that's unfortunate, but at least the interest is there on both sides
OT- Thoughts on Richard Sherman interview
I loved it. So he talked shit about Crabtree...big deal; it's football. People who are outraged by this are the ones who contribute to the wussification of America, which has become a serious problem.
Respect is now called wussification? Interesting, seems to me the lack of respect is what's wrong.
I don't care about class and respect when it comes to certain sports. Winning is all that matters. If you (I don't mean you in particular) can't handle shit talking, don't play or watch sports. What about fighting sports? UFC and boxing have so much shit talking, but no one seems to make a big deal when it happens there. Oh, but football is sooooo sacred in this country and anyone who talks shit about another player or team just ruins the party. So lame.
I might actually feel sorry for Stanford this morning. Which would be a first.
Not replying to any of the above, just surprised there's no embed on this for those of us who only saw it live once.
(FWIW, I think that Richard Sherman sounded like a dope during the interview, which is a shame because he's a really smart guy who happened to get caught in the heat of the moment after the biggest play of his life. Sherman plays an extremely intelligent game, and seems otherwise like an intelligent guy. This interview made him seem ... unsmart.)
Don't you think part of that is because football is a "team" game unlike boxing and UFC which also have only about 20% of the viewership the NFL has too, so naturally people won't care as much.
I think that invalidates any and all opinions you have right there.
Actually after UFC fights, opponents often show a great deal of respect to each other, even if they talked shit beforehand.
Crabtree pushed him in the face when he tried to shake his hand. He doesn't owe him any respect after that.
Right...Richard Sherman was just being a good sport when he slapped Crabtree on the ass right after that game winning interception.
Please tell me you really believe that...
I do believe it. He talks all game long then turns it off when the game is over. I've seen him do it all year. No one else has pushed away, though.
He had totally "turned it off" when interviewed after the game...
Does it hurt?
That was handshake was meant to try to say, "I'm better than you in every way." He got exactly what he was trying to get, which was for Crabtree to over-react and get a penalty.
Had I been calling the game, I would have thrown a flag on both of them (he's not supposed to be gestering to the opposing team) and had them offset.
You know that's what he meant? Didn't know we had mind readers on the blog.
Yet you're doing the same exact thing...
Sherman was the one called for the penatly
I had the opposite reaction. He completely embarrassed himself and will probably regret these comments when he grows up a bit. Now, instead of everyone talking about what a great corner he is, we're all talking about what a jackass he is instead.
are the ones who contribute to the "wussification of America." Acting like a jerk and basically throwing a fit makes him look more immature than my three year old daughter. Which is okay, I guess, if that is the look you are going for.
of America is a lazy and overplayed meme. This is the same country of speak softly and carry a big stick, an attitude that is over 100 years old. Taking an idiotic rant by a steroid pumped football player and linking that with any sort of softness in the American spirit is ignorant and simple minded.
Or put in more simple terms you may understand and suits your attitude. I'm the best poster on this blog. When you try me with a sorry poster like BlackOps2ForLife, that's the result you're going to get. Don't you ever talk about me... Don't you open your mouth about the best.
Ah yes I remember a prideful local minute man Matthew Remington III during the Revolutionary war state" you gone come at the best minute man in the world? When you come at the best minute man in the world with a sorry, yes, sorry military like England that's what you get. Don't talk about me."
To which Paul Revere quivered "who was talking about you?"
"The King!" Shot back Remington.
'Twas a different time 'twas a better time.
People forget this all just entertainment, and Sherman was entertaining as hell. Lighten up, people!
Verlander has spoken:
So Russell is a class act! Sherman on the other hand.... If he played baseball would get a high and tight fastball.
— Justin Verlander (@JustinVerlander) January 20, 2014
Yes, because threatening someone by throwing an object at 100 mph that could literally kill him is SO much better than talking and morally correct.
Give me a break.
Yes because a high and tight fastball automatically has to hit him. He could just brush him back? Regardless probably not the right thing for JV to say.
Oh I agree it certainly wasn't the right thing to say but my point was that a high and tight fastball doesn't always mean he's going to bean the guy, it could be a case of brushing him back to send a message. All that said, it's still dumb and dangerous.
What planet are you on that trash talking at the wrong time doesn't lead to tempers flaring that doesn't lead to occasional physical violence? Sherman is setting a horrible example for kids. When your son pulls a Sherman and you have to go pick him up at the hospital for the black eye he receives, be sure to continue encouraging him to trash talk since it doesn't lead to killing or maiming anyone.
you do realize that just one mlb EVER has died from getting beaned in the head. and that was way before batting helmets.
is one of the most pansy, pos, classless, stuid, annoying, anti-swag things that anyone could do.
"OMG you were talking shit about me, i'm gonna throw this ball at your face. so HA!"
Let's stipulate, in the age of Twitter, that technology and social networks have allowed us to see exactly how dumb many high-profile athletes (and movie stars, rappers, other celebrities) really are. Irrespective of race, creed or color. Twitter is brutally effective in exposing the stupidity of many of its popular authors. And by no means should we limit this phenomenon to celebrities. There are lots of stupid people. Many of them seem to be on Twitter.
than have no access to it.
only problem with that is a lot of people intentionally troll on the internet just because they can, so it isn't always a perfect method of judging people.
yes, yes, yes, 100% yes. people are waaaaay too PC these days, where is the fun in that?
I'm not getting where the fun was. Don't mistake common courtesy with being overly PC. There's 10 more guys on the damn field. Not only that, the guy had like 2 tackles and that was his only pass breakup. There were better cornerbacks on the same field that night, just thank your team and move on.
and if the safety gives up on that play, there is no INT right?
2 pass break ups because they didn't throw his way. Stats alone can help tell the story but not the whole thing without reading into some of them. He's good, real good. The last play alone, not many can make that play as he did.
No opinion on the whole shit talking matter, but Sherman is a great player.
Richard Sherman is the best corner in football and was the best corner on the field last night. The 49ers treated him like Deion Sanders and just avoided whatever side of the field he was on until that last play.
I am just curious why everyone here is all butt hurt that he had a Darius Morris moment. "Get the F@#@ off my court!" He is far from a thug, even though he did grow up in Compton and has dreads and for a few moments was a load black man. He is not in need of media training, I will point to that Stanford Communications degree for that. He is cocky, he is arrogant, and he is the BEST corner in the NFL.
Ya know, that's a pretty good point. I guess D-Mo didn't say it directly to camera but how is that not worse than what Sherman did? I'm honestly fine with both "actions" I guess, and if nothing else I just don't care enough to give the 8 billionth opinion on the matter and pretend it means something.
Standard take on class from a COD fan.
You really think the way he acted was classy? Wasn't thuggish but definitely lacked class. The only fan base I can think of where they wouldn't think that was classless is Ohio State. Bit, even my Buckeye friends thought he showed no class.
IT'S FOOTBALL AND HIS TEAM IS GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL. Sheesh. I'm not trying to put you down or anyone who agrees with you, but I just don't care about class when it comes to rivalries. If you win, you are allowed to talk shit and that's all there is to it.
like an idiot when you go to the superbowl? does manning celebrate like this? russell wilson? acting like a jerk is definitely never classy - self control and controlling emotions are what seperates boys from men, literally.
Wilson and Manning are the QBs and faces of their franchise. They know not to do that. Also, I don't think talking junk is "celebrating like an idiot." It's sports. Shit talking, especially in rivalries, is part of the game. I don't know why anyone is shocked at what this guy said.
we are talking about whether his actions were classless. I don't think his actions were thuggish - I think most everyone will agree with that, but acting like a spoiled child after a big win...I think that is definitely acting like an idiot. You could argue Richard Sherman is the face of the Seahawks franchise - seeing as he is the best CB in the game today.
Shit talking, especially in rivalries, is part of the game.
It has become part of the game, in recent years/generations. It never used to be part of the game. It used to be the rare exception. Because intelligent, mature, serious people who did things like fight in world wars, or survive a depression, and who had real jobs, understood where sporting events rated in life. And what sports could mean for society, when done right.
This "shit" (your word) is representative of a decline in values. Probably not a big deal by itself; caring little about the NFL to begin with, this is not a thread that I would have initiated. But since you commented, I was happy to respond.
I agree with Section 1 on something!
the era of sports before integration...
Now I didn't bring any racial element to this. You did, so I'll ask: Do you think that Richard Sherman, as an African-American, should be beyond criticism for this episode? Not that I'll settle on either side (pro- or anti-Sherman) as being necessrily superior in this context; but do you think that it is out of bounds for discussion?
And since you racialized it, do you think that Richard Sherman was expressing some essential/core element of black culture? Some of the racist comments on Twitter that Deadspin must have spent hundreds of man-hours collecting seem to demonstrate that among the rudest and least civilized backwaters of racism, the bigots thought that yeah, that's just a black guy being a black guy. Mark it down as Reason Number 1,987 to end Twitter.
Are you suggesting that they are correct in identifying the issue, but just wrong in condemning it?
I'm beginning to think that this thread (one that I have already said that I wouldn't have started) won't last long.
should be beyond critcism because he is black, i think he should be beyond criticism because i don't see anything wrong with what he did. he expressed his true emotions in a moment when the media was hoping to elicit the exact reaction that he gave. i also don't see anything wrong with trash talking, and i don't think a person is any worse of a person for talking shit.
and here is the subtlety (follow closely): yes, his actions embodied much of what black urban cutlure is all about--freely expressing yourself. being loud, being proud, being rude, and not giving a fuck.
the difference between my reaction to that and people's reaction on twitter is that people on twitter think it's bad and i am totally fine with it and think it is awesome.
is that confusing? i don't think so.
that a group of peoples who tend to be loud and boisterous is more indicative of being poor than anything else. if you look at hispanics, poor white people, poor brits, they all have different ways of being loud, opinionated, etc. etc.