OT: Northwestern: A group of players have hired a civil rights attorney

Submitted by Wendyk5 on July 17th, 2023 at 8:10 PM

Looks like the attorneys are getting involved from all sides. This is going to get ugly. The attorney the players hired is saying that this is a problem that extends far beyond Northwestern and it needs to be addressed. 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38024576/ex-northwestern-players-hire-ben-crump-chicago-firm-hazing-case

jmblue

July 17th, 2023 at 8:20 PM ^

I imagine more heads will roll and wonder if even the university president is safe.  His original decision to slap a two-week July suspension on Fitzgerald's wrist looks worse by the day.

JacquesStrappe

July 17th, 2023 at 8:34 PM ^

Michael Schill is safe. He just got there after Northwestern‘s incoming President, Rebecca Blank who was a former Dean of the Ford School, was slated to replace Morton Shapiro. Tragically, President-elect Blank got pancreatic cancer and died before she ever had a chance to take up the Presidency. Schill came aboard from the University of Oregon just recently. So, he in no way bears any culpability for the culture that festered in the program and is still just learning his way around Evanston.

jmblue

July 18th, 2023 at 10:41 PM ^

Only 12 players signed up.  Doesn't seem systemic at that level.

Flawed reasoning, for a few reasons:

1.  You're not going to have everyone come forward for something like this.  Some may not want to sue their own school, or just don't want to revisit a painful experience again.

2.  These players played across a 15+ year period.

3.  It's only been a few days.  

Oregon Wolverine

July 17th, 2023 at 8:44 PM ^

I'm a lawyer (M Law '91).  I understand this sentiment, especially in large plaintiffs' cases.  However, keep in mind that the fear that "writing big checks" is one of the only ways to hold systemic miscreants accountable and often to adequately fund rehabilitative efforts.  

Years ago there was a study of the effectiveness of the American system (plaintiffs lawyers and lawsuits) vs the Japanese system (heavy govt regulations).  Overwhelmingly the Japanese corporations favored the American system over heavy regulation.  So did the American corporations.  

The American system has many, many faults.  Most injustices go unrecompensed.  But the fear of the big paycheck is a motivator.  How effective is up for debate.  

 

PeteM

July 17th, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^

I was a year behind you in law school. My recollection (perhaps a bit hazy after 30 years) is that my torts professor, Rebecca Eisenberg, talked about how New Zealand had put hard caps on products liability damages. That meant that only the most clear-cut cases got filed, and also that American toy companies sold new toys in New Zealand as test before the US since if something happened to a kid there as result of a faulty design the damages would be low.

SalvatoreQuattro

July 17th, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^

After the Johnstown Flood in 1889 the owners of the South Fork Dam, the South Fork Fishing  and Hunting Club, were never held legally responsible for the disaster despite having made unwise alterations to the dam and failed to maintain it properly. 2200 dead and WW2-level of destruction to Johnstown. 
 

Members of the club included Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick.

 

energyblue1

July 18th, 2023 at 8:33 AM ^

The attempt to connect is real, cobwebs and all..   An older manager I had used to tell me responsibility lays where ever they can put it.  Doesn't matter if it's only connected with cob webs.  If that's the connection that's what they use...     Gist was keep clear.. 

MGlobules

July 18th, 2023 at 4:13 PM ^

That's not really a deduction you can make from my comment. Nor can you make any deduction about Warde from it. Only that Warde had his own awful scandal to deal with. He WAS criticized for not speaking out more strenuously, but I have no idea what all the internal pressures were.