OT: NHL Looking at the Playoff Picture Right Now
1. Pittsburgh is over matched vs Philadelphia and Marc Andre Fleury has lost his game in goal mentally.
2. Sidney Crosby is quickly becoming more of a goon than a professional player and can't compete well under frustration.
3. The Flyers are DAMN SCARY. Averaging around 5 goals a game in this series.
4. Vancouver without the other Sedin SUCK. Luongo has not looked good in net and the Canucks special teams are a travesty on the PP.
5. LA looks like the real deal in the West with Kopitar and Quick.
6. Detroit's age has finally caught up to them and our new guys can't seem to out do the Predators lineup of Erat, Weber and Rinne. Even though we out shoot them.
7. Ottawa might be stronger than what people are giving them credit for winning in OT. They fought the Rangers hard in game 2.
8. Washington has some momentum going back to the capital with the series tied. 1-1.
9. SJ and St Louis match up well against one another and it's likely going to come down to a 7th game.
10. Hawks now have momentum going back to Chicago with Crawford playing amazing in net vs Phoenix.
11. Florida will most likely lose in 5 to the Devils who overall are out shooting the Panthers with the series now going to NJ.
My finals prediction thus far. LA Kings vs Philadelphia Flyers or a rematch of 2010 with Chicago vs Philadelphia. Your thoughts?
I can't stand the Penguins. Crosby is such a punk.
Then he waits for the ref to come over and break it up before he starts throwing haymakers at the back of Giroux's head.
Edit: Why can't I get it to start at 2:16??
There is absolutely no defense being played in this series. The Flyers do look scary, but that brand of defense, or lack of defense, will not prevail against a western conference team....
That style of defense won't hold up against the Bruins or Rangers
Yeah, the Rangers went 6-0-0 against the Flyers in the regular season. They won 2-0, 4-2, 3-2, 5-2, 5-2, and 5-3.
Plus Bryzgalov can't carry the Flyers very far. His stats are almost identical to last years stats, except for the W/L column. The Flyers are very lucky they got in the Pens head early on and threw them off. But when they go against the Bruins or Rangers, they're not going to be able to out-physical them, and when Bryz doesn't have his team spotting him a 3 goal lead they will crumble
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Crosby is doing what he's doing because there are goons out there taking cheap shots at him.
The penguins will be back. They have 2/5 of the top five players in the league in Crosby and Malkin.
I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment of Crosby. He has 5 points in 3 games. I hate the guy, but still.
Luongo has looked fine in net, team just sucks.
Dustin Brown is the guy along with Quick leading that team, not Kopitar.
He's playing a physical game and he gets battered around. Crosby needs to stick up for himself, and he does. Sure he talks a lot, but you say he cross checks, picks fights etc. He gets it way worse than he gives.
I hate Crosby also, but your criticism is unwarranted. Kid is still by far the best player in hockey by a longshot, and is far from a goon. I know a lot of you guys hate Crosby because of his role in the Olympics (I hate him also) but you are letting your hate blind you from the truth.
It has nothing to do with the Olympics. He runs his mouth and by stick up for himself you mean slash and pick fights after the whistle but never actually take the gloves off. He'll wrap a guy up then when his teammates see come swarming in on the other guy.
He is giving what he is getting. And saying he is a more than a goon than anything is utterly ridiculous. Might not be Olympics, but probably him beating the Wings in the Cup. And you say he picks fights, Giroux was just as instrumental in that fight as Crosby was, so not sure what you are saying. In the third he got in a scuffle with Schenn, Schenn cross checked Crosby from behind about a week ago for no reason.
Lots of guys out there talking, using their sticks. Crosby is one of the few who backs it up. You hate him because he is good, not because he talks. Lots of players on the Wings over the years who did the exact same thing, and I highly doubt you hate them.
Case and point Franzen spearing someone on the bench, no one here saying anything about that.
I'm with you. Of course he does some talking and gets physical but the most talented players get stuff like that a lot more than they give it. I don't understand how anyone can think the guy is not one of the best players in the game. You can dislike him if you want, although I disagree with some people's reasoning, but when he has been healthy the Penguins are a different team.
I used to love watching Crosby play. He's such an outrageous talent. He's become a total pest though. It's telling when the rest of the league doesn't respect a player. Why can a guy like Datsyuk consistently win the Lady Bing but Crosby is drawn into this nonsense? He doesn't back it up like you are portraying it; he acts like a 12 year old out there, rabbit punching guys and running away.
It's quotes like this, regardless of his actual skill/athleticism that makes me shake my head.
Of course, what we all know here about MSM taking things out of context could play a factor, but having 19 and 5 as captains here for the Wings, you come to appreciate a captain acting like a CAPTAIN, and letting the McCartys and Kronwalls of the NHL-world be the voice-via-fist.
And by Cindy's count, that's 20 "mistakes" in 3 games, right?
Sorry, but what's wrong with Crosby saying that?
to apologize, Papa.
To me, as captain, just stick to "we need to work harder, hustle more, concentrate (concentrateconcentrate)" line of sports quoting. To say that every goal scored by the other team was a result of your own teams errors is pretty weak, to both your team-mates and the opposition. (If that line was supposed to rally the Pens on Sunday, didn't look like it met the objective, eh?) (And then what does the opponent say to that? That every Pen goal was a result of a Flyer fumble?)
Just my $0.02. YMMV.
He's done just that in the media for the entirety of his career up until this year after he came back the second time and was excoriated for being "boring" and just giving "talking points". Now, he exhibits a bit more passion and you guys give him shit for that, too. The reality is, no matter what Crosby does, you guys that don't like him are going to give him shit.
Also, for what it's worth...
"To say that every goal scored by the other team was a result of your own teams errors is pretty weak, to both your team-mates and the opposition."
That isn't what he said. Go back and actually watched the interview instead of just cherry picking one part of it. The entire thing is readily available and he didn't say what you've said.
Crosby and Datsyuk are different players. Their styles of play leads one to get beaten on a lot more than the other.
If you're going to criticize a player, at least get the facts straight. Crosby didn't pull anyone's hair. That was Craig Adams. Of course there's zero chance that you'll acknowledge your mistake.
I agree with most of it, but without some spectacular saves by Rinne and a couple lucky bounces for the Preds, the series could be 2-1 Wings right now.
If Kevin Klein doesn't tip that rebound shot away from the empty net or Franzen's shot goes in (literally) .2 seconds more quickly, I would think the 3rd period plays out much differently. I think the Wings are just playing against a decent team with a great goalie. Keep playing like the third period and I feel like the pucks will start going in the net.
impressed with Nyquist, I think he is going to be a nice player. But the other three you mentioned are shitting the bed right now, stupid, stupid plays by them. Our D is a big need to address in the off season.
I think Ericsson has actually been playing better than he has before. He's still not living up to his huge potential, but it's better at least. The biggest problem has been Stuart. I don't know if his head is already back in California or what, but he's been a huge problem. In both losses, he's been on the ice for every Nashville goal
The Franzen no-goal was set up when the Preds got a penalty with like 15-20 seconds left in the period, BUT a full second ran off the clock after the ref blew his whistle to call the penalty. Had the time been rightfully put back up, that would have been a good goal. If that happened in Nashville I would be furious, but it still sucks that it happened.
-The Flyers are not that scary long term. Averaging just over 6.5 goals is not sustainable in the NHL playoffs. Their goaltending is shaky at best right now.
-Not sold on the age thing with Detroit. The Wings out played them in 2 of 3 games but trail 2-1. That's playoff hockey for you.
-Still not ready to put the Kings anywhere past the 2nd round. Even though they beat the 1 seed you have to remember that they are an 8 seed for a reason.
-Finally momentum is seemingly worthless in hockey. Remember when Detroit beat the Pens 5-0 in game 5 of the Stanley Cup finals and lost the next two games 2-1? Yay momentum!
I love watching the Flyers play because Peter Laviolette coaches such a great style of hockey. It seems like every year he has the best passing team in the NHL, and when a team can pass that good it's a beautiful thing to watch.
Not going to give much analysis, but the playoffs have been incredible so far. Not alot of blowouts and every game is very competitive and entertaining. Maybe too much gooning going on, but that happens every playoffs it seems.
Briere, Neal, Quick, Dustin Brown have been the best players I've seen so far this year. Very impressive.
I don't think I'd call him a goon
The word is pest. Goons drop the gloves.
Started at least 2 fights that I remember, and he didn't even fight. He'd start something and then run away. It's terrible PR for the NHL that the star they chose to get behind isn't respected by his peers, doesn't handle the physical aspects of the game at all, has missed most of the last 2 seasons (not his fault) and was behaving so poorly on national TV yesterday. He needed to get his ass kicked and he kept starting stuff and then running away.
The bitterness runs deep in you guys.
That we're .500 against him in Cup Finals?
We get it. You're a Pens slappy. That's great. Crosby acts like a bitch. End of story. No one hates Malkin and the Wings have the same record against him, too.
I hate the Pens and Crosby a lot also. Just don't let ridiculous bias get in the way of assessing his play.
I am a Leafs fan (yes it sucks dick), far from a Pens slappy.
By you guys, do you mean the board in general, Wings fans, most NHL fans, or many NHL players, because all of the aforementioned groups seem to think Crosby is a bitch?
I played in the CHL and am still pretty well connected with guys I used to play with that are currently in the NHL and you know nothing bloggers crack me up. Who have you spoken to that says Crosby isn't well respected by his peers? He isn't liked by red wing fans nad it ends there I'm sorry to say. Neg away if you want, but what I am saying comes from NHLer's themselves, not some whiney fans. Honestly, your bitching about Crosby is a joke...grow up.
Oh, and just so you know I am not a penquins fans I am a habs fans, and damned ashamed to admit it.
And I don't like watching Crosby play. Watching him play it's obvious that other players don't respect him. Do you think any of the greats got as much shit as he does? He plays dirty, bitchy hockey and doesn't fight for himself. It's obvious when others on the ice respect you, and obvious when they don't. Look at the clip above of him suckerpunching players from behind. If you want to be mentioned with the Gretzkys of the world, you don't do stuff like that. The few times it got to the point where he would fight someone, he ducked out.
On a side note, sorry about your Habs. I have no idea how they can right the ship moving forward. Definitely looks like they bet on the wrong horse when they let Halak go.
"The few times it got to the point where he would fight someone, he ducked out."
You're flat out lying or you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that it's the later, most likely due the fact that you (maybe) see the Penguins play two or three times a year and the rest comes from "highlights" you selectively seek out on Youtube. Either way, what you've said is laughably wrong.
basically I said my piece and should probably leave it at that, but I will add one more post and be done with it.
First of all Crosby has fought on several occasions in his career and actually fair pretty well when doing so. Again, I am not a penguins fan, but my brother is and he steered me to highlights of Crosby's fights and he isn't the pansy you guys are making him out to be.
As for the Gretzky comment you clearly didn't watch much of his game. Now I will admit I am a huge Gretzky fan, he was my childhood hero (from a sporting perspective) and he was targeted in nearly the exact same way Crosby is by opposing teams. Why do you think all the teams he played for sign guys like Mcsorley and Flemenko? They did so to try and keep the cheap shots at a minimum.
On the topic of Gretzky, he also stuck his nose in after the whistle and got in a few fights in his career. Honestly it seems like you guys are just throwing a lot of shit at a wall and seeing what sticks, because most of what you are complaining about is completely untrue. Crosby has been man enough to stick up for himself (because his team has no one like Gretzky had that will do his dirty work for him), so why can't you all just be man enough to admit that your problem is you don't like players who beat your teams.
My final addition to this thread will be this: As I said already, I still have numerous friends playing in the NHL who I talk to on a fairly regular basis (by regular I mean regularly a few times a year, not daily or anything). Two of those a currently on the Flyers (Hartnell and Shelley). Last summer I played in a golf tournament with both of them and this very topic came up because as I said, my brother is a huge pens fan (and he was playing with us). We spoke about what kind of rivalry it was between the pens and flyers and whether the hate you see on TV is real. Both of them said it was very intense to the point where the teams really don't even like eachother off the ice either.
When asked specifically about Crosby (by my brother who was fishing for a confrontational debate by this time) Hartnell verified what I already knew and that was that Crosby is one of the few top flight players that actually sticks up for himself (mostly because of what I mentioned earlier in that they have no one to do it for him) and is a pretty tough SOB as Hartnell put it. He continued to say that it is because of the respect everyone has for him that they focus on him so much and give him the cheapshots people here are trying to use as evidence that he isn't respected. In fact the opposite is true. It is the respect they have for him that leads to that. They are trying anything they can to get him off his game and they know, that unlike many other high skill players, Crosby will actually drop the gloves sometimes.
They only negative thing they said about him (and remember these are guys who openly despise him as a rival player) is that he is undisciplined sometimes. Not in a cheapshot sort of way, but in a way that he WILL fight and in so doing end up in the box which is every teams goal. They both openly said he is regarded by his peers as the best player in the NHL and it isn't even a debate, they all agree he is the best all around player in the league.
Now you will probably all read this and choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit with what you want to believe about the guy and that's fine by me. I just couldn't sit by in yet ANOTHER thread and listen to a bunch of butt hurt fans make baseless complaints about a player they know nothing about. Neg away.
Oh, and as for my Habs...Their biggest mistake has been their continued misses when hiring GM's. Honestly I have not seens such an inept organization over the past decade. But that is my curse...I am a fan of the Habs, Raptorsand Blue Jays. Until J.P. Richardi (or however you spell the asses name) was fired by the Jays I was cheering for the three worst managed teams in sports. NOw the new GM for the Jays deserves a medal just for getting the poor angels to take Wells off their hands. That was perhaps the most one sided deal I have seen in my history of watching sports (about 35 years). Thanks Heavens for my true love in sports...The Michigan Wolverine Football Team! If it wasn't for them my sports fandom would truley be horrible. Go Blue!
that your friends are so sold on Crosby in relation to Ovechkin. I don't consider myself a Crosby hater (in fact I think he's a top-two forward), but it's a bit surprising to me if it's "[not] even a debate".
Do you think that has to do with Ovechkin's real lack of discipline, his teams lack of success, building Crosby up in their minds a bit over the past two seasons, focusing on Crosby more because of the rivalry/dislike, or what? I don't mean to say nobody can make a case that Crosby is the top forward, only that it doesn't seem so cut and dry to me, especially when you take Malkin and the rest of the Pens out of the comparison.
and my analysis of his game coupled with that is that he is the best "all around" player in the game. The reason it isn't a debate is most of the other players in the NHL who can compare (but are still not up to his level IMHE or the opinions of those I know) to Crosby offensively aren't comparable defensively. The three that are closest to Crosby in offensive Talent in the NHL in my opinion are Stamkos, Ovechkin and Malkin, but none are on the same level defensively as a forward. Then you have a guy like Toews who is pretty damn good offensively and very good defensively (comparable to Crosby in that area of his game). Offensively he just isn't quite on the same level though, damn good, but not as good.
I think you could look at Stamkos, Malkin and Ovechkin and give reasonable arguementa why they are on the same level as Crosby offensively. I think you could look at Toews and argue why he is on the same level defensively. The problem is none of those guys are at his level in both those areas.
Also, I just mentioned Shelley and Hartnell because they play for Philly, I have quite a few other firends I keep in contact with from the NHL who are of the same opinion they are where the top player in the league is concerned. Also, I would definitely not say it is a caseof them building him up in their head over the past couple of years because if anything the last couple of years would hurt that cause given that he has played so sparingly.
I guess that is just a long winded way of saying I agree with you in that Crosby could be compared reasonably to a select few in terms of offensive prowess, but it is his combination of defensive play and his all around game that have caused his peers to consider him the best player in the league. If you were going strictly on offensive wow factor I would say that Ovechkin could get the edge.
Just wanted to clarify that it's because Crosby hasn't played much in the past two years that the "legend" or "mystique" or whatever grows. I would venture to say most people have inflated ideas of the reality of Gretzky's game, Jordan's game, Bo's coaching, ect. because we're separated from their playing/coaching days.
As I was writing my response to you I thought that may have been what you were getting at but figured I was wrong and took it the other way. However, I do think that it would take longer than two seasons for his absence to have that effect, but that is just speculation on my part.
"started at least two fights that I can remember, and he didn't even fight"
Curious that he had a fighting major in game three if what you've said is true (hint: it's not).
The Penguins are not there mentally on defense. My mouth especially dropped a little when Orpik and Crosby totally whiffed on coverage that lead to the sixth(?) Flyer goal. The Flyers are playing well, but the Penguins' D is making them look really good.
What Pittsburgh did yesterday was embarrassing. National TV, down 2-0, need a win, and that's what you do? Awful. Crosby has shown that he's quite happy to start scuffles and get out of the way and let someone fight for him, and the NHL did not need that PR black eye. Yes, casual fans love the fighting, but it crossed a line. It was out of control. I've been a hockey fan forever and I was turned off by how dirty that game got.
Elsewhere: The Wings do need to step it up, need a win in the next game, I doubt they'd win the series if they go back to Nashville down 3-1. The Canucks do look awful, but part of that is Quick, he's playing really well. Hopefully my Blackhawks keep it going, we also don't want to go back to Phoenix 2-2.
And finally, what the hell is wrong with Shanahan. There has been NO rhyme or reason to his rulings. 3 games for Hagelin? ZERO for Webber? Especially since that guy who jumped the Rangers guy only got one game. I'm interested to see what happens to Shaw, I didn't think his hit on Smith was malicious. Dangerous, yes, malicious, no. I didn't think he targeted the head and he did get a game misconduct already (more than Webber got for targeting the head twice). And let's see what he does with the Penguins, who were definitely intending to injure. I get that he wants resultant injuries to be a factor in suspensions... but you have to punish the action not just the outcome.
I suppose you missed where Crosby, on two separate occasions in game three, challenged Flyers to fight and they declined (it doesn't take any special skill to read the lips of Crosby saying "do you want to go?" and to read the lips of the two Flyers players say "no" and then skate away)? That's what what makes all of the complaining you guys are doing so hilarious. If he doesn't fight he's a "pussy", as many of you have stated, but if he still proceeded to fight those two guys when they said no you'd be jumping all over him and calling him a cheap goon, as many of you have stated. It's awfully hard to be both, especially when he's one of the relatively few players in the playoffs this year with a fighting major.
When are the "Wings are old" and "Wings aren't tough enough" cliches going to disappear? I think the Wings have looked pretty damn good this postseason. They are controlling the tempo, creating more chances, and wining the battles on the boards.
Their two biggest problems have been faceoffs and staying out of the box. Even though their penalty kill has been very effective, when they are short-handed, they are unable to control the puck and create their own chances.
But it's hockey. The best team doesn't always win. Just gotta keep controlling what you can, and hopefully good things will happen. If they don't, well, it just wasn't your time.
And sometimes, you double post. Gosh darn it to heck.
ALWAYS been a little b*tch when things don't go his way.
Flyers / Pens is a bloodbath.
Makes me long for the days when the Avs could put a decent team on the ice.
McCarty / Lemieux. Good battles. Good times.
As Mgoblog's probable only Panther fan, I think the Devils are far from a lock to win the series, let alone in 5. The Devils have outplayed the Cats in 1 of 6 periods, the 1st of the first game. They garnered 26 of those shots that have them leading in that category there alone. I think its fair to chalk that up to nerves in the Panthers first playoff game since Tom Brady was slinging the ball for Michigan.
Brodeur is a shell of his former self and NJ's #1 PK has been picked apart by the Panthers so far with ease.
Panthers in 6, bring on the rats!
I would argue that the Devil's outplayed the Panthers in the third period yesterday by a wide margin. The thing with the Devils is that there is no rhyme or reason to their play. They came out with absolutely no punch at all and looked lost for two periods. Their forecheck was awful and no one got back on defense in transition. Then in the third period they pushed the play and came close to tying it on a few occasions. I think the series goes 7.
And Brodeur may not be the player he was ten years ago, but he is still more than capable of stealing a couple games. It's not like he has played poorly so far. He had no chance on the first two yesterday and the third one wasn't a great goal to give up, but it also was one of those that handcuff a goalie and are tough to pull in.
Haha, where was the Panthers fan in the open thread yesterday? You guys could start your own private thread because there's not a lot of outside interest in that series.
Poppycock! We could fill a whole arena with the combined might of our fanbases. Well, maybe Yost.
The Devils have some serious talent. When they turn it on, they can play with anyone in the league. But for some reason they are incredibly inconsistent in games. You're right about Brodeur too. He may not be the best in the world anymore, but he is still pretty damn good and is an asset still.
I'm curious as to your take on all of the Crosby complaining going on in here. Just curious. I'm also curious to hear more from Blue in Yarmouth.
I don't see you post much but many of the posts I have read of your lead me to believe a couple of things:
1) you are a pens fan
2) you actually know a bit about hockey.
I have replied previously in the thread and that is going to be my last post on the Crosby thing because I don't enjoy talking to myself very much and we both know that on this blog (on this debate) that is basically what I am doing.
I will say that even though you are a pens fan your bias hasn't really shown in your assessment of Crosby's game as it isn't far off what my firends in the NHL think of the guy. They all say he is the best player in the league, he's well respected and he doesn't take a lot of shit like many other skill player in the league.
On a side note, I have had the opportunity to meet the kid on a few seperate occasions as he hails from my home province. The perception of the majority of the people on this blog couldn't be further from the truth when it comes to Crosby.
Also, since you're a pens fan I have to just say something that has puzzled me ever since it occurred...Can you explain how it is that the GM for the Pens actually picked Staal over Toews? Can you imagine a team with Malkin, Crosby and Toews? I mean, don't get me wrong Staal is a talent, but Toews would have given the penguins probably 3 of the top five forwards in the NHL. Hindsight is a great thing...
Seriously, thank you for your contributions to this thread. I, for one, really appreciate it. And thank you for the kind words, too. Two things I do want to note, because I'm sure it's easy for many to say "well, he's just a Pens fan, so of course he likes Crosby" are (1) I'm actually as big of a Red Wings fan as I am a Penguins fan (I grew up in Michigan and have spent a good chunk of my adult life in Pennsylvania) and (2) I'm really just a fan of hockey in general (I'm willing to stake a large sum of money that I've watched more of this year's playoff games than almost anyone else posting here - I've missed: the Boston and Rangers games from last night (I was finishing my taxes and I forgot to set the DVR)). I think that's where I come from a different perspective than a lot of people who are posting in here. They've seen Crosby play maybe (and this may be generous) twenty full games during the entirety of his career (thirteen of which would, logically, come from two lengthy SCF series). I've heard enough of the constant, totally off base, criticisms of his game to know that no one who actually watches games (rather than just highlights) and makes those criticisms can remotely be taken seriously. In fact, the only reason I even respond to people like that is so that other people who might read their posts don't take their comments as representative of reality. The one thing I would really love to know, but will never get a real answer, is where all of that irrational hate and venom actually comes from. I don't think it's fair to say that it comes from the SCF match ups, because I've heard it from fans of enough other teams to think that there is something much more to it. Regardless, it's not based in rational thought and, as you've so clearly said, it's not representative of what people who are actually in the game believe. Seriously, your posts on this have been incredibly insightful. I just hope that people give them an honest read and open their mind to the fact that much of what they subjectively believe doesn't mesh with the objective reality. So, again, thank you.
Your question about Staal is a great one and it's one that I've yet to hear a real firm answer on. The speculation, though, is that they did what everyone would consider "unthinkable" with that high of a pick: used that choice to fit a need, rather than pick the best player available. Everything on that, at least as far as I've heard, is just speculation, though. There were rumors have swirled about three things, though: (1) they liked Staal's size/skill combination and his defensive abilities (which they were right about), (2) they thought they could transition Staal to wing (something that they've tried to do every single off season he's been in Pittsburgh, but hasn't worked, and is probably largely given up on at this point) and (3) they didn't think they'd ultimately be able to keep Toews long term because of the other contracts they were projecting at that time (which they were probably right about). I agree that Crosby, Malkin and Toews would have been a (near) dream combination, but I think that's easy to say in hindsight, because they were probably correct on "(3)" in that they probably wouldn't still have Toews (or one of the others) by this point, had they drafted him instead. With hindsight, I think the best thing they could have done with that pick is traded down, rather than drafting Toews, because I don't think any of the other guys that were available to them, and went in the top ten selections, would have been the right long term fit (it's easy to say that Toews, Backstrom or Kessel would have been easy picks, but none of them fit that matrix they were looking for). Ultimately, though, and this speaks to how that draft turned out, in my opinion, the best player who will come out of that draft is currently playing against the Penguins: Claude Giroux.
I figured they must have been thinking longer term and the ability to be able to keep the three of them together coupled with the fact that they would have had 3 first line centers on a team. Staal is a very good player and fills a key role for the pen's, it's just hard not to imagine what a team with Crosby, Malkin and Toews could do.
I think you're pretty close to the mark in your pick of who you think will ultimately be the best player from that draft class. I would make a case for Toews, but I would put Giroux a very close second. It's funny because I didn't follow much of his Jr. career, but watched him in the world juniors and wasn't terribly impressed. Having had a few seasons to watch him progress I can't emphasize how poorly I judged his talent. That also pains me to say because even though I have friends on the flyers, as a team I can't stand them. Since the days of Bobby Clark and his crew I have disliked them and watched as they turned many good hockey players into goons. I just wish my friends would sign for someone else.
I will also say that I have a hard job understanding the hatred towards Crosby as well. I mean, I know he helped beat the wings once and missed shaking Lidstroms hand, but seriously, it has to be more than that. As I said, my brother is a pens fan and has a very nice home theatre so I often go over to watch pens games with him and have had the chance to see quite a bit of Crosby's games in the NHL. What they are all complaining about isn't based on reality at all, it's a complete mystery to me. Having met him a few times in person I can also say that it isn't related to his off ice personality either as the guy is about as unassuming a professional athlete as I have ever encountered. Very modest, very respectful and approachable. The only thing that pissed me off about him was that he had the nerve to call me Mr. ______ when we were first introduced....I was only 34 at the time, but that made me feel old.
I hear you on your sentiment about the Philadelphia organization. There are actually a number of players that I appreciate who play there (e.g. Giroux and Hartnell, mainly), but something about that organization just seems to bring out the worst in players. Trust me, I can see why you'd like your friends to sign elsewhere. Giroux is a foregone conclusion to be in Philadelphia for a long time, but I'm actually really curious to see what Hartnell decides to do with his next contract after next season. He's been a clutch player for them, but at the price he'll command, given their cap situation, I could see next season being his last in Philadelphia.
I had a good laugh out of the Crosby calling you "Mr." story. I often find it curious how people use that term. I'm in my early 30s, and my line of work brings me in contact with a lot of older people, and it always catches me off guard to be referred to as "Mr." by someone who's like 90. I've also had it go the other way, though, like you said, where it comes from a younger person, and my reaction (internally) is always "why did you have to go and say that". Haha.
One last thing: seriously, thank you so much for your contributions to this thread and all of the other hockey threads. I've always enjoyed reading what both you and Jim Lahey have to say on anything hockey related.
It isn't very often we get to talk hockey on this site but I definitely enjoy it when we do. I love this site and the chance it gives me to interact with others who share my passion for UM football, but one thing that has driven me nuts ever since the pens beat the wings in the cup final is the constant Crosby bashing that goes on.
Sometimes I just leave the threads without saying anything because I know how it is going to turn out, but others (like this time) I get too fed up to do that.
What I find so amazing about it is these people don't even know the guy and also barely follow his career, yet they feel they know enough to talk such shit about him. I've played against some pretty dirty players in my time and I never took any of it personally. I didn't hate the guys or even dislike them. I didn't particularly like playing against them, but it ended there. Once the game was over they were just another person. It astounds me how fans can conjure up such a personal distain for someone they don't even know and haven't even met.
Let's be honest too, it isn't like he is a Claude Lemieux. I just don't get it. Having met him I can honestly say that he is completely different than the perception people here have of him. He's a good kid with alot of pressure on him and I think he handles it pretty damn well from what I have witnessed.
The last thing I will say about this whole thread is that people constantly get jumped on on this blog for throwing around things like O$U and the like. People say "we're better than that" and things of that nature. Yet when some clown calls Crosby Cindy they think it is funny. Well I have to say that I thought the people on this blog were better than that, but I guess I was wrong.
I was at both games this weekend! I'm a Wings fan, but since moving to south Florida I've become an honorary Panthers fan... I'd love to see more playoff hockey down here, but honestly I see the Devils winning in six
A third Panther fan here, but this statement shows the major problem with South Florida sports fans. Everyone is a damn transplant, which leads to a lot of bangwagon fans.
Not really that news worthy, but the Wings have brought up 11 players from Grand Rapids to serve as Black Aces.
Fowards: Joakim Andersson, Louis-Marc Aubry, Fabian Brunnstrom, Francis Pare and Tomas Tatar.
Defense: Travis Ehrhardt, Garnet Exelby, Doug Janik, Brian Lashoff and Brendan Smith
Goalie: Tom McCollum
The Griffins coaching staff is also going to join as assistants.
As long as the Penguins or Blackhawks don't win, I'm satisfied.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in Game 4 between the Pens and Flyers, especially since Pittsburgh is looking at the real possibility of missing Neal, Asham, and Adams. Ever since the end of the first period in Game 1, the Penguins have been trying to beat the Flyers at their own game rather than play the style which got them to the precipice of a conference title despite missing Crosby for most of the season. The Flyers have to love it
For a team that was supposed to have a huge advantage defensively and in net, they've been absolutely appalling in their own zone. Almost every single goal the Flyers have scored (20! In only 3 games!) has been because everyone on the Penguins just stands there like a traffic cone. And for as good as Fleury can be when he's on his game, he's been one of the worst goalies I've seen in the playoffs in a while. Not that Bryzgalov is playing much better, but he does have that sparking 3-0 record this year.
I don't think Philly makes it much past this first round (assuming they don't blow a 3-0 lead, which is entirely possible with these two teams), but if they can figure out how to cut down on their own defensive miscues, they've got as strong a team as anyone else this year.
I think they had a great game 1 to make the comeback and it totally rattled the penguins who have now allowed 8 goals in two consecutive games to Philly. I think it's more indicative of Pittsburgh getting jumped on way more than they expected and they're not there mentally anymore.
This is accurate regarding this series. I literally laughed out Los at the OP's characterization of this series. I suppose it's a fair summation of the series, though, if you've only watched highlights of it, rather than the actual games (which is what I'd justifiably expect from most everyone who posts here since all but one of those games have been on at the same time as the Wings games). The Crosby goon and frustration comments, as they relate to this series, are proof enough that the only game in this series those people have watched is game three, as there was absolutely none of that from him in either of the first two games. Calling the Flyers scary is also pretty funny since there've given up a ton of goals themselves and have been awful on the power play. Further indication of commenters having not watched the games. Your point about the game one come back is on the money, coupled with the game two comeback. Giving up huge leads like that two games in a row at home would doom most any team. This series is a good combination of Philadelphia being a competent playoff team and pittsburgh being more or less terrible. I don't expect that Philadelphia will make it out of the next round unless their defense starts playing much better.
Hahaha, I don't think the Flyers are going to fare too well the rest of the playoffs, but to say they've been awful on the power play is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. I don't care how bad the Penguins PK has looked this series, going 6/10 (against a team that allowed opponents to convert 12.2% in the regular season) is the exact opposite of awful.
I meant to say on the penalty kill. I agree, saying their power play has been awful would be laughable. It's been great. That was definitely a "I was typing it on my phone and didn't proof it" mistake, but I deserve to be made fun of for that one. Laughably bad mistype on my part...
Not sure I agree with your view of the Red Wings. That series is pretty even and the Wings are peppering the shit out of Pekka, that dude is a beast, 6'5 goalie who can move like that is tough for anyone. Not sure why you think they cant keep up? They are in the Predators zone most of the games.
Rematch of the 2010 Stanley Cup Final.
The OP is very smart and right in thinking this way.
They have a bunch of bitches that finally got called out. Eventually a girls attitude trumps her fake tits.
As a Hawks fan I've seen a lot of Rinne this year and he is good. Really, really good. I want nothing to do with Rinne and I'm really glad that the NHL reseeds playoffs.
About the Caps/Bruins:
Holtby and Thomas are both playing out of their minds. Holtby looks like he's freaking out whenever a shot comes in, but hey, he's making the saves. Crazy amazing poise for a 22 year old with 19 NHL games prior to the playoffs.
Caps are playing some great defense and 2 way hockey, I remember Semin, who is not at all known for anything slightly resembling defense, diving to stop a maybe breakaway and diving in front of shots. Bruins are doing their usual good job playing D and Chara and Seidenberg are shutting down Ovechkin's line. Caps put their best playmaker Backstrom on their second line with Semin and as you can tell in the first two games, its working pretty well.
This series is great and can go either way. Caps should play great at home as usual. They're equalling the Bruins rough and physical play
My homer pick, Caps in 6. Take both games at home, give one back to Boston then win it on home ice.
I'll take that. I'm proud of my caps so far. I'm hoping they can keep up the good fight.
We haven't had one of those wacky upset-filled years where we get a bunch of lower seeds playing the second round in a while, but this looks like it's shaping up to be one of those. Out of the 8 teams seeded 1-4, only Nashville is leading their series. Vancouver is about to be the first 1 seed to get swept since the current format started in 1994.
I don't expect the Wings to win another game. You can outshoot the other team 45-25, but if you give up shots on odd man rushes you're going to give up goals. For the past 6-7 weeks, they have hardly ever shown up in the first period of games. They look like they expect to just throw their jockstraps out there and win. Then they fall behind by two or three goals, and they do an "oh shit" and they dominate the third period. Usually, they come up short. Headline at The Detroit News says "Red Wings seek better start in Game 4". Boy that sure seems familiar.
If the Wings don't get out of the first round, it's time to take that as a sign that some changes are needed. That will make the third year in a row where the Wings don't even look like a contender. A decade of trading away draft picks and never getting a Top 10 pick is catching up with them.
The 2010 Playoffs featured seeds 4, 6, 7, and 8 in the 2nd round of the Eastern Conference and 7 vs. 8 in the Eastern Conference Finals.
And once again, I'm getting sick of people sayin the Wings are old, and changes need to be made. They've been "old" for 20 years. They've won 4 of the last 15 cups. I like the current formula, and the current crop of young guys (Emmerton, Nyquist, Mursak, et. al) look pretty good. With money to spend this offseason (a rarity), they will make the necessary changes to bolster their lineup like always.
I'm going to be honest. The Red Wings are the only organization that I have never once questioned a personnel or coaching decision. I'm 24 (like Pat Stansik!), so I wasn't around during the Dead Wings time. But in my lifetime, I have never been able to question them. Same can't be said for Michigan, Tigers, Pistons, Lions, etc.
Best organization in sports. If they see a change, they will make it. But the current formula will never change, nor should it.
They are the best organization in sports, but even the best organization can't keep striking gold in the late rounds in the draft year after year. When people talk about the Wings' drafting prowess, they use the same examples (Holmstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk) that they used five years ago.
In 2001, I thought that the Wings were getting too old, but they salvaged it by getting some big time free agents (Hull and Robataille). They also got a young guy named Datsyuk. With the salary cap, they can't just go and get anyone that they want now.
I thought that they might have been on the decline after 2004, but Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Franzen sort of rescued the franchise. There are no young Datsyuks, Zetterbergs, or Franzens in the organization now. I haven't seen one guy under 25 in the organization who I think is a Top 6 caliber forward. All of the young guys like Nyquist, Emmerton, Conner, Mursak, etc didn't do much the past few years when the Wings were riddled with injuries and desperately needed guys to contribute.
IMHO they need to evaluate a few guys and make some changes in the lineup. Let Stuart go. Let Hudler go. Lidstrom and Holmstrom will probably retire. Put a couple more guys out there for trade to clear up some cap space. Get at least one Top 6 free agent forward and a top 2 defenseman -- guys who have never won a Stanley Cup and are hungry.
The Bruins need Krejci and Seguin to step up. That's the key. Both have to stick their noses into things and the Bruins will win this series. I think the defense has played well, even Corvo and Zanon. Thomas has been playing out of his mind. They need to disrupt Holtby. The Caps do not have a good defense. Mike Green? Dennis Wideman?
The Bruins offense is better than what it showed in the first two games. Hopefully they're motivated to bring it on. They're the defending Cup champions. They have to play like it.
Great win for the B's, but not near where they want to be in terms of style of pace/and dictating play. Can't not be happy with a lead in the series though. Big win.
Hoping Wings can win Game 4, don't want to see that team in a 3-1 hole again
Bruins and Caps is a good series.
LOL at Don Cherry's comments tonight on Crosby in game three. Good stuff, right there...
Crosby most certainly instigates fights when he's frustrated and then barely drops the gloves. He acts like a tough guy when he should be a finesse player. If he played without speaking and was a quiet leader, he would be a legend. Instead, he slashes at the goalie's glove 4 times because he's angry he hit the side of the net, then takes cheap shots when the Flyers surround him. They didn't even throw the first punch, which you can bet your ass I would (and did) if someone slashed my goalie's glove even once after the puck's covered. Crosby's captainship is a joke sometimes.
Let's see some YouTube examples of this goalie glove slashing that you're alleging. If it's such a rampant problem, as you make it out to be, it shouldn't be hard to find multiple examples. I've seen almost every game of his professional career and I haven't seen him do anything like that, any differently than any other player, anyway.