OT: Tigers Cabrera BS
From UMHoops twitter:
http://detnews.com/article/20091005/SPORTS0104/910050376/Police-pick-up…
(and another from the freep and I won't link it) but wow... Cabrera IMO should get dumped after the play-offs and traded away because obviously he didn't really give a shit about winning the game
October 5th, 2009 at 10:44 AM ^
Reports are coming out that he was partying with the White Sox at the Townsend.
http://blog.mlive.com/cutoffman/2009/10/reports_miguel_cabrera_parties…
I wish I was making this up.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:48 AM ^
Which is why I didn't link it cuz it's ya know the freep. Thanks though for the link that is no-freep
October 5th, 2009 at 10:57 AM ^
I don't think partying with the White Sox is a problem. I'm sure he has plenty friends/country men on the team.
We probably shouldn't be to quick to jump all over the guy if he has a drinking problem. If that's the case hopefully he can get it straightened out.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:48 AM ^
Knee jerk. He is our best offensive player. He fucked up. He has comparable numbers to A Rod at the same age. If we dump him because of this then we are not making our baseball team better.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:49 AM ^
Hmm... As, His Dudeness, says. I don't really agree with dumping him. All that does is give some other team an outstanding player for below market value. He'll play great for them for the next 15 years and all we will have is our moral high ground.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:50 AM ^
Meh...I'm sure he wasn't the only Tiger out that night with the White Sox, he's just the one who people found out about.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:54 AM ^
Cabrera's "Most Similar By Age" list on Baseball Reference:
Ken Griffey (957)
Hank Aaron (931) *
Orlando Cepeda (927) *
Frank Robinson (920) *
Hal Trosky (901)
Mickey Mantle (891) *
Andruw Jones (888)
Al Kaline (887) *
Ruben Sierra (879)
Albert Pujols (875)
Yes, this is definitely a guy you want to trade away.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:54 AM ^
Cabrera has said that he wants to be like Babe Ruth, but Babe Ruth would have hit a homer or two after a night like that.
October 5th, 2009 at 10:54 AM ^
win. I think it's inexcusable to do that.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:00 AM ^
Maybe he wants to play, win, and get his drink on?
October 5th, 2009 at 11:03 AM ^
After you've locked up going to the playoffs. And if you don't make it you have all offseason to get your drink on.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:08 AM ^
you do realize we'd be like 5 games back right now if we didn't have cabrera
October 5th, 2009 at 11:17 AM ^
It's always about the bad, never the good up to this point whether we're talking Cabrera or the football team.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:17 AM ^
we wouldn't just be minus cabrera...
October 5th, 2009 at 11:47 AM ^
and unless you get pujols in return, you have a player who isn't as good as cabrera.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:56 AM ^
That I have a serious man-crush on Albert Pujols. In my mind, everything he does is gold.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:29 AM ^
More like 10. They guy is a great talent and we all know that everyone kills and steals... and gets their drank on while in a playoff race.
October 5th, 2009 at 7:10 PM ^
The problem is that he had a .26 BAC at 6am or 7am (the report doesn't say what time he was given a test, only that the cops showed up at 6am and released him at 7:30am -- the test was given somewhere in between). The body can only process alcohol so fast -- .015 per hour I believe. So if you start with a .26 at 6am or 7am and subtract .015 every hour he still had somewhere between a .065 and .08 BAC at 7pm, gametime. Personally, I'd rather not have my ballplayers borderline legally drunk right before an important game.
But I guess "getting your drink on" is cool at all times, right?
October 5th, 2009 at 11:23 AM ^
Fraternization rules are old and outdated. As any amateur athlete who has competed against friends knows, it's all off once the game starts. If anything, you want to beat your friends more because of bragging rights.
Maybe Cabrerra should say he was sacrificing himself to get the Sox drunk and gain a competitive advantage. I'm sure that would make a lot of people feel better.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:31 AM ^
But next time can the bat boy do it against the Twins? Or maybe some non-starting starting pitcher (I'm looking at you Bonderman)
October 5th, 2009 at 11:30 AM ^
The yankees should go back in time and dump Mickey Mantle, his hard partying lifestyle obviously will cause him not to live up to the hype.
Note: Not saying Cabrera is going to be Mantle, and I'm not saying I'm not pissed that he was out til 6 AM the night before one of the biggest games of the season, but the idea that we should dump him after the seasons he has put up in detroit is ridiculous, even if him being out late with a .26 BAC is a regular occurrence.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:37 AM ^
Cabrera is obviously a young, rich guy who can still hit the ball a ton. I would prefer to not see him out until 6 am, but as long as he hits .300 with 30+ home runs all is good. Go Tigers
October 5th, 2009 at 11:48 AM ^
Umm... what the heck people. Dude went out drinking, came home smashed, and had a fight with his wife.
If we dumped every person who'd ever done this from their job, EVERY MAN IN HISTORY would be unemployed.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:01 PM ^
is different than mine... But a .26 is not just going out and having a good time. A .26 is almost dead.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:12 PM ^
A .26 is not "almost dead." Yeah, it's an absurd amount of alcohol, but alcohol poisoning for a hardened drinker doesn't set in generally until somewhere around .35, and athletes tend to metabolize alcohol much more quickly than the average person.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:12 PM ^
Did he turn up in a hospital with severe alcohol poisoning?
Did he vomit all over a bunch of police officers?
If he were out all night, figure, 6 hours, and did indeed spend some time passed out at a bar somewhere, and was not eating nor had anything else to ramp up his metabolism, he would have done about 10 or 11 2 oz shots of 80 proof alcohol to get that drunk.
I did worse than that in college and went to class at 9 AM.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:49 PM ^
A .26 ain't shit if you're a real man.
I bet half the Tigers' clubhouse was out partying that night. NEWSFLASH: these athletes are young, have money, and like to get fucked up just like everyone else. And they ALL do it.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:12 PM ^
The staying out late drinking and fighting with his wife is a personal issue, so as a fan I'd worry more about the part where he was partying the night before another game with opposing players during the most important series of the year. However, I have a feeling the team will address it since, ridiculously good of a player as he is, he's not the Barry Bonds type that the team is afraid of pissing off. They can't let their best hitter be a distraction in the middle of a playoff race, and I think they'll handle it.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:18 PM ^
Miggy is far and away our best player, and they couldn't get near full value for him if they traded him because of this. Even trading him under normal circumstances would be insane when he's under contract for awhile. Athletes go out and make mistakes, just like everyone else. Let those without sin cast the first stone, or something like that.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:19 PM ^
"Cabrera IMO should get dumped after the play-offs and traded away"
Words can't describe how fucking stupid this idea is. Good god, I either want to hit you or cry.
October 5th, 2009 at 1:14 PM ^
for hitting him. There's no crying in baseball.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:29 PM ^
Cabrera is the main reason the Tigers below average offense this season wasn't WAY below average. He is an awesome hitter (in my opinion, the 3rd best in the majors behind Pujols and Mauer). I don't care if he goes out with players of other teams after games and "fraternizes."
That said, he went 0-11 with 12 men left on base in the last series of the year when the Tigers needed him most. He had some of the weakest swings I've seen him take all year. If the reason was he was too drunk/hangover to play at a high level, that's extremely disappointing.
He gets paid enough money (eight-year, $153.3 mil extension) that he needs to play his best in all 162 games. And beyond the money, just making sure he's doing everything he can to help the Tigers win.
If he wants to come out, look everyone in the eye, and say he prepared and gave his best those last three games, that would be good to see. But I doubt he could say that.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:41 PM ^
Well, nobody would argue that it wasn't stupid, nor that he's WAYYY to highly paid to let himself get caught in such idiocy, but it's certainly not reason to can the guy.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:53 PM ^
Don't forget he is still quite young. I would be more disappointed if it was Maggs or Polanco that did something like this. Luckily it seems that no one was seriously hurt from his stupid decisions. Let's hope that he learns from this and moves on.
Even thinking about trading him for this is beyond stupid.
October 5th, 2009 at 1:13 PM ^
Guys, I'm not saying "can" him or trade him based on this incident. I'm just saying how very disappointing it is. It seems, based on these stories, he was not remotely prepared for a HUGE three-game series when, as everyone acknowledges, he's their best offensive player (by quite a bit).
Also, I have a problem with "he's young." He's not a sophomore in college. This is his 7th full big league season. He's closer to 30 year old than he is to 20. He's a grown-man with grown-man responsibilities (to his employer, his team mates, his fans - and I'm leaving aside his family, which is a whole other discussion), and it shouldn't have to be said he should act like it.
October 5th, 2009 at 3:47 PM ^
And I think the issue is, on the biggest weekend of the season is it really the time to be partying until the early morning hours? (Keep in mind as well that the Tigers played a day game on Sunday.) I don't think it's too much to ask the guys to be all business when the whole season is on the line. Maybe it's Leyland we should wonder about. Is he running too loose of a ship?
October 5th, 2009 at 12:36 PM ^
I wouldn't trade him or release him, but if I'm Leyland/Dombrowski I give him a strong talking to. Obviously a lot of MLB players get smashed before games on a regular basis. Heck, David Wells pitched a perfect game while he was hung over. At the same time, when your team is in the midst of historically choking away a playoff spot, you probably should take it easy on the boozing.
October 5th, 2009 at 12:37 PM ^
First off, clearly we need Cabrera if this team is going to do anything in the next couple of years and trading him would be foolish. However, this would incident was just idiotic. Coming home drunk at 5 AM, waking your daughter and then getting into a fight with your wife isn't the kind of story I want to hear about the best player on our team.
But besides all that, am I the only person that finds it humorous that it was Dombrowski that came to pick him up?
October 5th, 2009 at 12:46 PM ^
Cabrera leads the team in every single significant offensive statistic. He's young, he does stupid shit. You can make a case for him as MVP (eventhough Joe Mauer should win it.) Would you rather have Brandon Inge as your four hitter?
October 5th, 2009 at 1:01 PM ^
What is this talk about trading him away? Damn man, we don't even know the details of the situation. If he did behave irresponsibly, I say perhaps bring him off the bench in the Tuesday game at most. Go Tigers.
October 5th, 2009 at 4:41 PM ^
we should trade bouje
October 5th, 2009 at 5:03 PM ^
he's like the robert lang of this message board. we couldn't get anything in return...we can only hope our GM doesn't offer him a contract when he's a FA and he goes and toils away in Montreal or something...
October 6th, 2009 at 1:14 AM ^
After this thread I completely agree. However, I think his no-trade clause kicked in at 1500 mgopoints. Somebody start a thread about Myron Rolle and Florida St.
EDIT: Bouje is back below 1500
October 5th, 2009 at 8:42 PM ^
what do you really think we would get for him?
October 5th, 2009 at 9:31 PM ^
I wouldn't trade Bouje for all the tea in China, his thought provoking insights are the fuel on which this blog runs.
October 5th, 2009 at 11:16 PM ^
What about for Tibet?
October 5th, 2009 at 11:31 PM ^
I guess DD stands for "designated driver" now, right?
In all seriousness, trading or getting rid of Miggy would be DUMB DUMB DUMB.