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OT- Thoughts on Richard Sherman interview
I loved it. So he talked shit about Crabtree...big deal; it's football. People who are outraged by this are the ones who contribute to the wussification of America, which has become a serious problem.
Respect is now called wussification? Interesting, seems to me the lack of respect is what's wrong.
I don't care about class and respect when it comes to certain sports. Winning is all that matters. If you (I don't mean you in particular) can't handle shit talking, don't play or watch sports. What about fighting sports? UFC and boxing have so much shit talking, but no one seems to make a big deal when it happens there. Oh, but football is sooooo sacred in this country and anyone who talks shit about another player or team just ruins the party. So lame.
I might actually feel sorry for Stanford this morning. Which would be a first.
Not replying to any of the above, just surprised there's no embed on this for those of us who only saw it live once.
(FWIW, I think that Richard Sherman sounded like a dope during the interview, which is a shame because he's a really smart guy who happened to get caught in the heat of the moment after the biggest play of his life. Sherman plays an extremely intelligent game, and seems otherwise like an intelligent guy. This interview made him seem ... unsmart.)
Don't you think part of that is because football is a "team" game unlike boxing and UFC which also have only about 20% of the viewership the NFL has too, so naturally people won't care as much.
I think that invalidates any and all opinions you have right there.
Actually after UFC fights, opponents often show a great deal of respect to each other, even if they talked shit beforehand.
Crabtree pushed him in the face when he tried to shake his hand. He doesn't owe him any respect after that.
Right...Richard Sherman was just being a good sport when he slapped Crabtree on the ass right after that game winning interception.
Please tell me you really believe that...
I do believe it. He talks all game long then turns it off when the game is over. I've seen him do it all year. No one else has pushed away, though.
He had totally "turned it off" when interviewed after the game...
Does it hurt?
That was handshake was meant to try to say, "I'm better than you in every way." He got exactly what he was trying to get, which was for Crabtree to over-react and get a penalty.
Had I been calling the game, I would have thrown a flag on both of them (he's not supposed to be gestering to the opposing team) and had them offset.
You know that's what he meant? Didn't know we had mind readers on the blog.
Yet you're doing the same exact thing...
Sherman was the one called for the penatly
I had the opposite reaction. He completely embarrassed himself and will probably regret these comments when he grows up a bit. Now, instead of everyone talking about what a great corner he is, we're all talking about what a jackass he is instead.
are the ones who contribute to the "wussification of America." Acting like a jerk and basically throwing a fit makes him look more immature than my three year old daughter. Which is okay, I guess, if that is the look you are going for.
of America is a lazy and overplayed meme. This is the same country of speak softly and carry a big stick, an attitude that is over 100 years old. Taking an idiotic rant by a steroid pumped football player and linking that with any sort of softness in the American spirit is ignorant and simple minded.
Or put in more simple terms you may understand and suits your attitude. I'm the best poster on this blog. When you try me with a sorry poster like BlackOps2ForLife, that's the result you're going to get. Don't you ever talk about me... Don't you open your mouth about the best.
Ah yes I remember a prideful local minute man Matthew Remington III during the Revolutionary war state" you gone come at the best minute man in the world? When you come at the best minute man in the world with a sorry, yes, sorry military like England that's what you get. Don't talk about me."
To which Paul Revere quivered "who was talking about you?"
"The King!" Shot back Remington.
'Twas a different time 'twas a better time.
People forget this all just entertainment, and Sherman was entertaining as hell. Lighten up, people!
Verlander has spoken:
So Russell is a class act! Sherman on the other hand.... If he played baseball would get a high and tight fastball.
— Justin Verlander (@JustinVerlander) January 20, 2014
Yes, because threatening someone by throwing an object at 100 mph that could literally kill him is SO much better than talking and morally correct.
Give me a break.
Yes because a high and tight fastball automatically has to hit him. He could just brush him back? Regardless probably not the right thing for JV to say.
Oh I agree it certainly wasn't the right thing to say but my point was that a high and tight fastball doesn't always mean he's going to bean the guy, it could be a case of brushing him back to send a message. All that said, it's still dumb and dangerous.
What planet are you on that trash talking at the wrong time doesn't lead to tempers flaring that doesn't lead to occasional physical violence? Sherman is setting a horrible example for kids. When your son pulls a Sherman and you have to go pick him up at the hospital for the black eye he receives, be sure to continue encouraging him to trash talk since it doesn't lead to killing or maiming anyone.
you do realize that just one mlb EVER has died from getting beaned in the head. and that was way before batting helmets.
is one of the most pansy, pos, classless, stuid, annoying, anti-swag things that anyone could do.
"OMG you were talking shit about me, i'm gonna throw this ball at your face. so HA!"
Let's stipulate, in the age of Twitter, that technology and social networks have allowed us to see exactly how dumb many high-profile athletes (and movie stars, rappers, other celebrities) really are. Irrespective of race, creed or color. Twitter is brutally effective in exposing the stupidity of many of its popular authors. And by no means should we limit this phenomenon to celebrities. There are lots of stupid people. Many of them seem to be on Twitter.
than have no access to it.
only problem with that is a lot of people intentionally troll on the internet just because they can, so it isn't always a perfect method of judging people.
yes, yes, yes, 100% yes. people are waaaaay too PC these days, where is the fun in that?
I'm not getting where the fun was. Don't mistake common courtesy with being overly PC. There's 10 more guys on the damn field. Not only that, the guy had like 2 tackles and that was his only pass breakup. There were better cornerbacks on the same field that night, just thank your team and move on.
and if the safety gives up on that play, there is no INT right?
2 pass break ups because they didn't throw his way. Stats alone can help tell the story but not the whole thing without reading into some of them. He's good, real good. The last play alone, not many can make that play as he did.
No opinion on the whole shit talking matter, but Sherman is a great player.
Richard Sherman is the best corner in football and was the best corner on the field last night. The 49ers treated him like Deion Sanders and just avoided whatever side of the field he was on until that last play.
I am just curious why everyone here is all butt hurt that he had a Darius Morris moment. "Get the F@#@ off my court!" He is far from a thug, even though he did grow up in Compton and has dreads and for a few moments was a load black man. He is not in need of media training, I will point to that Stanford Communications degree for that. He is cocky, he is arrogant, and he is the BEST corner in the NFL.
Ya know, that's a pretty good point. I guess D-Mo didn't say it directly to camera but how is that not worse than what Sherman did? I'm honestly fine with both "actions" I guess, and if nothing else I just don't care enough to give the 8 billionth opinion on the matter and pretend it means something.
Standard take on class from a COD fan.
You really think the way he acted was classy? Wasn't thuggish but definitely lacked class. The only fan base I can think of where they wouldn't think that was classless is Ohio State. Bit, even my Buckeye friends thought he showed no class.
IT'S FOOTBALL AND HIS TEAM IS GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL. Sheesh. I'm not trying to put you down or anyone who agrees with you, but I just don't care about class when it comes to rivalries. If you win, you are allowed to talk shit and that's all there is to it.
like an idiot when you go to the superbowl? does manning celebrate like this? russell wilson? acting like a jerk is definitely never classy - self control and controlling emotions are what seperates boys from men, literally.
Wilson and Manning are the QBs and faces of their franchise. They know not to do that. Also, I don't think talking junk is "celebrating like an idiot." It's sports. Shit talking, especially in rivalries, is part of the game. I don't know why anyone is shocked at what this guy said.
we are talking about whether his actions were classless. I don't think his actions were thuggish - I think most everyone will agree with that, but acting like a spoiled child after a big win...I think that is definitely acting like an idiot. You could argue Richard Sherman is the face of the Seahawks franchise - seeing as he is the best CB in the game today.
Shit talking, especially in rivalries, is part of the game.
It has become part of the game, in recent years/generations. It never used to be part of the game. It used to be the rare exception. Because intelligent, mature, serious people who did things like fight in world wars, or survive a depression, and who had real jobs, understood where sporting events rated in life. And what sports could mean for society, when done right.
This "shit" (your word) is representative of a decline in values. Probably not a big deal by itself; caring little about the NFL to begin with, this is not a thread that I would have initiated. But since you commented, I was happy to respond.
I agree with Section 1 on something!
the era of sports before integration...
Now I didn't bring any racial element to this. You did, so I'll ask: Do you think that Richard Sherman, as an African-American, should be beyond criticism for this episode? Not that I'll settle on either side (pro- or anti-Sherman) as being necessrily superior in this context; but do you think that it is out of bounds for discussion?
And since you racialized it, do you think that Richard Sherman was expressing some essential/core element of black culture? Some of the racist comments on Twitter that Deadspin must have spent hundreds of man-hours collecting seem to demonstrate that among the rudest and least civilized backwaters of racism, the bigots thought that yeah, that's just a black guy being a black guy. Mark it down as Reason Number 1,987 to end Twitter.
Are you suggesting that they are correct in identifying the issue, but just wrong in condemning it?
I'm beginning to think that this thread (one that I have already said that I wouldn't have started) won't last long.
should be beyond critcism because he is black, i think he should be beyond criticism because i don't see anything wrong with what he did. he expressed his true emotions in a moment when the media was hoping to elicit the exact reaction that he gave. i also don't see anything wrong with trash talking, and i don't think a person is any worse of a person for talking shit.
and here is the subtlety (follow closely): yes, his actions embodied much of what black urban cutlure is all about--freely expressing yourself. being loud, being proud, being rude, and not giving a fuck.
the difference between my reaction to that and people's reaction on twitter is that people on twitter think it's bad and i am totally fine with it and think it is awesome.
is that confusing? i don't think so.
that a group of peoples who tend to be loud and boisterous is more indicative of being poor than anything else. if you look at hispanics, poor white people, poor brits, they all have different ways of being loud, opinionated, etc. etc.
race exists and it will not be going away. It is ok for tings to be about race.
but actions and culture are way more influenced by environment than by some genetic predisposition.
my point is that differences between blacks and whites are an undeniable fact, but the two problems come in when people assign one characteristic as bad and another as good, and also ignore the fact that the differences are born from social differences rather than genetics.
The completely non-biological social construct called "race" exists, yes... because we created it.
It's purely a human social construct though, with no biological validity.
But it is one of the most racist things I have ever heard.
You think being black is freely expressing yourself, being loud, being proud, being RUDE, and NOT giving a fuck. And you think it is awesome.
The only confusing thing is how you don't seem to realize how offensive you've just been to a particular race, even though you prefer those qualities.
to stereotype. i find it racist to dislike something just because it is different from the established norm.
if you don't think that the majority of urban, inner street black kids embody those traits, you're lying to yourself. the why of it has more to do with being poor and neglected by society thus leading to an attitude of no-fuck-being-given than having any inherentness to being black.
the problem is these people's actions are judged by white society and labeled as bad, classless, and thugish. the problem is not that these actions exist.
"Being lound, being rude, not giving a f!#@"
This isn't an acceptable part of any culture. I don't think that we should allow any excuse for allowing these actions/lack of values. There are certain things that are right and wrong, and being rude and not caring about others is WRONG. For all people
this is where we part ways. You say that Sheman is acting loud, rude and not giving a fuck. But you also say you have no problem with it. Seems odd to suggest its okay to be loud and rude, essentially condoning bad behavior.
But moreso, it seems odd to argue against criticism of Sherman for acting loud and rude. It seems logical to me that folks would condemn someone for acting loud and rude
Was that you were glorifying a time period in sports that coincided with some serious problems in sports. That you presented a gilded image of a morally superior time when the underlying metal was tarnished with sins of all kinds, including racism of embarrassing breadth and depth. I dunno. I'm just guessing.
To answer your question, though, I think it is fair to criticize Sherman for this episode if you think he violated some unwritten rule of decorum. I'd disagree, but it's not beyond examination. However, many people reacted in a racialized way, which we SHOULD all agree is ridiculous. The guy was too loud and assertive in an interview. This would not correlate to "thug" as strongly as was seen without a healthy dose of... shall we say 'racial subtext.'
As for how far Deadspin had to look, they published that article like 30 minutes after the interview. It didn't take hundreds of man-hours. It took MAYBE a couple, and consisted of a simple search for "Sherman n*****" or any of the other horrible things people literally said to Sherman.
It has become part of the game, in recent years/generations.
Your whitewashed view of sports is amusing, but terribly misguided. Sports has been filled with just as much vile crap as the rest of society for a long, long time. Ty Cobb was a complete jackass and a virulent racist. Fielding Yost had some well-documented issues. Muhammad Ali talked more trash than Richard Sherman could DREAM of talking. "All-American Boy" Mickey Mantle was a drunk and a man with many character flaws. The "survived world wars and depression" athletes you spoke of weren't exactly kind to Jackie Robinson and had plenty of kind words for him on the field (and that sets aside the hundreds of elite athletes they relegated to the Negro Leagues for decades).
The difference is that in the past, the media ignored this stuff. Now they exploit it for fun and profit. Football trash-talk didn't originate with the invention of the parabolic microphone.
EVERYONE was a racist back then! you can't judge them to be classless if everyone was classless. it's like, relativity, man.
Generally, I agree when people look longingly at the "good 'ol days" but (directionally) I think Section 1 is correct and you're wrong.
I mean, using Ty Cobb is an example? He did not "talk trash" for show (which is what Sherman did). Cobb just straight up hated people and acted accordingly - denigrating blacks and punching out handicapped people. Cobb (to my knowledge) didn't go up to a reporter and exclaim how he was tired of being disrespected by Christy Mathewson and was glad to finally get a chance to shut him up.
While Mickey Mantle was a drunk, what does that have to do with Richard Sherman? Did Mantle go up to Mel Allen's radio show after beating Brooklyn and yell, "I am tired of all the haterz on the Dodgers! Don't ever try and sneak a fastball by me!" Nope.
And Ali is a perfect example -- he stood out in the mid-60s / mid-70s precisely BECAUSE he talked so much trash. It stood out. It was quite unusual. Same thing with Joe Namath -- he stood out.
Trash talk on the field has probably been around since the Olympics (the original, BC version). But acting like Sherman did off the field, in the media, on a regular basis? That's (with a few notable exceptions) a modern invention.
You see more of it in the media these days than you used to... but that's because of the media. Shining a light on something doesn't make it appear. It just makes it visible where once it wasn't.
Point of fact, Ty Cobb WAS a trash talker: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-07-16/sports/0607160097_1_robin-...
Ted Williams was a trash-talker: http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2013/04/04/book-review-facing-ted-...
The entire Babe Ruth 'Called Shot' incident was ABOUT trash talk, and was itself part of the trash talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth%27s_called_shot
Stick a mic in The Babe's face after that homer, and take a guess as to what he would say.
They are pacifists. And you're comparing a post-game press conference-type interview (which Sherman ALSO gave, quite calmly and eloquently) with an interview conducted RIGHT THEN. Like, literally moments after play concluded. And THAT's what's new. They're putting mics on guys on the field and aiming dishes at Peyton Manning yelling OMAHA 37 times. We have more access, not more trash-talk.
Besides, my point was more to Section 1's original point that trash talk was never really a part of sports until the recent wave of whippersnappers, because previous generations fought large wars and therefore respected the respect.
"And you're comparing a post-game press conference-type interview (which Sherman ALSO gave, quite calmly and eloquently) with an interview conducted RIGHT THEN."
Nah - his post game press conference CONTINUED the d-baggery:
"Sherman left the field, put on a sportcoat and bowtie, and came right back at Crabtree in the postgame news conference. He called him mediocre. Twice.
"Med-i-ocre," Sherman said, enunciating every syllable as if he was chewing on something rancid."
Those links don't matter b/c I agreed -- "Trash talk on the field has probably been around since the Olympics (the original, BC version)." That's heat of the battle stuff, which I don't really care about.
My point is it is now common (though Sherman was extreme) to talk junk after the game. While there wasn't Twitter or MGoblog back in the day, players had scores of reporters following them -- print, radio and TV. If they wanted to denigrate their opponent, live and unfiltered on the air, they easily could have done so.
For Sherman, the game is over. You won. Show some class about your oppenent, or if you can't do that, just don't say anything at all. B/c beyond his Crabtree comments and his fake, passive aggressive "good game, buddy" butt slap, he made the choking sign -- all of which were pathetic on his part.
*Edit - just saw your comment. Again, it was not JUST his post-game remarks. He made the choke sign and taunted Crabtree. Besides, it's not exactly uncommon to give a post-game remark on the field. Most don't act like Sherman (though a few do).
I won't argue with you as to whether some form of "trashtalk" existed privately and quietly among players in the golden ages of American sport. I certainly won't argue the point that I never raised, which is that racial attitudes in sport as well as society have evolved in the past 100-plus years.
What I will argue about is the fact that it wasn't celebrated, or even tolerated, the way it is now. The simple fact is that there is now 1000% more trashtalk on the field and in sports telecasts than in years past. This simple fact is undeniable, for anyone who has followed Michigan athletics from the 1960's to today. Michigan football and basketball players are not the worst trashtalkers in sports; but they are some of the worst in the Big Ten Conference, and more than anything is the profound change that it represents from past decades.
And we really don't need to pick on Michigan; that's not the point. It is just my own metric, having attended most of Michigan's home football games during that time period, and having seen lots of basketball games live during the same time period.
Our collective tolerance for trashtalk and even perhaps the appetite for it (in some quarters) seems to have changed.
It would be one of the first questions that I would pose to Brady Hoke if I encountered him in a public Q-and-A. "To what extent do you think on-field trashtalking is inconsistent with your understanding of the notion of something special about 'Michigan football' which is a near-constant them of yours in public speaking?"
how much shit talking was or was not invovled in early 20th century sports because there was no micing people up, there were no immediate postgame interviews, etc.
if i had a time machine, i guarantee you those fuckers talked their fair share of shit.
"It has become part of the game, in recent years/generations"
Thanks for stating what I already did.
okay blackops, time to sit out a couple of plays.
To me the difference is when and where the shit talking takes place. If you want to talk shit during play on the field, go right ahead. It happens all the time and even the most respectful person can get caught up in the heat of competition. The game was over (by a few minutes) and Crabtree was no where around. I think that is the big difference.
That's all easier to do when you don't have someone push in the face when you try to shake his hand. So he was still emotional when they pulled him off the field for an interview. I have trouble feeling any outrage over this. In fact, I hope Sherman backs it up and shuts Crabtree down in both games next year.
You're right Crabtree did something bad so Sherman should probably stoop to his level right? Nevermind he already did his talking on the field by WINNING THE GAME. Laugh off a poor loser and move on to celebrate with your team.
you mock a poster as a mind-reader for interpreting Sherman's initial interaction with Crabtree as not heartfelt, yet you are so so certain that Sherman simply wanted to shake his hand--and have said so more often than you need to here. You have no better idea what Sherman was thinking than the person you questioned. And I'll throw my support behind the insincere position, cuz:
1. you shouldn't approach the vanquished immediately after a loss--bad manners alone
2. everything Sherman said and did afterwards belies your interpretation
3. Sherman never said he was angry because Crabtree dissed him when he tried to shake his hand.
I'd bet my life that you're under 30. If not, god help us all.
Then you would die if you bet that.
I've got enough popcorn here to watch your point total dwindle into the negative.
Oh no! My point total! That is just so important to me.
You say that, but yet you continue to make new accounts after you eventually get caved for making fun of the women's bball team or just being a negative nancy all the time. So yes, you do seem to enjoy your point total to an extent that you don't like it being the red...hypocrite, thy name is you?
You haven't followed him long enough then, he likes to tell people all the time he's 31. Or at least that's what his previous alias' would do.
He could've acted like he's been there before, but instead he acted like he thought he was God or something. Guy only had maybe 2 tackles all game. It'll be real funny all the shit talking he did about being the best when Payton torches their team for 40.
Not for nothing but he only had two tackles because the 9ers only threw his way 2, maybe 3 times.
At the big house. Playing in a rivalry is not an excuse to act like an idiot.
I thought it was awesome. Nothing like getting a players pure reaction in the heat of the moment.
The best thing was how regal he was in interviews after that one. The Stanford education really shined through, and I couldn't help but laugh at all the "thug" comments that were made.
Edit: seems I was beaten to the punch. Oops.
Entertaining but sounded rehearsed
How? I didn't get that feeling one bit. That was not planned one bit.
That rant was too flawless to be genuine, if it was not hereased he probably would dropped a few f-bombs and n-bombs like players do on the field.
I don't believe that. He has no idea that was going to happen, so how can it be rehearsed?
You want to know what WAS rehearsed? This one:
Sherman is a loud mouth tool. The highlight of his that I enjoy most is when that OL from the Redskins jacked him in his fat mouth after the game.
Flash in the pan...next please.
I don't think "jacking" someone in the face (it was really more of a slap-push anyway) is an appropriate response to smack talk. That 'Skins OL was the bigger child in that encounter.
So you think someone running his mouth is a tool, but when someone "jacks" another guy "in his fat mouth," you love it?
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Nothing hypocritical about it sweat heart. People like you make me sick. Talking shit like Sherman does is a bitch move, you're attracted to it because you're probably a bitch too. That guy from the Redskins blasting him in the mouth was the polar opposite if what Sherman does.
I'm kind of interested to see just how low your point score goes after this comment.
According to his interview, the Seahawks won solely because he's the best. It had nothing to do with the prior 3.99 quarters or Smith's heads-up play to be in position to catch the deflection.
If this was an interview after a win in week 6, then I probably wouldn't care. But after clinching a trip to the Super Bowl you'd hope that any teamate would spread the wealth a bit.
You know what, I agree. Great points. I think he might have taken it a little too far - seeking out Crabtree immediately after the play, choke sign, interview rant with Erin, and another shortly afterward. But overall cocky and fired up would be more accurate descriptions. Thug? He didn't swear, or say anything inappropriate. He just yelled. I've never made the game winning play to make the Super Bowl, but I think I can understand where he's coming from.
Not much different than the Bart Scott "CANT WAIT" in my opinion. Funny moment, and Richard probably let his emotions get the best of him...but not a thug...nowhere near it.
So, people who swear are thugs? Well shit, I better stop posting on this fucking blog because I am a thug now.
He would have been on live television in front of millions of people, including a lot of kids. You're only visible to a couple of readers on this blog. Big difference.
But he didn't curse so it's all well and good.
BlackOps, there's about a million other reasons why you should stop posting.
Bart Scott didn't call out another player against whom he just competed in the same way Sherman did to Crabtree. He also talked about his team, not himself in the way Sherman did. No class on the part of Richard Sherman. No one asked him if he was the best corner in the game.
Man was just telling it like it is.
For the death of the carriage return.
You can still hit return on the iphone and it will put in a return so I'm not really sure why posting from a phone makes a difference.
As for the post - eh, he's an NFL football player, I've long since stopped expecting them to act like normal people.
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It is football. You just made the play of the game to get you into the Super Bowl.
What do people expect when you interview someone a minute after the game? These guys are so amped up, I often wonder why we do not here more of this.
I especially like that it is getting all the stuffy guys worked up.
I thought, wow, what a clown... Then after putting it into perspective, we don't play every snap that they do... And watching Boldin and Crabtree against the Panthers, then seeing this, I would venture to say Crabtree (and quite possibly Boldin too) were giving Sherman crap all game and Sherman finally snapped when he knew he made the play to defeat them. After all the other interviews, he seemed pretty calmed down... Either that or Carroll slipped him a Valium to calm him down
Sherman is an elite talent no doubt about it, but he perfectly embodies the typical NFL athlete today. The days of Barry Sanders handing the ball to the ref are over and it's a sad state of affairs.
There was no "days of Barry Sanders" there was just Barry Sanders. Do you remember how much smack Deon Sanders talked back then? Michael Ivrin?
It wasn't just Barry though, Jerry Rice was just as humble. While Deion and Irvin talked quite a bit I don't ever recall them calling out a single player after the game. Now I could be very wrong on that last statement but like I said I don't recall them singling out one player in an interview.
There are classy players in today's NFL as well. Calvin Johnson is arguably the best WR in the game and he is soft spoken, classy, and consistently gives his teamates the credit for success. Or how about Manning and Brady, two of the best QBs to ever play the game and act the same way. There are a mix of classy and classless players in all sports, the classiness of the NFL today isn't all that different from the 80s/90s.
Deion Sanders or Michael Irvin of being classy.
I remember lots of folks calling Michael Irvin a thug back in 1996 after the drug arrest and the witness tampering.
For the record I'm pretty sure he said, "If you open your mouth, I'm gonna s*** in it." I think that shaded it towards unclassy for me.
I believe he said: "Crabtree. Don’t open your mouth about the best or I’m going to shut it for you real quick!”
I heard shut it, but I'll have to see it again now.
How would people on this board feel if he played his college football at Michigan?
I'd be embarrassed and hope that Hoke wouldn't let him talk to the press until he graduated.
I would love it, he is really good!
I'd love it.
I'd probably be more upset about it. Because people could talk shit to me about it and they'd be absolutely right to do so. Dude embarrassed himself, hopefully he learns from it.
I, for one, would love to invite him to my next office meeting. He'd Terry Tate-ify the joint.
Though I must admit, I cracked up because I thought he was giving the shoutout to LL Bean, not LOB.
The next time I'm interviewed , I'll do something similar: BIG EDDIE'S BIG AND TALL!
This comment is fantastic.
Thought he looked like an idiot.
In the ultimate team game, all he could talk about was some kind of perceived slight to his self-proclamation of being the best. Grow up already.
As for those labeling him a "thug", that is dumb. But it certainly wasn't a "classy" move on his part.
All of that said, I would love to see an interview if he gets torched by Payton for the Superbowl-winning TD - that would be priceless.
Dude just played the biggest game if his career, then they shove a microphone in his face.
You'd be emotional too.
Honestly, I don't think he cares about our opinions.
Considering the level of discussion and reaction that this has generated, I'd expect him to get post-game mics shoved in his face all the time, now.
I frankly expect this story to be huge, in what is without any doubt at all, the worst week in sports in America: the Super Bowl preview week. There is nothing so non-newsworthy, so completely void of import, and so self-indulgently naval-gazing, as the Super Bowl hype week.
And in all of that, this "story" will fit perfectly.
People will suggest -- rightly -- that if I hate the NFL and the Super Bowl so much, then just turn it off and don't watch. And yes, that is exactly what I will do. I generally watch about zero complete NFL games every year. I watch parts of maybe a half-dozen, and I see the highlights that we all get exposed to via ESPN, etc.
I don't watch the NFL. I don't have a favorite team in the NFL; I pay only enough attention to know how select Michigan players are faring in their new profession. And I feel wonderful about all of that. I make it my business to see to it that the NFL gets no more of my money than is forcibly extracted from my cable bill, and no more of my attention than is pure coincidence.
I really expected you to launch into an "I don't even own a TV!" somewhere in there. We get it, you're a hipster.
also played the biggest game in his career at the Sugar Bowl and he was super emotional, too. Just for comparison.
Did he embarrass his team with his comments? Denegrate an opposing player? Scare a nubile young woman just trying to make it in the world (this part is hyperbole).
No he did not. Emotion is one thing, having some self control entirely another.
Do I think that, at later moment, RS will look at the video and say "****, I could have played that a bit more chill"? Sure. Do I think that his actions were, taken out of context, pretty embarrassing? I could see that argument.
All that being said, I can't believe how sanctimonious some people are being on this board.
First of all, his response was GENUINE (and, I might add FRIGGIN entertaining). Not some talking points cut from the Crash Davis school of media engagement, but something that reflected a guy in the moment who was passionate. It's the same reason I find Harbaugh FUN (in an annoying way, but still) because he is all into this without pretense or window dressing.
Second, how many of you who played and or follow sports have not had thoughts like those that RS had in the moment? This **** talking happens all the time on the field with the majority of players, though many learn how to shield it from the media.
---Crabtree called him out the week before (a mild one, "not the best cb in the NFL...") but still called him out.
---You don't know what was said during the game to set Sherman off (see: Zidane, Z.).
This has been brought up a ton. And yet this happens every year numerous times where people are interviewed after winning a game and this doesn't seem to happen constantly. Does this mean all those people cared less than Sherman did?
with the way black people celebrate. Or call it ambivalence. We can't really decide whether we want to punish people for doing it creatively, celebrate it, exploit it, join in, whatever. But it's a real thing.
Personally, I think you just draw the (non-racial) line between meanness and unsportsmanlike dissing of others, limit it so it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game, then shut up and accept it. Who cares if some old middle class guy doesn't approve? Well, the money does. But if sport and spectacle don't provide some mildly transgressive possibilities, people will get their bread and circuses elsewhere. . . and the NFL knows that, too.
I find this comment offensive. Calvin Johnson, Barry Sanders, Lebron James there is tons of black athletes who handle themselves with class and on the flip side sports is full of classless white athletes like the kid from Ole Miss or Bill Romanowski, Laimbeer, McEnroe etc. White player does the same thing last night and he is just as hated.
If you don't think what Sherman did last night wasn't classless you don't understand what it means to have class. As someone trying to raise a son that's something I point to as the wrong way to act regardless of the situation. I grew up idolizing the Bad Boys I get it, it's fun. Playing sports and I didn't always exhibit class it's not easy. But I don't think it's a bad thing to celebrate athletes that exhibit class when it's not easy and root against those who don't.
because they aren't from compton and they aren't black!
richard sherman is definitely not being looked at as classless in the eyes of the people he grew up with. and that's not because the people he grew up with are inherently classless, it's because that is who they are.
additionally, you do start to see more and more young white kids embodying this culture. case in point: nik stauskas. everyone loved it when he was yelling "I run this shit" after hitting that dagger three.
That was in very seconds after the play when emotions are extremely high. He wasn't still yelling it post-game. That is a HUGE difference to me.
some people stay amped up for longer than others. that's just human differences. some people work hard to keep their emotions in check. other people try hard to keep them in check but fail. other people don't try at all. personally, i don't see what the big deal is about people showing their emotions.
additionally, sherman may literally have adhd and was taking adderall to suppress that.
"case in point: nik stauskas. everyone loved it when he was yelling "I run this shit" after hitting that dagger three."
I see a definitie difference between:
A) I'm great.
2) I'm great and my opponent sucks.
If Sherman had limited himself to A (as Stauskas did) - I'd think it was a little over the top for a professional, but no big deal.
I take the denigrating of an opponent, outside the action of the game, in an interview to be the big and bad difference.
you are wasting your time and energy, IMO. His rant was dumb, I agree. And I'm trying to raise a thoughtful kid myself. Gallant, generous--any of those things Sherman's comment was not. And Erin Andrews' reaction was appropriate. What I'm objecting to is the notion that this makes Sherman a thug, the over-the-top response.
the way black people celebrate
Do you not realize how racist this statement is? Many black people do not act like Richard Sherman.
That yellow-blocked phrase right there... Wow! Shouldn't ever surprise me, though. As long as the races have been mixed together in this country, neighbors still can't seem to understand that everybody whose skin color is similar to that of the next man or woman doesn't carry himself or herself the same... For every Sherman, there's a rod woodson. For every Gary Payton, there's a Walter Payton...
where success as a professional often requires accommodating your actions to the confines of established social norms.
but in the average compton, inner city chicago, etc. etc. neighborhood where a lot of black players grew up?
it's really my opinion that ascribing an action as being indicative of a culture is not what is morally bankrupt here; it is denegrating the action for dubious reasons.
I found it a little over the top, but entertaining.
I hate him. Talks shit when he wins but blames the refs when he loses. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/09/sherman-expected-blowout...
Is an integral part of the game for me in terms of fan entertainment.
I would pay for an NFL-R channel where they mic up every player.
To me, pro sports are like reality TV. If you're looking for class there, I don't know what to tell ya.
If people are concerned with class so much, they should watch golf.
NOTE: I love shit talking in football and other sports, but still love golf. Now, golf is a game that I don't think shit talking needs to be in. That is absolutely a gentlemens' game, which is why Sergio Garcia got so much shit (OOPS...there I go swearing again...I'm such a thug) for his comments about Tiger Woods and fried chicken.
Actually, if there was alot shit talking on the course then I'd probably watch the hell out of golf.
I think that was Fuzzy... not Sergio.
I didn't watch either NFL game.
I did watch the Humana/Bob Hope tournament.
I'll happily watch the Phoenix Open rather than any Super Bowl hype. I'd probably watch the replay of the Euro Tour event on Golf Channel, rather than an NFL game including the Super Bowl. If there were any Michigan guys playing in the Super Bowl, I might reconsider.
Strangely enough, Forbes had an interesting perspective on this (LINK). In the list of brief thoughts that writer Tommy Tomlinson goes through here, there are a few things that he points out that are insightful about the situation, I think.
One of the more interesting points is something that I believe is the case - we chide athletes for what seem like canned quotes, and then you get a moment like this an people decry it as "classless". It might have been a little overdramatic (and calling out individual players isn't the most tactful thing to do perhaps), and I am not the biggest Richard Sherman fan, but if I am the sideline reporter, I would say "mission accomplished" with that moment admittedly.
Spraking to that, Tomlinson indeed points out that moments like that interview are essentially what the media wants to get from athletes, that initial reaction. Tomlinson also seems to call out people for going on about this interview but very little being made of the repeated showings of Bowman's rather grusesome injury.
Humorously, he does mention the moment when Sherman called out Bayless on his own show, so there is that.
Anyway, it's an interesting read that makes some good points.
I, for one, am sick and tired of coaches giving 3 word answers to reporters' questions and players giving cliches during postgame. The reporters are there for a reason, and that's to get an inside view of the game on the field. Well, Erin Andrews got exactly that. Don't complain when you get exactly what you want.
I'm sorta on the fence about it. I actually like Richard Sherman. Yeah he tends to run his mouth a bit. He is one of the few who runs it and backs it up on the field with play. You can't argue with success and results are in the numbers. #1 pass defense in the NFL. That accolade is not an individual effort though.
So, do i think his onfield play warranted that reaction or justified it in the interview? Maybe. What needs to be understood is actions or swear words aside, you are a representative of the entire NFL organization. This game is broadcasted on a local channel and there are millions of kids watching. Do you want your kid to idolize Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman?
That being said, emotions were running high and he made a game winning play. I don't think telling Crabtree he is a sorry receiver was justified but given the situation, i think i will give him a pass unless this type of action starts becoming the norm for him.
The way I look at it is you should always win with class and always lose with class. Sherman did not do that, he just made a fool out of himself.
I found it very entertaining and that's the reason I enjoy watching TV. He was amped up from just making the play of the game to send his team to the SB. Not sure why some people are acting like they are so personally offended
I have a love-hate relationship with the thing. Maybe it was right, maybe it was wrong, who knows. I was entertained and off-put simultaneously for a few seconds, and in ten years it won't matter.
As usual, Deadspin is all over this...
He's playing a part, getting coverage, causing all of us to endlessly worry about how his behavior holds up to other standards from bygone eras. The game is played at such a high level, at such intensity, that it's hard for us to understand sometimes...
And for what it's worth, I just fell even more in love with Erin Andrews, because she asked an actual follow-up question, deviating from her script in order to ask about something he said...
I thought it was funny - by far the most interesting post-game moment. In fact the only interesting one. Also, Erin Andrews handled it impressively well.
I thought it was hilarious, but I also thought he looked like a douche.
I think what he did after the touchdown was worse than the interview...don't put your hands on someone.
Who wants to see him get clocked by a Redskins lineman?
I have no problem with trash talk during the game. but to call someone out personally, by name, on national tv after the fact was pretty classless in my opinion.
When Harbaugh has been saying in interviews that Crabtree is the greatest pass catcher in the game, and a guy makes a game winning stop against said guy to go send his team to the super bowl, i expect him to be a bit jacked up.
Was it over the top? Yep. Did that fact bother me or change my opinion of him? No.
Emotional, just contributed to the game winning play, first time in the Super Bowl, perpetual "us against the world" mentality, apparently ongoing "rivalry" with Michael Crabtree, deep seated dislike for the 49ers. The media is largely interested in "real" unfiltered reactions - and they got one.
By the headlines I thought he said something...you know, actually OFFENSIVE as opposed to "I'll shut your mouth up".
I think you're more worked up than him. Relax.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore....
People did say some dumb, racist stuff. And this is just the overtly racist stuff, not the "thug"-level race-baiting.
Oh. My. God. People. Suck.
Ok Well then he does have a right to say that. I thought he was just saying that to the analysts who were criticizing him.
Did you see the comments thrown about on Twitter last night referring to him? THUG was quite prominent in his mentions...something that wouldn't have happened, at least not nearly at the rate they did with Sherman, had he been white. That's just the truth. And lets not even mention how many N's were thrown his way as well. So, yes, racism is still alive and well.
Teach there and you will hear a lifetime of the N word in one day. Racism is a two way street and yes there is plenty of it in the world.
Why yes, I actually work as a clinician for a non-prof org working in an "inner city" school. Now what is your point?
Calling someone a thug doesn't equal talking about their race. In fact, it's more racist to correlate thug and being black than to call someone a thug.
Certain words/phrases can have neutral meanings and still have serious racial connotations. Any wide receiver can be "scrappy," or "deceptively fast," but usually you're talking about a white guy. I'm reminded of Michael Scott calling Stanley "urban" all the time.
In this case, the guy hasn't done anything that would, in normal usage, qualify as thuggish. Trash-talking is not a thuggish. Gang-related activity is thuggish. Larceny and assault are thuggish. Playing within the rules of a football game and then having strong opinions about it is only "thuggish" if you mean it in the racist sense.
This is exactly it. If it was a white guy who gave that exact interview there is no way in hell that it's described as "Thuggish." People still probably wouldn't have been super crazy about it, but they would have used different adjectives—"Intense, angry, jackass"—stuff like that. Nowadays, almost everytime a person is described as a thug, it has some sort of racial background, whether or not the person actually intended it to.
I see what you did there. So now I'm the racist because there is absolutely no way people calling Sherman a thug has anything to do with his skin color? How shortsited of me!
Different situation, but I don't remember too many people calling Richie Incognito a thug during his situation. A bully? Yes. A thug? I didn't see it. Let Richard Sherman do something like that...bet it would sound a little different.
Don't worry Richard, I'd feel the same way if you were white.
I didn't care for it, but I thought Erin Andrews' response was hilarious. I don't think we'd even be talking about it if it weren't for her response.
He's an ass
I don't care. Either way. Just don't care.
IMHO, it isn't something to be celebrated. It also isn't something to be chastized. They stuck a mic in his face at the end of a long, brutal, physically and emotionally challenging conference title game. He reacted with emotion. It happens. Remember when they stuck a mic in Lloyd's face at halftime against Iowa (?) a few years back for the halftime interview? He basically called the reporter an idiot and walked away. It happens. Emotional people with a great deal invested in their incredibly intense craft will, on occasion, say emotional shit.
You can't ask everything of these guys and then get pissed when they can't flip the switch back to civilized Crash Davis cliche mode before they even get off of the damn field of play.
They do this for a living - they are compensated for it, regardless of how brutal it is.
Do you behave like this at your workplace?
Football players do LOTS of things I can't do at my job. I can't press my co-workers within the first five yards after their desks. I'm not asked to execute a zone blitz very often. And my job isn't an adrenaline-fueled mania demanding nothing but peak physical effort and performance against another human being. And no one puts a mic in my face at my most emotional moments.
What do you mean you don't press your co-workers within the first five yards of their desks? That is the only thing at work that keeps me sane.
I work under a lot of stress from the minute I get in until the minute I leave. There is a lot of pressure and lot of yelling, and a lot of money being made or lost at any given moment based on the minute decisions I make throughout the day. At the end of the day, I have to defend my gains or losses, yet, I don't berate my co-workers or trading counterparties. I don't talk about how great I am and how mediocre someone else is. Nobody does, regardless of how good or how bad things went.
I don't do these thing because I am a professional and it's my job, which I am paid to do. There is a reason why the NFL and college limits celebration and there is a penalty called "unsportsmanlike conduct." Because they don't want those things either. Like I said before, controlling emotions are what separates kids from adults, for the most part.
i honestly think the seahawks organization gives zero negative fucks about that post-game interview.
This "he'd just played a hard game" excuse makes no sense to me. Hundreds of players before him have handled the moment better. The postgame interview isn't a new thing, it just takes a little maturity.
I was waiting for a reply like this, and think you're spot on. The controversy over this is ridiculous and I don't understand people drawing their battle lines over a few words at the end of a football game (non-bigoted, violent, ect. category).
Full disclosure, I can't imagine myself reacting the same way, for whatever that's worth.
I think your visceral response to the Sherman interview kinda depends on where you fall on the young/old & black/white axis. I would guess that most older, white guys like me would be horrified by it and most young, black men like Sherman would not have any issue with whatsoever. And young white guys and older black men probably break about 50-50 in how they see it depending on their own personal bias and experiences.
For me I'm in the camp that doesnt have a problem with it and thought, while a bit over the top, it was refreshing to see pure, unfiltered emotion on display. He was excited and it showed through loud and clear. But I also have no problem if he gets it right back 10 fold from either the Patriots or somebody else because of it.
I'll say this much though. Next year's first Seahawk/49ers game is going to be "must see TV" for me at least.
lots of young white people have started embracing (or exploiting) black culture these days.
i bet if you asked nik stauskas how he felt about the interview, he would say richard sherman is swagged out of his mind.
Maybe. But I remember a couple of the student responses to this when you brought it up yesterday and they ran about 50-50 supportive/I'm outraged.
Prolly more of a scattershot graph than a linear plot line though. Look at me. I'm old, white and had no problem with it. So thee are outlyers everywhere.
back when you were in your twenties, that graph would look like a linear plot.
but now it's a scatterplot.
i call that progress!
EDIT: i actually didn't read your whole post, and you already said exactly what i was getting at.
It's more than a little condescending to hold out Sherman's outburst as an example of "black culture".
to identify something for being what it is.
it is condescending to identify something and then label it as classless and thuggish just because it doesn't fit an arbitrarily defined norm of acceptability.
Nik Stauskas is white????
For those who think he was just emotional, caught in the moment, etc. He had what 10 minutes after the play before the interview? It's not like EA interviewed him as he was running off the field after the interception. Seattle still had take the victory formation three times before the game ended, and it isn't like he wasn't queued up for the interview before he went on TV. He definitely had time to calm down and think about what he wanted to say. He chose to attack the opposing player (after already going after him after the play). This wasn't an emotional outburst. This was Sherman being childish and self-involved.
Why is Schwarz classless for his dust-up with Harbaugh, Tom Crean is classless for yelling at an opposing team's assistant coach after a game, but Sherman is just an emotional athlete doing his thing?
I don't think so. I would say he had about a minute or two before Erin interviewed him. I guess ne could get technical and check with someone that DVR'd the game to see, if it definitely wasn't close to that long.
Well the int happened with 22 seconds left the Seahawks celebrated came out and had to knee it 3 times with SF calling timeouts. It was a long time.
Plus his interview after he was showered and in his suit and tie after he time plenty of time to calm down he didn't.
I don't think he is a thug at all. I do think he is very self-centered and childish... His team is going to the Super Bowl yet it is still all about him post game. I have almost as much of a problem with this as I do with someone like Suggs just being a buffoon.
The emotion is fine and good, the fact that it is perpetually the Richard Sherman Show to Richard Sherman says a lot about the guy to me.
Those dudes are so jacked full of T (amongst other chemicals) I would think this happens more often. He looked foolish, but it was funny. Erin Andrews was shocked, but I don't think she was scared. She is a pro. I am not sure women should be on the sideline of football games (they don't have any expert opinions to offer), but she handled it well. Hilarious.
He was all hopped up on emotions and steroids.
So what about the post game presser where he's still going on about it? Is he amped up then too? He broke up the pass, the other player made the INT. I can't remember what down it was but SF still might have a chance. This is all about Richard Sherman and his ego. I hope Peyton picks on him all day long and makes him look like a clown with his receiving corps.
The in-game talking and sideline interview excitement can be excused partially to being 'amped up'.
But then after showering and putting a suit on he takes his NFC championship press conference time to belittle an opponent. Classless.
There is a right way to win and a wrong way to win. He will learn that the hard way eventually.
It was 1st and 10 from the 22.
"I'm better at life than you." Who says that.
People who are better at life than other people?
I would expect a Stanford educated professional football player would say exactly that to a professional talking head troll. And said Stanford educated professional football player would be accurate.
I hope this is a joke. No one should say that to someone else ever, regardless of how much truth may be behind it. The fact that one would feel the need to say that pretty muich invalidates the statement to begin with. I hate Bayless, I am all for someone taking him down a notch or ten, but to do so in that manner is pretty sickening to me.
The Michigan fanbase is built on that saying in regards to MSU/OSU. Hell, I have heard Michigan fans say they won't move to Ann Arbor because the people who went to U of M and live there are so snobby about it if you didn't.
the guy is a clown.
First of all he got beat on the route. the late throw got him to the ball, so im not sure what crabtree has to do with that.
.I have no problem of wit hthe antics when the game is going. but when the clock hits zero, it time to show some dignity and class. I live in seattle and the biggest problem is for me is that i'll have 35kids in the fall that want to be richard sherman.
He always says he's a team guy, but in the biggest win of your career the first thing you talk about is yourself? douche.
but I don't see anything wrong with what Sherman said. People will focus on this and will take some pressure off his team, many of which have never been to a SB. Now Sherman has to back up his talk and limit D. Thomas.
The man made a play to send his team to the Superbowl. It wasn't anything crazy like people have seemed to make it out to be.
I love smack talk during the game as much as the next guy, as a matter of fact when I played ball I talk a ton. But, was this not after the game? Was he not talking with a reporter? I didn't know that Erin Andrews was asking about what Crabtree said, I think that she asked about the play at the end of the game. I think that his response was classless and he and the team should be embarrassed. I can tell you this, if I was the owner or coach, he wouldn't have been on the podium receiving the trophy for me. I would also tell him that he can talk with the press, when he can grow up and act his age. He took one of the best performances of his career and turned it into an embarrassment to himself and his team.
Sherman is obviously a flamboyant personality who strongly believes in his own ability. I mean without his deflection that play wins the game for the 49ers. You think the fans in Seattle and his teammates care how he responded immediately after their win. Yeah, I don't think so.
The reaction from Crabtree to his remarks was just as excellent. He just called his antics made for TV. And wouldn't get into a press-created war of words, saying, he doesn't make his case in the media, he does it on the field. He said if you looked at Sherman's work all game, he only was involved in a few plays, and 49er receivers were open. "(Sherman) is a TV guy. I play ball. He knows what time it is."
Crabtree is an infamous trash talker and was jawing all game. Dude makes a sweet play to send his team to the superbowl. Are you not entertained?!
I can't believe the prudes that are criticizing this guy. And people wonder why the stereotypes of Michigan fans sitting on their hands and living in the 1920's exist.
We are not amused!
Seriously though, the man is a jerk and it isn't for that display. It's for screaming at a three time Super Bowl after beating him, for talking nonstop trash, and for generally being a poor winner.
The man is an asshole. Crabtree may deserve his verbal comeuppance, but Sherman does this to everyone. He doesn't respect the game or his opponents. If disliking that makes me
a prude I'll gladly accept the title.
Pride cometh before the fall. Methinks Messr Sherman's descent will be a rapid and painful one.
He pulled a similar stunt with Tom Brady last year.
Seems like a guy with no control over his emotions and an over developed ego. A prime candidate for the police blotter some day.
Do you really believe this reaction is only shared by Michigan fans??
And I think a lot of people...two things stood out: the way he was screaming during the interview and how he called Crabtree mediocre or weak (or whatever he said). He just made a great play that not many receivers in the league would have been able to keep him from making...that should have been the main topic, along with his heads up teammate. I never thought "thug" but I think the yelling really turned some people off.
Probably the worst possible time to interview him, but I loved it. Funny, if anything.
Those postgame one-on-ones have a formula. The reporter is hoping for the athlete/coach to say something interesting, but usually it's just a chance for the TV audience to bask in the thrill of victory. Instead of playing along, Sherman seemed like he was yelling at Andrews, or the world. He could have even been excused for gloating...witness Tim Biakabutuka's postgame rebuttal of Terry Glenn's Clubber Lang mimicry in 1995. Tim was defiant but calm and happy. Sherman seemed angry or perhaps unhinged. He could use a few PR lessons. He had a chance to be Rod Tidwell and instead came off like Ron Artest.
Or has already said it. Sherman damaged his own brand. No Peyton Manning like commercial endorsements for him.
Initially I laughed my ass off! He looked freakish and nuts, and I laughed; re-watched it and cried with laughter. I thought Erin's responses were great too. I got jumped on when I posted that opinion.
No, I don't know him. No, I don't watch Seattle football regularly. It was just my honest reaction. I have heard him speak on interviews. When I'd heard him in the past, I thought he sounded thoughtful enough and I remember that he and Harbaugh have some history. So, I took it at that moment that he was amped after a big play, and that there was some trash talking history.
Obviously, that is not behavior I want my kids to model, and I don't know if he is a thug or a good guy who talks trash--It was just initially funny. If it were me, or someone I cared about, I would be mortified at that behavior. I also thought Erin Andrews was awesome with the "who is talking about you." I'm fairly certain she's seen worse from football players.
That opinion is not popular, but it was just my initial reaction.
She couldn't quite bring herself to take him seriously, which was a perfectly appropriate response given his behavior.
I hope Jabrill brings that type of attitude on the field next year.
What Sherman did was completely unsportsmanlike. To run across the field, pat Crabtree on the butt and start jawing made me want to punch him in the balls
It made me laugh that you posted unsportsmanlike and "punch him in the balls" in the same post, just sayin..........
And has nothing to do with competing or being sportsmanlike. I don't like the dude...
He patted him on the butt then offered his hand. Crabtree pushed him in the face and that's when he lost his mind. He didn't handle the interview well, but I'm surprised that no one is calling out Crabtree for his behavior.
Please God no. That kind of behavior would be a huge black eye for the school and program.
Maybe we can bring Cissoko back.
I don't like Sherman the more I hear him talk, however I don't think he did anything that he should be in any sort of trouble for. And the thug talk I believe is coming from how he sounded not actually what he said.
edit: Who else heard Kaepernick's post game interview ? He said a few times in referance to the last play that he "saw the matchup and loved it" basically saying he will take Crabtree against Sherman any day. Found that amusing. Hopefully Sherman hears about that !
He made an ass of himself and looked like a classless egomaniac. i bet Stanford fans cringed when he made those comments. This is not the image anyone would want. He may be a good player, but i bet a lot of fans who had no favorites in the SB will now root heavily for the Broncos.
Peyton Manning is also a great player but just exactly the opposite of Sherman.
Sherman remined me of Dennis Rodman. Rodman was a great basketball player at one time but everyone hated him and the pistons because of the same kind of egomaniac out of control behavior.
I hope he gets his A-- beat by Peyton.
Do Stanford fans cringe after every temper tantrum Harbaugh throws on the sideline, or sometimes on the field and gets a penalty? Did Nevada fans cringe when Kaepernick mocked Cam Newton's celebration?
I often cringe at Harbaugh's antics. I want to like him because of his history at Michigan, but he really come off like a jerk.
On the app so I can't +1 you.
Here's a +1 from the heart.
The fact that he said he was "better at life" than someone shows who he truly is more than this interview did.
I thought it was great when he said that to Skip Bayless. It's Skip Bayless. Made me like Sherman a lot more.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Personally, I thought his outburst was in poor taste and lacking in class.
I prefer the Barry Sanders understated approach to success: Keep the mouth shut, hand the ball to the ref, and jog slowly to the sideline.
The problem with a lot of professional sports for me is all this swag bs and over the top attitude. Trash talk is fine during the game, after the game, act like a god damn professional. There is no sportsmanship anymore, just a bunch of over inflated egos and douchebag personalities. Great game last night, but that type of behavior is why the NFL doesn't grab me like it used to. This and plenty other examples (this week alone), is why I refer this league as National Felon League. For every tom Brady and Peyton manning, there are 8 Richard Sherman's.
To you and all the people talking about the Barry Sanders approach--whoever talked trash to Barry Sanders? Everybody knows that talking trash to Barry would guarantee the same thing that simply being in the game on defense against Barry guaranteed: sore or broken ankles, torn knee ligaments and epic embarrassment... The situation is different when you're a running back with nine men blocking for you and one more faking a bootleg to draw another player off you. When you're a cornerback, unless you're in double or zone coverage, it's you and the receiver in front of you. The receiver is confident in his abilities and he's going to tell you all about it when he touches the line of scrimmage. That cornerback will probably be the same way. When that happens, you're more than likely not going to end up with a Barry Sanders moment...
He has had an outstanding career and had just made the biggest play of his life (so far) in the biggest game of his career (so far) to have a shot at earning something that few people can say they've rightfully earned. I would say he earned the right to be ecstatic after making a game saving play.
Athletes talk trash. It's always been a part of the sports world. Who says that Crabtree wasn't running his mouth all night?
Considering the supposed history between he and Crabtree, and the fact he caused the play that won the game, I'm not surprised he sounded really amped. Crabtree tried starting a fight with him last year at Larry Fitzgerald's charity event, and Crabtree was talking trash about him all week leading up to this game.
I assume no one saw when he went on set with the Fox guys for an interview where he was pretty composed and funny.
The guy just beat a WR that has talked a big game, and his college coach who wouldnt draft him. People that call that embarrassing apparently dont get excited for things.
Crabtree did not have Sherman beat. He was with him stride for stride. Not sure what you saw, but Sherman had great defensive positioning on Crabtree even before they made it into the endzone.
I get both sides of the discussion. I understand how a person who is passionate about what he does can respond this way, if he is an emotional person. I do not think it is appropriate to behave that way in public, but I can see how it could happen.
I personally don't care for the personal boasting comments stating that he is the best cornerback, and belittling another player. However, I feel the same way about Crabtree's responses back to Sherman. This unfortunately is part of sports and is the definition of unsportsmanship.
I've heard comments about football being a team sport in which individualism, like what was just exercised by Sherman, has no place. I completely disagree. the situation was one-on-one, Sherman versus Crabtree. Sherman's job, within the context of the team, was to stop Crabtree from catching the ball. nobody else on the team was adjoined to his body or linked to his brain to give him an edge in that matchup. just the same, nobody heard what Crabtree had been saying to him all game during their matchups. cornerback is oftentimes a lonely job. along with wide receiver and punt returner, they have to rely on their own abilities more often than a running back or linebackers or offensive linemen, who all have more help. I'm not saying they're not team players. they're simply less alone than a guy like Sherman or Crabtree. so the cornerback against the receiver can easily transform into...a boxing match. see Woodson-boston or sanders-rison, for example. so Sherman got the knockout blow against Crabtree for the championship belt after Crabtree probably talked his ear off about how he couldn't win all game. Sherman felt slighted, won the "fight" and subsequently let Crabtree know all about it via the media in a way that would rub the loss in to a higher degree of nastiness. it wasn't an attack on the sport, the team functions, or on white America. it was an attack on Crabtree, and, really, who gives a damn? sherman didn't hurt anybody, except Crabtree...and Erin andrews' ears. Muhammad Ali did the same thing to sonny liston and that boxer--i forget who, exactly--who refused to call him by his new name. if you win, you get to talk. you become...the man, so to speak. it's similar, in a weird way to a nation that has become an empire. its people have won, so they can determine who is a savage, who is three-fifths a man, or who is a n-word. funny how entertainment, politics and history can run together...
Eh I don't know. If the LB doesn't intercept the ball SF gets a couple more chances from the 20. That play was 1st and 10 with 22 left and a couple timeouts. While he made a typical play a lot of corners make, or are at least expected to make, the LB was the one that won them the game by hustling downfield for the ball instead of doing what LBs are expected to do there.
Well, answer me this: if the linebacker was on Crabtree, as opposed to the most hated man in America today, do you honestly believe the outcome would be the same? Almost certainly, the linebacker would've been toasted for a score... Sherman made the play. The linebacker sealed the deal.
I don't see how this pass deflection had anything to do with Crabtree. Had the pass been a foot higher, Crab may be giving the same interview. Sherman was in position and made a good play on an imperfect pass. The LB who hustled the whole way is the real hero for Seattle. Instead of giving his teammate the spotlight for hustling and being around the ball, Sherman takes the credit for himself... D. Bag.
I never understood how Sherman could say that Crabtree was only an average widereceiver. Crabtree was double covered and had no opportunity to get to the ball.
I like this take on it. I agree 100. The corner did his job but the LB was the one that went above and beyond.
I feel like everyone who's saying it's thuggish never played a sport in their lives. You're going to be calm and collected moments after the biggest play/game of your life. Sherman said what he'd had said to one of his teammates to a reporter.
It just amazes me to see people get so incredibly worked up about this. It's not like he said anything vulgar.
If he can back it up, then go ahead and keep talking. Not like he called him a pussy on live TV. Crabtree talks a lot also from what I've been told, and I'm sure it was going back and forth the whole game. And he did just win them the game, so he has a reason to be able to talk some shit. Sherman did take it a little far with the choking thing though.
This is shockingly relevent.
I'm going to go the "Dad" route here - but what kind of modeling behavior is that?
"Hey, son... if you break up a pass, don't act like a complete jackass like that, ok?"
After he saw the interview, my 9 year old looked at me and said something to the effect, "Dad, what is wrong with that guy? He's a jerk. His team is going to the Super Bowl and the first thing he has to say is how great he is and how bad the other player was?"
It is very similar to me to what Crean did last year at Crisler. IU wins the B1G title and Crean's priority is to verbally accost our assistant about "ruining IU's program."
To me, that behavior is inexcusable, and revealing of a very disturbing character flaw. Not thuggery by any means, but very telling.
All I saw was a slow motion Erin Andrews wind blowing in the air. Whose this Sherman fella?
However, guys like Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Darrell Green, Reggie White, Rod Woodson, Steve Largent and about a thousand other guys were better at what they did than Richard Sherman is at what he does and they did it for longer. Even Champ Bailey was the best CB in the game for about 3-4 years. None of them talked like Sherman does. What he does is so over the top that he takes away from his what he does on the field.
I respect a guy who can be great and not shove it in everyone's face. His behavior is childish, he may play like a man on the field, but he acts like a brat off of it.
Holy paragraph Batman!
But yes, I agree - he's a loud self-centered egomaniac, but not a thug.
Don't know how I posted this twice... Android must be acting up. Dis...regard.
Thought it was hilarious. They didn't throw at him all game and when they did, he made a huge play.
I wouldn't act the same way, but if that's how he plays football, I don't see what the problem is. I'd rather watch that than the BS canned responses we get 98% of the other times.
"pride goes before a fall" in the margins on his game prep book.
Of course, I can also see him writing "avoid throwing near Sherman."
You don't think manning is proud? You don't end up being as good as he is without having pride in your abilities...
There is a clear difference between the displays of Sherman's pride and Peyton's.
I wasn't referencing displays. I referenced pride.
Manning's play...is geared toward getting into a defense's head. He's surely prideful about that. Sherman's play is geared toward getting into a receiver and quarterback's head. You can't forget about manning, because the ball touches his hands on every offensive play, and the commentator says his name on...every...offensive...play. "manning drops back to pass." "manning hands off to whoever." Sherman can disappear in a game by shutting down his half of the field. The trash talk lets everybody know that he's out there. "the commentators haven't said my name because you're not good enough to get them to point the cameras this way."
as opposed to just proving oneself on the field.
In my profession, big talkers often prove themselves as flawed personalities.
I think we all have flawed personalities, whether we talk big or work in your profession or talk small and work in my profession. Our personalities are flawed depending upon the personalities with which we connect. People are strange, you know. Some are Sherman and some are Tim fuckin' Tebow. What can you do about it? Sherman didn't disrespect anybody, except the person he wanted to disrespect. His pride was obviously disrespected by Crabtree at some point and the equal and opposite reaction was what we saw during the interview. It's not necessarily physics, but it's something like it. Let me change the context a bit. Back in the day, before football and microphones, there was a certain cash crop that was picked mostly by a certain people. In the field, the best way to avoid being whipped was to pick more cotton than the next man and make sure the owner knew that you had picked the most. There's a display of pride for you. "this is my bag of cotton, sir! I picked the most!" After slavery, that same display was necessary to get work. "i'm the best out here! I Should get the job!" Closed mouths don't get fed is the adage. So from the beginning of Sherman's people's time in America, this culture of displaying pride outwardly has been churning away. Some people thrive without the outward display. Other people, like Sherman, t.o., Muhammad Ali, Floyd mayweather, and a long, long list of others still continue the culture that came from their ancestors' attempts to not be punished for not performing. I'm surprised that nobody ever questioned why American black athletes and black athletes in the western hemisphere are so much more in-your-face as opposed to their counterparts in the eastern hemisphere. Different cultural histories. The ones who choose to display their pridefulness like many of us do over here are typically emulating what they've seen. The same thing that makes Sherman Sherman made the fab 5 the fab 5 instead of just another college basketball team playing in the early 90s.
And it's funny how people began calling Sherman an ape when they responded to the interview. I've never seen a prideful gorilla or one with an opinion about another gorilla. More than that, I've never seen a gorilla's reaction, on camera, to getting his feelings hurt, which is basically what we saw. Sherman had his feelings hurt and got some getback.
I think Sherman is an ass and I've thought so since his exchange with Skip Bayless. Don't get me wrong, I think he is very good and he can say whatever he wants. I just choose not to be a fan of his. I have no strong opinion on the Seahawks and I like Wilson. I just think he acts like a tool.
It didn't look like anyone has posted this yet (apologies if someone did), but here is Sherman's response on SI's MMQB:
Thanks for posting this, Newman.
I thought it was hilarious and didn't have any problems with it at all what so ever. You want to interview an extremely passionate player right after he's made a play that will send his team to the Super Bowl, and you're shocked you get a passionate interview? OK...
In other news it really doesn't help the outside perception that the Seattle Seahawks are all rampant abusers of adderall.
Yeah in not cool with going over and slapping Crab on his butt after the game. Douche move.
I didn't have a real problem with the interview, Or the ensuing interviews, but it's definitely not EXACTLY what everybody wanted him to do.
Not a fan of either of these teams playing in it.
You know, when it's all settled and a player speaks from his sleeve like that, as opposed to doing what's been rehearsed or giving player speak, all I can say is at least I know where he stands. It's the same with all people. If you come off with some racist shit or homophobic shit or sexist shit or any other dumb shit, I'm glad to know where you stand... I can watch you better that way...
Let me preface this by saying I am a huge Seahawks fan. I grew up in Seattle and moved back here last year. I follow this team religously. I didn't miss a game this year, and I have watched and read a ton about every player on this team. Now that I've disclosed that allow me to say, that post-game interview was actually the most incendiary Sherman has ever been and I took issue with one part of it but not the entire thing. He has a mouth on him and he has never hesitated running it, but what I saw last night was much worse than his typical rants. There were probably three major reasons for that:
1) He has some bad blood with Harbaugh. Sherman has long held that Harbaugh was bad-mouthing him before the NFL draft and that was why he fell so far. Whether true or not, he has certainly outplayed his 5th round draft slot and he must have some reason for making those claims. Harbaugh also took some potshots at substance abuse issues basically calling guys who use cheaters (Sherman's own positive test for adderall was overturned). This point alone sets the stage for Sherman to really loathe the 49ers.
2) He has some bad blood with Crabtree. Crabtree made some comments leading up to the game to the tune of downplaying Sherman's abilities and his relative place among elite corners. I didn't think Crabtree's comments were that bad, but Sherman has used comments like those for years to fuel his fire. There are also reports that Sherman and Crabtree had some offseason workouts together in Arizona this past year and apparently there was some incident there so those guys already dislike each other. Additionally I'd say there was probably some major jawing going on between those guys all game. Crabtree isn't exactly the most gracious player in the world either. Much has been made of Sherman hunting Crabtree down afterward, but I could swear he went over to shake his hand and Crabtree pushed him away.
3) Sherman was 60 seconds removed from making the most important play of his life in an extremely hard-fought game against his team's most bitter rival to send the Seahawks to the Superbowl. For a guy who already has a pretty poor filter I'd say what came out of his mouth should have probably been expected at that point in time.
I really only had a problem with him denigrating Crabtree. There's no need to knock Crabtree, Kaepernick, or the 49ers down. I don't think it's thuggish like some, but it does lack grace. Sherman's passion for the game and declarations about his ability don't bother me. He's always been that way. He plays with a chip on his shoulder and if you read about his early life it isn't really hard to understand why. He is mouthy and to many he is classless and that is okay. The NFL does need guys like him though. If every guy acted like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson not only would it be just a little less entertaining, but in contrast we wouldn't understand just how special and amazing guys like that are.
tl;dr version: Sherman's worst comments ever, the 49ers coach and wide-recievers contributed to that, Sherman should grow up a lot, he's not a thug, he does have a serious lack of decorum, he is entertaining as hell though
Sherman is without a doubt the best DB in the game. His actions bothered me though. As it would if a Michigan player acted the same way. I think we can all agree if an OSU or MSU player did that, this board would light up bashing them.
He is without a doubt one of the best. He might be the best but he's definitely in the upper echelon.
While the Crabtree Shot was pretty tasteless, he did deliver the clutch play to send his team to the Super Bowl and he has consistently been one of the best CBs in football (hell he shut down Megatron to like 3 catches for 47 yards or something like that), I have no problem with him telling the world if your throwing to his side if the field you better come correct or get shot down.
Made for awesome TV at any rate.
He isn't a thug. He isn't up at Yale with those sling blade motherfuckers.
"don't judge a person's character by what they do between the lines...judge a man by what he does off the field, what he does for his community, what he does for his family."
I guess I thought the definition of character is that you are the same person no matter where you are or what setting you are in. If I have to explain to you what areas of my life you are not allowed to judge my character by, then it pretty much reveals my true character?
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What I have a problem with is his LB making the play to win the game while Sherman made a routine play for a CB at a not so routine time and then taking the credit for it.
Also, I sit behind 6 computer screens all day I am certainly soft.
He's a great player He's also a complete asshole who makes it almost impossible to root for the Seahawks. I never thought I'd root for Peyton Manning but I think I'd like to see Manning just torch him in 2 weeks.
this is still being talked about.
He is getting exactly what he wanted... EVERYONE is talking about him.
As the old saying goes... No publicity is bad publicity.
Yes, he only made "one play" but playing corner isn't solely about pass deflections and interceptions. They only THREW at Sherman one other time, which basically means he potentially shut down his assigned receiver every other play during the game.
Crabtree didn't make a good point at all. The 49ers threw Sherman's way only twice and that was by design because Sherman was in his WR's pockets all day. That deflection also was not lucky. The Hawks DBs have been doing it all year. Sherman has batted multiple picks into the waiting arms of other defenders, usually it's Earl Thomas. They practice that tip-interception play.
Say what you like about "showing class" and "being humble'', but I think people are taking this way to seriously.
First of all, for the people saying "There were 10 other players on the field", do you really think that his teammates are sitting there today saying, "Gosh, Richard didn't give me enough credit for the win"...? C'Mon people. If you were on the team would any of you guys really care whether of not Sherman said, "I'd like to thank my team" (Which he actually did say a few moments later).
Second, did anyone stop think about how loud it was? He probably thought needed to scream over the crowd. Loudest stadium in the NFL, Super Bowl cliching moment, it was probably really loud on the field.
He was just answering a question. Erin Andrews actual question was, "Take me through that last play". That is what he did. He explained the situation, weighed the factors, and gave his opinion on what he saw happen. It was simply an answer to a question. And lets be honest here, it's not like Erin Andrews was mad about this at all. She got a legendary interview. Suprised in the moment? Yes. But not mad. And if you still take issue with the interview, then blame FOX. They knew Sherman has a history. Interview someone else. I'm sure Russell Wilson wouldve answered their questions.