OT: Ray Rice Assault Video released
This morning TMZ got a hold of, and released the full video of the Ray Rice incident from this past spring. Previously, there was only video of Ray Rice dragging his unconcious fiancee from the elevator.
It's pretty ugly. To summarize for anyone who doesn't want to watch it- Ray Rice and Janay Palmer enter the elevator. They appear to be arguing, the doors close, and Ray Rice hits her in the face. He backs up from her, and she steps toward him and then he punches her, and knocks her out.
Don't know if I saw it on here on not, but there were a few places where people were arguing that we didn't know the full story, and speculation maybe she attacked him. It's clearly not the case, and the fact that Roger Goodell supposedly had full access to this video when he made the suspension decision, and only chose Rice only got a 2-game suspension is disgusting.
Update: The NFL claims they've never seen the video until today:
"We requested from law enforcement any and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator. That video was not made available to us and no one in our office has seen it until today."
September 8th, 2014 at 10:24 AM ^
Yeah I saw it and apparently so did Godell before he unleased the "iron fist" of the NFL and suspended him for TWO WHOLE GAMES. The fury!
I mean it's not like Rice did something as horrible as hanging out with guys smoking weed like Josh Gordon or anything. Sheesh.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^
No. Some NFL spokesman came out today and said the NFL hadn't seen it. May give them some wiggle room to change the punishment hopefully.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:27 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^
I stand corrected - you are right. But then I have to ask why not wait to announce the punishment or give maximum and then back off if the video somehow made Rice look better than it appeared.
Either way I'm with you. Godell gets a second bite of the apple - he better take it and throw the book at him.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^
Raises an interesting question, though - so TMZ could get the video, but the NFL (one of the more powerful organizations in our fine country) couldn't? LOL. Right. I'm sure they gave it the ole' college try and just came up a little short.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:09 AM ^
is that if the NFL gave more than the ole' college try there might be some legal backlash against the NFL. In other words the gray area where TMZ operates in obtaining "leaks" prolly wouldn't fly in the war room of NFL lawyers if someone was to propse trying all posible options for obtaining the full video.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
I get what you're saying, but I just don't see what legal issue would prevent Goodell from calling the casino's owner and saying "hey, send along that footage". Security footage is released all the time in other crime scenarios, so I'd assume it's not illegal to do so or to ask for it.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:42 AM ^
which we do not live in. First off, I am not a lawyer nor have I paid the utmost attention to this story so im not clear on the timeline of events.
That being said the one thing I can think of that sounds reasonable is that if there is an open police investigation the NFL would not try to circumvent that in any public way. They may have/could have thrown their weight around behind closed doors to obtain the tape but I assume that is risky as well.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^
How would you not assume this level of violence after already seeing him drag her unconscious out of the elivator? I'd like to think it was just stupidity on the NFL's part, but this is almost too much to believe.
September 8th, 2014 at 4:01 PM ^
Self-defense?
September 8th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^
Because they have no reason to lie, right?
NFL on video: "was not made available to us and no one in our office has seen it until today." pic.twitter.com/bU0eJh1hOt
— Spencer Hall (@edsbs) September 8, 2014
September 8th, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^
This prick deserved to be banned for at least a season. If I were in charge, and I had access to this video evidence, I'd ban him for life. How pathetic.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 10:29 AM ^
She should've known better than to assault his fist. *eyeroll*
September 8th, 2014 at 10:28 AM ^
What could she possibly do to make Ray Rice knock her out. In an elevator. In public. On video...
September 8th, 2014 at 10:31 AM ^
Aside from murdering his child, there's virtually nothing she could've done to deserved getting KOd like that. Good grief, dude.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
You're assuming there was a trigger. And why does it matter? Famous people act like cocks all the time. Famous people get violent for no reason just like a bunch of non-famous people.. Being a "famous RB" doesn't make you not an asshole.
You're asking exactly the wrong question.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:24 AM ^
Ray Rice's actions were criminally and morally contemptible. Nothing justifies his actions. But looking for a cause is not wrong.It isn't " blaming the victim" to seek an understanding why it happened.
September 8th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^
I can't imagine a scenario in which knowing what she said or did is useful to me or anyone else on this board. It would be useful if I wanted to be in a romantic relationship with Ray Rice, I guess, and I didn't want him to punch me. I can't imagine it being very informative in any other scenario.
I don't know Ray Rice, neither do any of us, probably, and I don't want to. He did something wrong and we all know it. He happens to be famous. That's about all that is relevant.
What's far more interesting is that the NFL already looked dumb and awful and heartless for their reaction to this. The video doesn't give us ANY new information. We all knew -- the police report says it -- that Rice struck her with his hand and that's what rendered her unconscious. Now we've all seen it, too. It's not information that's new, it's our visceral reaction to domestic abuse.
September 8th, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^
Why do you assume that she "did" anything? Sometimes people are just assholes who get violent without any trigger whatsoever. Why are you trying to rationalize this? That comment reeks of victim-blaming.
September 8th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
Perfect answer.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:35 AM ^
that Ray Rice hit instead. You are sick.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^
.....Of the guy on NFL Radio (Sirrius) this morning that pointed out that she was unconscious because her head hit the railing, and it probably wasn't the second punch that did the damage. Words cannot begin to explain how rediculous that comment is. Un-Effing-believable. The real sad part of this situation, indeed, is that the woman continues to think he's a worthy husband, most likely, due to his deep pockets. When he gets back to the NFL, off his suspension, I hope he's treated like he's in the clank. I'm sure there are some gentlemen who feel strongly about what he did, and might want to take it out on a guy running up the middle.....
September 8th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
She obviously asked for it, right?
I see many negative points in your future woodchuck.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:07 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 11:16 AM ^
But NO ONE just goes and knocks out their wife because of nothingOh, yes they do. Happens waaaaay more often than people want to admit.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
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September 8th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^
Why the fuck do you care what she said? What benefit or value would that information provide? Would it change your view of Rice? Would it change your opinion regarding the appropriate punishment?
September 8th, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^
No value? 1.3 million women AND 835K men are assaulted every year in the US by their intimate partner.
Maybe people on this blog unfortunately have had experience with that kind of shit? What if people care and want to learn about what really happened (chronology of events), or want to better understand domestic violence, warning signs, etc.? How is that over the line?
This same woman who was brutalized by Ray Rice decided to MARRIED HIM one day after he was formally indicted by a grand jury on third-degree aggravated assault for striking her unconscious. Not unusual for victims of domestic violence perhaps, but it's still way fucked up. Nothing to see here?
Look, call the NFL management the bunch of incompetent, hippocrite fuckwits that they are. Call Ray Rice a violent, knuckle-dragging monster with anger control issues, or a misogynist, if that fits better. But I don't agree that questions can't be asked about the victim(s) in this case, or that nothing can possibly be learned from the chain of events leading up to it. That's horseshit.
I fully understand that for some, they don't want to know any more. Guy hits girl and they're done. OK, well, that's up to them.
September 8th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
Dude, you must be young and naive because you just do not get it.
Nothing can MAKE A GUY punch a woman. Nothing. Period. End of Story.
Learn this now. Please.
September 8th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 5:14 PM ^
I can see why people interpreted this differently than I meant. I'm typically careful with how I word things. My appologies.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:11 AM ^
Rice was waiting for his then-fiance near the elevators. As she walks by him, he either yells something at her or spits at her. His head snaps as if in a spitting motion but you cant see if anything flies from his mouth. She throws a light slap and connects. They then walk on the elevator, where Rice does the yelling/spitting motion again, and like earlier, you cant see anything coming out of his mouth. She throws a light elbow, as if to back him away from her. Thats when he punches her. She stumbles, and then tries to walk up to him. He hits her again. As she's falling, her head hits the rail in the elevator and she become unconscious. The OP didn't tell the full story, but that's it. If you haven't seen the video and were just asking a legit question instead of "blaming the victim", then I don't see why you got negged. If not, I see why.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^
September 8th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^
[assuming anything whatsoever], what the fuck for? You aren't his counselor.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:31 AM ^
1) Why did she still marry him.
2) How is he not in jail.
3) How can Goodell not ban him at a minimum of a year or ban him.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:34 AM ^
As MGoBrewMom noted, the fiance clearly did run into his fist at full speed and she probably blamed herself for her clumsiness. It was all just a big misunderstanding.
That, or "Battered Women Syndrome". I'm going with the latter.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
I don't think it's battered woman syndrome. I think it's a case where his fiancee had the options presented to her by Rice's lawyers or the Ravens' lawyers. Assuming that she wanted to stay with Rice (a big assumption, but it seems that's what happened), she could do one of two things:
1) Tell everybody what happened, and watch Rice get suspended for a long time and lose millions of dollars; or
2) Take the blame for provoking him or whatever, and have Rice hold onto his paychecks/endorsements.
It's fucked up, but she doesn't gain anything by Rice being suspended. It was in her own self-interest to take the blame even though it's now apparent that doing so was a crock of shit.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
I hadn't heard that. But that's horse****.
September 8th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
September 8th, 2014 at 10:35 AM ^
What an absolute scumbag. The NFL shoud be emarassed. Love how he turns her around the doors almost close on her head like a cartoon.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^
So now that they've seen it, will they suspend him more games? I doubt it.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^
kick him out of the league