Drag it through the streets like they did to Saddam.
Drag it through the streets like they did to Saddam.
Is exactly the image I have had in my head since discussion about the statue started.
Saddam was a bad dude that did a lot of deplorabe things to the Iraqi peope, but I bet he wouldn't have let Sandusky get away with it for as long as Joe Paterno did.
I say leave it up as a reminder of what can happen when power is left unchecked.
Here comes Round 2 for the day.
More fun to follow.......
Hey, it's not our fault that PSU seems to have a never-ending supply of f*cktards who can't do the right thing, ever.
Shocked that will stay up! This statue should of went down when the freeh report came out. This is a shame and a horrible situation there. Though I don't respect anyone who still sticks up for Joe, he is just as bad as Sandusky
Sandusky is a sick f*ck and he needs help. But for the Penn State 4 should have forced him to get help after victim #1. However, they ALLOWED (silence equals permission) Sandusky to continue raping little boys. They all should be tried and given the death penalty.
JoePa is in hell and that is where he should be. Maybe we can fry the other 3, and send them to hell quickly.
I agree with Bobby Bowden, when people see the statue of Joe Paterno it's going to be a discussion point and it's not going to be a good discussion. I personally would want to have it removed, but if they want to think about it, the could get something to surround the statue so people don't see it [and keep it safe from vandalism] , like the wooden panels at the Mall so you can't see in new stores.
It is sad that the trustees don't want to make a "rash decision" like they did in November... Oh when you fired JoePa and the guys who were covering it up... There are some members of the Penn State community who act totally oblivious to what happened... Disgusting
Let the parents and the victims decide what to do with the statue, considering they are going to be getting A LOT of money from the university.
"You can't let people stampede you into making a rash decision," a trustee said.
I found that to be an ironic statement.
How about right next to the Paterno statue the trustees place a bronze statue of Sandusky perpetrating a crime? That's what Paterno represents.
I don't think you thought that post all the way through. It's not like Sandusky was found guilty of tax fraud.
Of course that won't happen, nor should it. But my point is that people should never forget what happened there and how Paterno's decisions enabled it.
Tax fraud look like anyway?
Eh, I think it's pretty common for trustees to do that whether they're talking about a Paterno statue or hiring a groundskeeper. Boards don't like to be seen as speaking with anything but one voice.
No. Leave that statue up. Let it be a reminder of just what the hell went on there.
I am more curious to know what will happen to the University. Will they get anywhere near the SMU death penalty?
Have to feel sorry for the PSU fans. Michigan basketball fans know what it feels like.
The Death Penalty requires a program to have been on probation if I'm not mistake so no it's off the table. Only talking head tards like Mark May and Stephen A Smith are bringing it up.
Morehouse soccer and MacMurray tennis, were not repeat violators. If the infractions are bad enough, they'll bring it on a program with history of violations or without.
Although you are correct about the Death Penalty, something extreme will have to be done by the NCAA in my opinion. I think if there isnt a punishment that is near death penalty, the NCAA will lose what control they do have.
If Penn State does not get a punishment, I would expect to see violations increase, because honestly if Penn State gets away with this, what stops Program W from playing Players X, Y, and Z with tattoos, golden dablooms, or a Lambo? I think the NCAA will lose a lot of credibility.
If they do hit Penn State with the hammer, I think it will enforce to teams that have violations that break laws (hopefully nothing like this ever again) to put the victims ahead of the football/basketball/baseball/etc program or there will be no more football/basketball/baseball/etc program.
If they do hit Penn State with the hammer, I think it will enforce to teams that have violations that break laws (hopefully nothing like this ever again) to put the victims ahead of the football/basketball/baseball/etc program or there will be no more football/basketball/baseball/etc program.
Doesn't the threat of jail time already do this? Once that's on the table, I don't think the threat of NCAA penalties will affect the violators.
I think it really depends on the program or the person.
I think the punishment of jail would deter a lot of people, but even with that punishment, there are still people willing to do the crime.
I think back on what my high school driver education teacher said, " there are severe punishments for drinking and driving, people still do it. If the punishment were the death penalty, there would be a lot less."
The other thing is that there probably were people involved in the coverup who aren't going to get arrested because they happened to cover their steps a little better than the four we know about. If you punish the program, you get 'em all.
This assumes the people in charge think NCAA penalties to the program are worse than personal jail time. I don't think this is the case for most people.
I think to a lot of people, jail time is more than sufficient penalty. But if you want to make sure that a program would report a major crime if it happened again, you impact a major revenue generating activity.
It will be interesting to see what actually happens. This is honestly the first situation to this magnitude, and it's going to change the landscape no matter what the NCAA decides to do or what not to do.
Are you honestly trying to say other programs might think it's ok to cover up child rape if the NCAA doesn't bring down the hammer?
No not at all.
I am not saying that at all. I think the most important thing, besides for these people to get the punishment that they deserve, legally of course, is the importance of reporting any crime, especually crimes that involves children and their safety. If I gave off a different message, I apologize, because I was not going for that message at all.
Actually, PSU needs to worry even more about the Dept. of Education. The Clery Act (a violation being failure to report a crime on or in the near vicinity of campus), which you hear mentioned often in the report is a DOE enforced mandate. If they are deemed punishable, the DOE can eliminate PSU or it’s students from receiving federal funds. The ceiling being eliminating students from Pell Grants and other federal student aid, and/or the eligibility of the university research awards, stipends, grants, etc., ANY Federal money!! In the last Top 100 Institutions in Federally Financed R&D Expenditures report, PSU is listed in the top 20 for institutions receiving federal research dollars.
Any or all of it could go “Bye-bye”, if DOE feels it should be enforced.
Can you imagine PSU playing a game in about 6 weeks? I just can't see it happening. No way they play this year.
They are going to play...
Agreed. But it will be a Goddamn circus.
They don't have enough roads into State College to accomodate the media horde that will show up, three quarters of which will have nothing to do with college football.
"The trustees' reluctance to remove the statue is motivated, in part, by a desire not to offend alumni and students who adore the late coach despite the damning findings of his role in the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse cover-up detailed in the Freeh report, the sources said."
How very thoughtful of them.
They are going through straight denial, minimization and projection all at once in State College. The basic message that the Board Of Trustees is sending is that Joe Paterno lives even though he lives no longer and that his program still means more than those whose abuse he helped enable. It will be a long time before they even get to "anger" in DABDA.
Again, it provides some evidence that few people if anyone in power at PSU is going to be able to make an objective decision about this issue right now, just when they desperately need someone to be doing this this very thing.
I am sure that they are aware of how much his presence meant financially and emotionally to this school and it seems that, solely because of some misguided sentiment, they decided that the legacy of Joe Paterno warrants a sort of commemoration. The sentiment seems to carry more weight than the reality of what happened.
They don't want to offend alumni and students who are also going through similar denial, but really, the only way they are going to heal (if they want to heal) as a school and program is to do these little things which begin to dissociate themselves from Paterno - it will still take years. The new culture begins without the image of a bespectacled man guiding a team onto the field - it will be a while, I imagine, before they can omit a certain man from this image.
I'm so tired of this story. I find myself agreeing with the harshest penalties. Fines, prison, death penalty, removal from the B1G. I understand this an emotional reaction to the situation - abhorrence. I don't buy the "don't punish the players" mantra, because as some have said on this board, that's like not imprisoning a murderer because its going to adversely affect his children. Unfortunately, its STILL all about the money. PSU athletic department donations were the second highest ever this year.
Huh? Punishing the players would be like putting the murderer's kids in jail with him. They are not the perpetrators.
Somehow I don't remember this sentiment being very popular when the NCAA was contemplating penalties for Ohio. Every punishment they have is designed to punish the program, and usually affects people who had nothing to do with the violations.
To clarify, by "punish the players" I mean the collateral damage that would be incidental with dismantling the football team, not charging the players themselves.
All the players should be allowed to leave the school and enroll elsewhere without sitting out a year. Unfortunately, most schools' rosters/scholarships are full at this point (I'm guessing). So this policy should remain in place after the 2012 season, as well, to give players time to reach such an important decision.
Amazingly, it still seems like this institution still cannot bring itself to consider the victims first in all of this. They are worried about offending everybody now, except the victims.
I want to show some mercy to JoePa, but the victims should become the primary concern, and never allowing this to happen again a very close second.
It'll be torn down in a couple weeks, over the course of one night, after the furor subsides.
Quietly, so no one can protest or make a scene at the demolition.
I understand that it must be difficult to let go of an icon like Paterno. Regardless of the Sandusky situation, he did a lot for PSU, for football and the school itself. Its hard to overlook and simply forget about his service to the school. I get that. We can't lie to ourselves and say some of us wouldn't feel the same way if this kind of scandal occured under Schembechler. If you say something like "we're Michigan, that would never happen here," you are flat out naive, and just as much in denial as the PSU fans still in support of Paterno.
But the school needs a fresh start. Paterno needs to be purged from the school. I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but maybe it needs to happen. I'm no authority on that, but it would not be unreasonable to push this on PSU. I think SMU was nothing compared to this scandal.
If I found out that Hoke, Carr, or Bo were enabling a child rapist to continue his craft unimpeded, I would hope they get the most severe punishment possible. I would never, ever try to rationalize this. I'd never lose my support for the football program at Michigan, but would completely disavow any positive feelings I had for anyone on staff that did something like this.
I wish Paterno were alive to see his fanbase erode. Cancer was too nice a fate. He did not make a mistake. He made a continual decision to put his own reputation and that of his program over the safety of innocent children.
There is no discussion. No back and forth. That is it. It is the end of the conversation. I wish the worst fate to all those who knew but did nothing. In a way, that is as pure evil as an obviously sick and twisted person carrying out something they cannot control. Sandusky deserves to burn for all of this, but what normal person goes around raping children? He's chemically imbalanced and off his rocker. What really turns the knife is that you had a group of 'normal' people decide that their little piece of the pie was worth more than the safety of kids. That's as evil as it gets.
You can hate on this post if you want, but you will never convince me otherwise.
"Let's leave a statue of up that reminds everyone about how dozens of kids were raped, all while our highest ranking athletic officials were complacent."
This makes Brandon look like a fuckin' genious for wanting a mascot...
"If I found out that Hoke, Carr, or Bo were enabling a child rapist to continue his craft unimpeded, I would hope they get the most severe punishment possible. I would never, ever try to rationalize this."
How do you know, though? I mean really, definitively know? That’s the truly scary part about this, because it deals so much with human nature and our ability to perpetrate or condone evil acts in deference to authority. Look up the Milgram obedience experiment if you don’t already know what that is. I don’t say any of this to rationalize the behavior of anyone involved or to somehow pretend like what happened wasn’t truly awful. It’s just that in our culture, there is an unhealthy level of adoration given to these people. People structure their entire lives around sports figures. That’s very dangerous, and not something we should so casually deny. (I’m sure you’re a good person, and I don’t mean to target you personally).
That's exactly why I want PSU to get slammed to pieces by the NCAA, sued for every penny, etc. If human nature does not guarantee that we will instinctually do the right thing, then we need to make one hell of an example of this so anyone who even considers covering up will think, "We don't want to be another PSU."
I think the segment of the population that is still defending Paterno is the same segment of the population that says tO$U, Spartina, or Meatchicken. I think most of us on this board have a good perspective on things. If PSU had an equivalent of MGoBlog, they would be in deep shame about the statue staying up...
I will never defend someone in this situation, regardless of prior allegiance. I am confident of that.
Well now, sure there was that whole thing with the massive war and holocaust, but we need to keep in mind that Hitler did a lot to inspire the people of Germany. (no, I am not making that comparison, just illustrating obsurdity by being obsurd.)
I'm fine with keeping the stature, but they should probably remove the part that says "HUMANITARIAN".
"COACH... EDUCATOR... ALSO, THERE WAS THAT THING THAT HAPPENED"
Now, to the old adage, "Well, except for that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?" we can now add:
"Well, except for that, how many lives did you change, Coach?"
COACH, LIAR, MACHIAVELLIAN
Plus, there has to be something the program did against the NCAA Rule Book. While the crime is terrible and one of the worst scandals in history, I'm not sure that the NCAA can punish them without it being in the rule book.
Stop with the rulebook bullshit. This is an unprecedented scandal which will have unprecedented consequences as it should. Just watch...
I agree with this. Yes, it's an unprecedented situation, and sometimes unprecedented situations require unprecedented interpretations of the rules.
The NCAA can't simply stand idly by; its constituency will lose respect for the institution and all it is supposed to stand for if it does. A remedy will have to be fashioned by stretching the interpretation of the rules.
Not that I want to compare WW2 and its atrocities with this situation, that would of course be inappropriate. But there is an example of appropriately strecthing the interpretation of the rules of war that arose out of that circumstance:
There was no such war crime as "Crimes Against Humanity" before Nuremburg. The situation, however, was so heinous that everyone knew that the Geneva Conventions couldn't be the limit of the inquiry. They literally invented this crime because the unprecedented holocaust that was WW2 demanded a whole-cloth solution, even if one had to be created for it.
In a similar way, I believe that the NCAA will step in and give the death penalty to PSU for a year or two. It has to, regardless of precedent, and even if that means making a pretty big stretch.
So, let PSU have its statue. It's just more evidence of people with their heads in the sand who really have no idea what the rest of the public is thinking.
Perhaps the Big Ten has more leeway in sanctioning members for this kind of thing than the NCAA does. If that's the case, I think it's very conceivable that the Big Ten bans them from competition for a year or two. Presumably they wouldn't be able to field a full slate of games, at the very least, on such late notice. Also probable is that teams would shy away from scheduling Penn State OOC during that time. So it would be in effect an unofficial death penalty.
If this crap doesn't get penn state kicked out of the B1G, then what the hell does it take to get kicked out? Mooning Delaney?
What that sick piece of shit did is WORSE than murder IMO. And the four scumbags who covered it up, are considered pedophiles in my mind too since they enabled it.
I'm so sick of all these horrid things happening in this country, and the people responsible getting away with a slap on the wrist. penn state will get the lack of institutional control charge, because the football coach RAN that school.
And not to put on my tin foil hat, but did anyone remember about the DA that went missing i 1998? Kind of strange how they were ready to reveal all of this back then, and the DA just disappeared and has been missing since then.
Joe Paterno is a liar, a fraud, a scumbag, a con-artist, a massive hypocrite and I hope he is rotting in hell. I don't care if this post gets negged, because I am pissed off everytime I think of this.
The complete disregard those vile human beings had for the children, and the 100% caring about the football program and their image makes my blood boil.
psu will never get kicked out. too much loss in revenue unless nd, or maybe va tech comes to the B1G and says they want in.
Then they better change the division names to "Cash" and "Revenue".
I'm not expecting PSU to get kicked out. That being said, I don't think it has much, if anything, to do with money. PSU could easily be replaced. The money difference wouldn't be that great. I just think enough of the schools would consider kicking PSU out an overreaction. For now, I think they're just going to wait and see what PSU does to sanction themselves.
Yup this should all be about money. God I love what our society has become.
They should turn it around so that it "looks the other way"
And cover it up for awhile.
I hope a squadron of pigeons bombs the statue every day.
Get some Ohio fans. They can be convinced to poop on ANYTHING.
I might volunteer.
Yeah, but I don't want it to be a sometime thing - I want it to be daily. Multiple sorties.
Pooping is a rite of passage.
Death Penalty cases-
If your argument is that what happened at Penn State is more egregious than what happened in those instances, I doubt very much that you’ll find anyone who disagrees with you. I don’t think that’s the point though. If you’re saying something else, you’ll have to explain because I don’t understand.
When football becomes the #1 priority at a university, over everything else, you need to put a stop to it. It obviously was, since the 3 stooges above paterno (really they were below him) were afraid to say anything because of the football program or the image of the school. It's time to cut the ties.
As justingoblue said above, the last two death penalties were given without there being a case of said school being a repeat offender. penn state needs to learn that football is not their most important priority over the safety of children.
I wouldn't be surprised though if little is done. Really wouldn't. The wussification of America makes me want to gag.
“When football becomes the #1 priority at a university, over everything else, you need to put a stop to it.”
I agree 100%. I do not agree that it is the NCAA’s role to do so, however. They are not moral arbiters, and it would amount to laughable hypocrisy for them to assume that role now. It wouldn’t serve the interests of the victims, only the interests of the NCAA.
These NCAA penalties are for cheating and for trying to enforce a level playing field where criminal and civil laws don't apply. Stop trying to belittle these serious crimes.
I'm not trying to belittle the crimes. I just find it hard to believe that the NCAA will slam PSU for a legal issue and cheating is too broad a term. I think they will get sued to hell, and all the people involved will never see the light of day, but I don't think that they will be punished just my own thoughts.
My comment is in response to Devotee. I don't think the NCAA applies here but id like to see a lot of jail time for the execs. I understand everyone wanting to throw everything at them though.
But the enforcement mechanisms are not mutually exclusive. Why not use every available tool against these particular tools?
Still, I don't get the whole kicking PSU out of the Big Ten thing. You don't kick out an academic institution for actions of a few people.
Compromise: keep the statue, but cover it up for 14 years.
Getting rid of it will unfortunately hurt alumni donations.
They can keep it, but just make sure the epitaph is changed so that it doesn't lie like Joe did.
...and move it to the family's front lawn.
Can you imagine if PSU plays a game this fall? It would be creepy as hell.
It wasn't creepy last year when they played Nebraska? Unfortunately, there's precedent for this.
I feel bad for Ohio University. Maybe their mascot can lay a beating on the Paterno statue.
PSU is a university run by a bunch of George Costanzas. They need to start doing the complete opposite of every instinct they have.
I mean seriously . . . this is about the most obvious gesture of contrition possible. A guy who enables a sexual predator and covers up for him for over a decade should not be honored with a statue. The entire non-pedophile population of the country that isn't affiliated with PSU agrees that it's inappropriate to celebrate the man at this point. If this is a bridge too far for them, holy crap they are nuts.
But the community's obsession with it reinforces why this scandal happened in the first place. It's like these people have learned nothing. That statue would be a constant reminder of how deranged that institution and commnunity is. Especially with it labeled "Humanitarian."
I can't wait until PSU students set up Paternoville this fall.
Exactly. The obsession with Paterno is symptomatic of what caused this to happen in the first place.
und""""Put a plaque with Shelley's "Ozymandias" underneath it.
+1 for elevating the tone of this discussion.
Well, at least I was repetitive in an educated sort of way.
I'm su'rprised the statue isn't being defaced or the area around it vandalized on a daily basis with graffiti denoting shame and demands to remove it.
I thought that someone threw a blanket over the statue the other day? I know that's not graffiti but still shows displeasure without causing damage. Just take the thing down before someone does.
The TV's will NOT mentioned this by the time the Penn State's second B10 game starts, network anchors will get told, even impicitetly, to not talk about this on the air.
And this is what saddens me, that I highly doubt that outside of the coming civil lawsuits, Penn State will brush this off and have no tangible damage done. 14 plus years of silence will scores of vulnerable kids whose innocence was shattered and they are just going to spin their culpability.
You're dreaming if you think PSU will actually have a game in the next year or two.
Another JoePa posting? I've probably done enough b*tching about this, but I would like to share an observation:
How many of these posts have been prepared by people with just over the minimum (100 points)? Quite a few, AFAICS. I find that interesting.
This one at least adds a new detail. A few of the others reduce to "I'm very angry about what happened at Penn State!"
Perhaps I am a bit naive, but if Penn State, as a university, continues to treat Paterno "memorabilia" on their campus as if none of this had transpired, then I'd like to think that at some point, the B1G presidents, including MSC, do something. If they don't, then I will have to seriously rethink what this conference is about and whether I want to continue to support anything to do with B1G athletics.
Has anyone heard one word from any of the B1G universities about the Scandal, because if they have, I sure haven't. Have they been told as a group to keep silent?
Maybe a little childish, but I sent the store an email-
"Do you sell any 8x10's of Joe Pa burning in hell? Maybe one with his back turned".
Email: [email protected]
These people are sick for celebrating this disgusting man. He covered the shit up and more kids were raped. End of story! I sent them a quick email.
Should USC be punished because OJ Simpson killed someone. Should Ohio be punished because they have a booster who is a child molester. People do terrible things, but you don't punish the program for a legal matter.
That is the dumbest post I have seen this week.
Did OJ kill someone on the USC campus? Did the Ohio booster molest someone in the Buckeye showers?
If USC knew OJ killed them and covered it up, then yes. Duh. What the hell is wrong with you.
"The statue represents the good that Joe did. It doesn't represent the bad that he did."
Selective statue representation! Makes sense. That's why there's a statue of Adolf Hitler looming over every entrance to the autoban.
The problem here is, is there is no precedence for this kind of an infraction. Any punishment handed down is going to be the first of its kind. Do time limitations handcuff the NCAA here? Do they have to add entire sections to the NCAA rule book and guidelines? So many questions need to be answered. The only thing that can be said with absolute certainty is that the NCAA must act and they must do so in the correct manner. It's the hurried and rushed swing that often goes astray, so I think the NCAA needs to gather the appropriate information to best hand down a punishment that best suits the crime. A death penalty not only destroys the football program, but would probably cost a lot of innocent people their jobs. I'm not even sure the victims themselves would be advocates of what would essentially be destroying Penn State itself. A grievous wrong was done here, and the people involved need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. A death penalty, however, does not make sense. Those bring punished for the crime, will have had nothing to do with it. Young men who dreamed their entire lives about playing for PSU, will have to unquestionably, under a death penalty scenario, have to alter their plans. Punish the program, yes, but not to the extent that it would punish fans and generations of alumni. The death penalty here is a mistake, and it would only create more bitterness and bad memories. The infraction is monumentally severe, but don't make the severity of a few men's crimes, be a monument that innocent players and fans will be forever stuck with.
If Penn State's violations don't warrant the death penalty, what does? I cannot think of something worse than the four highest people in the chain of command of a football program covering up child rape.
In my opinion, the NCAA violation here is very clear - lack of institutional control.
The program should be punished by the NCAA because presrving the reputation and continued excellence of the football program was the main reason that the crimes were covered up by the powers-that-be in the university. This type of behavior must be strictly dissuaded by the NCAA so that the penalties for covering up any crimes within college sports programs are so severe that doing so would never be considered by administrators.
I do agree that the death penalty here is too severe. I am thinking three year bowl ban and loss of 15 of 85 schollies over that time. I believe NCAA will come down with a two year bowl ban and loss of ten scholarships.
I'm sorry, but I can't see any way that scholarship reductions or bowl bans fit the offenses. While we might disagree on the severity of their penalties and their consistency, the NCAA does a good job of making the punishments fit the crime.
The problems stemmed, at least in part, from the football program becoming much more important to a school than it should. The crimes weren't just the actions of a few men. They were the leaders of the school acting in their official capacities. They put concern for their football program above all. Unfortunately, that was symptomatic of the culture of the institution.The most relevant penalties will need to address that.
The death penalty for a year or two is appropriate. Penn State gets to show it can function as a university without football. Football will come back. They'll be good again before too long. It's a temporary punishment that might actually do some long-term good for the school and the community. A less drastic penalty along the same lines would be a ban on home games for some period of time.
I'd like to see what Penn State proposes. The comments from their board on Paterno's statue are not a good start. If they're going to resist meaningful penalties then it's time for the Big Ten to look for a replacement.
That's what's so awkward about NCAA intervention in this case. It has to be the Death Penalty or nothing.
If it's just scholarship reductions or bowl bans, it comes off as trivial and ridiculous, as if the NCAA made up a chart and said "Let's say the rape of one child is worth 5 scholies and a single season bowl ban. So if we just do the math . . . "
I'm fine keeping the statue up, but turn it around so we can only see his back...just like he turned his back on what happened there.
I get the idea of taking a contrarian view to get page hits. Some of his reasoning was so appallingly stupid as to make me think he was, perhaps subconsciously, trying to convince us he was wrong. I'll highlight a few examples.
They were afraid of Joe Paterno. This was his program, his school, and if he wasn't going to punch Sandusky in the nose and call the cops every hour on the hour until they started investigating that monster, well, neither were they.
I find the comment about calling the cops every hour extremely offensive. Why is he making it sound like it would have been so difficult for PSU to stop Sandusky and that the police would have been disinterested? They didn't just avoid reporting Sandusky. They went to the extreme of lying to authorities when there finally was an investigation
The school was lacking moral fiber in a way that soars well above the NCAA's jurisdiction, and believe me, the school will pay for that. There's the civil suits that are coming, and there's the loss of reputation that is here now. A few years ago the phrase "Penn State" meant excellence: great school, great football, great coach. Today Penn State means "Sandusky." That's all it means, and that's all it will mean for decades.
This is of course, just an opinion. But it's so over the top that I have a hard time accepting that he actually believes it. The concept of offenses being too egregious for the NCAA to act is a novel one. I don't really understand the concept.
Fair play matters, no matter the stakes, and the death penalty for Penn State would not be fair. It would be worse than double jeopardy, because Penn State is already getting hammered on multiple fronts -- and I'm fine with that. Criminal cases for school officials. Civil cases, sure to come, for the school itself. The court of public opinion. Guilty, guilty, guilty.
First of all, nothing that he mentioned was a punishment for the football program. Second, he has absolutely no idea what double jeopardy means. It means that the government cannot try someone more than once for the same crime. There are some exception even to that narrow definition. Third, would he make the same argument for Sandusky? Why should he have been prosecuted? He's already been convicted in the court of public opinion, lost his position with his charity, and is going to lose plenty in civil cases.
But how many organizations should take a bite out of this bitter apple? Should the IRS audit everyone at Penn State just to show the IRS doesn't abide by pedophilia? Should the post office stop delivering mail for the same reason? No more cable for you, Penn State, because the cable company cannot sit idly after the atrocities committed on campus by Jerry Sandusky.
At the heart of this scandal was football. Illegal and amoral acts were committed, in large part for the perceived benefit to their football program. That is obviously relevant to the NCAA, which makes them completely unlike the organizations he listed. Whether any NCAA rules were broken is relevant. Perhaps if he had researched that he could make a coherent argument, or realize that he is completely wrong. He preferred to simply embarrass himself.
haven't gotten around to reading the Freeh Report yet?
That would explain their current position.
of Penn State. Let them have their football team, and all their other sports teams. I don't think the NCAA can or will sanction the university with loss of scholarships, bowl games, etc. But what should happen is a total media ban. Don't allow any team events to be televised or have radio broadcast. This will obviously Impact the teams that play PSU but the other schools could still have radio broadcast rights. With this ban, there will be no discussions about PSU and the legacy of Joe Paterno. No discussions about the scandal. I think they used this technique in past cultures to punish violations of law or policies. With no TV and radio exposure PSU becomes out of sight and out of mind for the fans and followers. It will hurt the school financially and force PSU to pay lawsuits with athletic money which will then impact facilities and improvements. If players still want to go to PSU they can. It's their choice. But they will not be seen on TV and the games will not be heard on radio. I know that in the age of technology people will find a way but there will be no "ESPN Game Day" or any other TV cews in the stadium. Let them be happy all alone in "Happy Valley".
I really like the thought behind this idea but what about opposing teams? If Michigan was at PSU then we couldn't watch?
That is something that can be done right now. It might not be fair for the team playing them but I wouldn't have watched that game anyway. I will not watch any game that they play. I thought that Penn State might be smart and try to self impose sanctions but with the comments about the statue and letting some time pass it is obvious that is not going to happen.
for urinating in public.
all paterno had to do as soon as he got wind of sandusky's behavior is point at him and say sick'm and he would have been locked up before anyone even knew what happened. get rid of that damn statue.
The death penalty is the right call in this situation. I realize it's unprecedented, but an example has to be made of penn state.
The statue should be melted down into a huge dildo which will be used to punish Sundusky, the President and the AD.
If the BOT won't take it down, an angry mob should gather around and take it down themselves. That man does not deserve a statue.
The scary thing in this case is that the angry mob actually supports that f*cker.
Leave the statue up, but make it more realistic.
Sneak in at night and weld a figure of a crying child clutching at Paterno's foot begging for mercy, while Paterno ignores him in favor of the football team and waves his finger in the air while doing it.
Just like what happened in real life.
huge mistake... I thought of the Saddam statue too, lol