27 PM ^

It's chaos on the sidelines during a game, and I've always heard that Brady Hoke simply did not see -- in the moment -- what the rest of us saw (ad nauseam, no pun intended) on TV, over and over, in slow motion. 

I don't know, man. His ex-players always loved Brady Hoke, and everything I've heard said he's a good, decent man, and a really popular coach. I'd need more than that one isolated event to believe he was as soulless a man as the accusations here would have him be.

He seemed overmatched at Michigan, but damn, people are so quick to decide other people are evil.

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TeslaRedVictorBlue

December 14th, 2022 at 9:36 AM ^

Not sure people think he's evil. 

To play devil's advocate, Paterno "didnt see" things either.. and i dont believe that is a legit defense in his case. Not the same situation, in terms of gravity and impact, but still.. "I'm the boss - I need to run the show. The buck stops here. I'm the guy the runs this." often turns to.. oh, i didnt realize.. i didnt know... nobody told me... very quickly when things go bad.

But, even if he knew but felt compelled to put morris in, i dont think that makes him a soulless evil man. I think he was out of his depth and made bad decisions - we're just arguing about how bad those decisions were

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greatlakestate

December 14th, 2022 at 4:40 PM ^

I know Brady Hoke personally (but not well)  I know people who DO know him well-- the one thing I heard repeatedly about him is how much he cared about his players. 

Loyalty is a trait we tend to admire in anyone besides football coaches-- being unwilling to fire assistants who aren't making the cut is one area Coach Hoke struggled-- much to his detriment while at Michigan.  

He seems to be a good defensive coordinator and head coach at lower level program.  There's a lot of plates to keep in the air in top football programs such as Michigan-- most people can't do it.

 

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Booted Blue in PA

December 13th, 2022 at 2:59 PM ^

ohio fans for the last 20 years:  just because you won from 1900 to 1910, ancient history, we beat you now, ancient history doesn't count...   but we also owned you guys in the 80s and 90's.  them: that's more ancient history.

ohio fans now:  so you won the last two, we've owned you for 20 years.....   

how about that ancient history doesn't count thing??

 

 

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Njia

December 14th, 2022 at 5:28 AM ^

This is 100% correct. As many have pointed out, B1G fandom is zero-sum; you root for your team to win and all others to lose except in a few exceptional circumstances. And if you could root for both MSU and OSU to lose when they play each other (or for the meteor strike at midfield) you would.

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UMForLife

December 13th, 2022 at 3:00 PM ^

Didn't Mullings pass the ball? It seems like the play they saved up.

I would rather live in homer world now as opposed to the BPONE world I lived in for over a decade. Homer takes don't annoy me anymore.

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FrankMurphy

December 13th, 2022 at 3:00 PM ^

Wait... are you referring to our own fanbase's homer takes about Michigan, or our rival fanbases' homer takes about Michigan? Your title seems to suggest the former, but your post only mentions the latter.

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Glennsta

December 14th, 2022 at 7:38 AM ^

As far as OUR bad takes that I discount quickly, to me, there's "The referees/conference/commissioner/everyone else hates us." Bad things happen in life/sports/football and they're almost never the products of vague conspiracies of which we are the hapless victims.

As far as bad takes from outside the fan base, I don't get too torqued up over what others have to say about our teams and programs. The most common shit-talking from others always seemed to be that we live in the past and we deflect any current problems by harping on our past history of success.

The college football message boards, blogs and sub-reddits were full of this ... until about 13 months ago

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LSAClassOf2000

December 13th, 2022 at 3:36 PM ^

I never understood that one. It always seemed to me that Michigan being the state's flagship university and an institution known the world over opened it up to MORE scrutiny, in fact, and for occasionally lesser things, or at least lesser than what it might take to arouse curiosity at other schools. I tend to believe the "blue wall" thing is simply more evidence that some fanbases, particularly that of MSU, simply feel burdened in often unfounded ways. 

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gbdub

December 13th, 2022 at 6:30 PM ^

It’s not a “Blue Wall of Defense of Michigan” it’s a “Gray Wall of Indifference to Sparty”. Michigan gets more coverage, good and bad, because people outside Michigan actually give a damn about the program. Spartiates filter out the bad coverage of Michigan and point to all the neutral and positive coverage as proof of pro-Michigan bias. That, plus their own incredibly slanted view of what’s neutral leads them to invent the Blue Wall. 

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VintageRandy

December 13th, 2022 at 3:06 PM ^

I mean if we’re talking about other fanbases the entire site of 11W is completely insufferable. Ramzy tries to copy the Brian Cook / Spencer Hall irony-prose and does a poor job of it because he doesn’t offer the excellent analysis (Brian) or pure humor (Spencer) of either. The entire site’s analysis is basically “We will win everything because we are the best, and we are the best because we win everything”. When they lose it’s not even charitable; Ramzys breakdown of The Game was basically “fancystats don’t mean anything, we should’ve won because it felt like we had the upper hand”. Just complete feelingsball horseshit all the time with a legion of mouth breathing homers echoing “f*** scum!!!!” in the comments. 

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Vasav

December 13th, 2022 at 5:20 PM ^

my favorite part of this arguement - you take away M's 5 biggest plays and we only got 10 points. What if you take away OSU's 5 biggest plays?

Hell, I'll answer. Off the top of my head they don't get their second half FG, or their second TD.. In 2 plays I took them down to 13 points. Now looking at game charts,, and their long FG after the first CJ TD was fed by a 24 yd run...I took them down to 10 on 3 plays. They didn't have any big plays on their non-scoring drives, but they had 18 and 19 yard passes on their opening drive - one on 3rd and 1. I feel pretty comfortable saying without those 2 plays, OSU goes down to 6.

Take away both team's 5 biggest plays and OSU still loses because they are worse at football. Truth hurts.

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Team 101

December 13th, 2022 at 3:07 PM ^

“Yeah, I'm completely upset about it ... I think to get $100,000 fine — the suspension of a player is fine, but to get a fine like that and then the other school gets reprimanded, what the hell does 'reprimanded' mean?”

Tom Izzo

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