loved the Jack/Locke stuff. Pretty powerful episode.
OT: LOST- The Candidate
Saddest LOST ever... My wife was balling(me)...
I mean, that scene was incredible. I was watching it with a girl who I've only gone on a couple dates with, who doesn't watch the show, and, umm, if I'd been alone, I'm pretty sure the waterworks would've just flooded. It was hard to hold it back. That was...wow. I really, really, really hope the sideways world is where they end up. Christ.
over a bad tv show?
Lost is the best TV show that has ever been on network television, flat out. And though that statement is a matter of opinion, this one is not: Lost is an objectively good TV show, and your opinion is wrong. Feel free to continue to hold it though.
Spoken like someone who has never burnt down a banana stand full of money, just to prove a point.
I have the worst F'n attorneys......
He made a huge mistake
not agree with you, I'll defend your right to say this to the death.
Who the hell even knows what is going on that show
While I was mgoblogging, my gf and her female friend were watching Lost last night. Neither of them cried. Using the transitive property, this makes you a pussy.
No one calls The Shredder a pussy... NO ONE! Do not shame my LOST Honor!
We're definitely barreling towards the finale, people were dropping like flies tonight.
And the ending was up there with the Constant for emotional intensity.
That's definitely how they're setting it up, but I'm more interested in seeing how Desmond fits into everything. At this point, Jack becoming the new Jacob is where they're directing us, but I have no idea what Desmond will do.
Which knowing Lost that means that Hurley is going to be the real new Jacob
Definitely. Given how hard they're pushing the Jack-as-new-Jacob angle, that probably makes him the least likely. I think Hurley would be a good option, but I'm hoping it's Sawyer so he can scowl at the camera for the last 15 minutes of the series after he gets selected.
I completely agree with this. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. Considering the series finale is 2.5 hours long, there's still a lot of time for them to throw us all off...
the Man in Black will be the new Jacob
With the role that desmond is playing in the other world, I would say he is the favorite to take over for Jacob.
I can never know for sure, obviously, but I fully expect Jack, Hurley or Sawyer to be Jacob's replacement since they are the only candidates who haven't had their names crossed off yet.
Worst part of the episode was when I realized Frank was still on the sub... :(
Man, that sucked! I always liked Lapidas.
I did think it was awesome how Sayid, who had been ostensibly rendered soulless, supposedly, after the resurrection and subsequent failure to kill Smokey/Fake Locke/Man in Black, came back and we discover that a.) he let Desmond live, and b.) he sacrificed himself to save the people on the submarine (at least he did as much as he could). It was interesting to see that the "good" that was in him was still somehow able to overcome the "bad" or "sickness' (as Dogen described it) in the end.
All in all, the intensity was through the roof. This shit has gone off the reservation. Which is kind of awesome, and highly entertaining.
if memory serves, Lapidas was scheduled to be the pilot of the original oceanic 815 but overslept.
than a shag carpet. How are they going to tie all this together? The "screen goes black" thing has been done already.....and let's not discount Kate, mainly because they have gone out of their way to discount her.
While we don't know this for sure, there could still definitely be some of the other people who were running around with MiB alive. After the attack by Widmore's men on the MiB group, someone tells Jack (not sure if it was MiB or Claire) that all of them either died or fled into the jungle.
I believe it was Sayid who said to Jack that the survivors all ran into the jungle and it was just the 3 of them left. (Jack, Sayid, Locke) Claire was with Sawyer and the others at the time.
Where the hell is that polar bear?
Great question. My guess is that when the nuke exploded it died like everyoen else....oh wait...
Sawyer killed it in season one....
with the Darma Initiaive tattoos.
Was Sayid telling Jack that he was "the one" ?
Or what the producers are heavily leading us to believe - that Jack will be the replacement.
Given that they've always made Jack the central character, I'd be really, really surprised if he's not "the one."
Also, keep in mind that he was the only candidate to realize that the way to end all the craziness going on is for them to not kill each other (as MIB can't kill them). In last season's finale MIB basically alludes to the cycle continuously going until they stop killing each other. And it looks like Jack realizes this.
The irony being that it was their original intent to kill Jack in the very first episode to be subversive with the ideal that even your lead could die right off the bat, so no one was safe. He didn't die....but no one WAS safe...
anyone else sad Kate got shot...and still lived? God, she sucks.
YES. Her getting shot was the one highlight of an otherwise depressing episode.
I mean, what DOES she have to live for? Jack's not leaving for domestic bliss... They wouldn't have had that pack with the bomb and all if she hadn't gotten herself shot. Should have had her carry the bomb out.
They're really pushing the idea that Jack will replace Jacob. I could see an ending with the man in black and Jack sitting on the beach recreating the whole "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" scene. It fits with the opposing nature of their relationship through the entire series.
I'm still holding out hope that (the real) John Locke still has a role to play in it all. He's one of the best characters ever written for a TV drama IMO.
I have pictured EXACTLY that scene happening. Except with the opposite feel if the MiB being in Locke's body. So Jack is the one with faith now, and the Locke-Ness Monster just wanting to get off the island.
Though I agree with you that I'd be happy to be wrong if the real Locke did play a part. He was my favorite character, and while I'm glad the actor is still around to be bad-ass, with Locke being right and showing all that faith, I thought he deserved to be rewarded.
Episode 16. Does anyone know how many there are in total?
At least 16 too many.
I think this was ep 15. There are 4 (.5) more hours. The finale on May 23 is now bloated to 2.5 hrs. No way they use that extra 30 mins to wrap up anything useful.
I can't wait until May 23rd.
ya Jack has definetly figured it out...too bad sawyer fucked everything up. Listen to the new leader! yes great episode...but very sad...same with the juilette episode...LOST is one of the best shows i have ever seen...Next to Sopranos, Entourage, Deadwood, and Dexter.
Last time he listened to Jack about a bomb not going off, it didn't end too well for him...
Ambiguous as hell
The creators have stated all along that the major plot lines will be wrapped up and there will be some closure.
And I agree with some of the sentiment above, best show ever.
I realize the previews this season have usually been anything but, but I think next weeks episode could be a this whole story from the MiB's perspective. Considering how good the Richard flashback episode was, I have high hopes.
is the only one capable of killing the black smoke. He can withstand the high electromagnetic energy (which is why they tested him) and the smoke can't pass through those fences. I'm guessing those two facts along with Locke trying to have him killed have to play together somehow....
with Desmond, e-m radiation, and smoke monster. I'm not sure Jacob wants the man in black to be killed/destroyed though. He never once mentioned it as far as I can recall, and if there are any parallels to God/Lucifer, then I'd think Jacob would only want to contain the man in black...
Didn't Alpert's wife tell him he had to kill the man in black in his episode? Also, the parallels are not to God/Lucifer. They are to another mythology. I will leave it at that and you can look it up if you want.
She told him (through Hurley) that he "has to stop the man in black, stop him from leaving the island or we all go to hell"
Not to kill him.
left to go. Next episode is entitled "Across the Sea" and the featured characters are Jacob and the MiB. I am kinda torn between I can't wait to see what finally happens vs "damn it's over." Also, why so much Kate hate?
because she is a bitch
I don't hate Kate, but I am finding her more and more annoying. She always seems to get in the way of things.
Overall I felt that this was a pretty strong episode, the relationship between the sideways world and the island world seems to be getting closer to a breaking point. For example: as Jack stood over Lockes bed in the hospital and Locke, in his sleep, said some things to Jack that he had told him in on the island in the past.
A few things I didnt like were how they handled Sayid and Lapidus. Since episode 4 Sayid has been a creepy, evil Sayid. Suddenly, and without any kind of exposition that gives some form of explanation, Sayid is a good guy again and he sacrifices his life for the others. I tend to believe that Lapidus isnt dead yet simply because we didnt actually see him die but if he is in fact dead I think thats a pretty shitty way to end the characters run, smash him in the face with a heavy metal door and you never see him again.
Otherwise I felt the eppy was good stuff, it was sad to see Sun and Jin die but as long as they died together I am happy. It will be interesting to see just how Jack reacts to all this, he has finally begun to believe in himself and what he is capable of but the deaths obviously hurt him badly. Will he feel a need for revenge against MiB or will he be much more calm and quit about it like Jacob?
Also, where the hell is Alpert? He went off with a couple people to destroy the plane and hasnt been seen since, he must be coming back soon. And as for Desmond, since he is not in the final cast shot, I can only assume that he is the one who will actually be replacing Jacob. He is the one who must take Jacobs place and must bottle up the evil that threatens the world. Jack is a prime candidate but I dont believe he ends up as the replacement.
I think that since Jacob/MiB cannot kill each other, it's a pretty decent extrapolation to think that Jack is "the one" (as Sayid said) who will have to kill MiB/Smokey/Fake Locke, and Desmond will stay behind to protect the island and be the new Jacob, as he is able to seemingly travel between the two worlds with his mind, etc., and has the strongest awareness of both worlds. Thus, my prediction is that Jack ends up being the one to slay MiB or at least defeat him to the extent that they can get off the island, and Desmond stays behind to be the new Jacob.
Or...because Desmond can withstand the crazy electromagnetic stuff, HE is the one to kill MiB, and Jack is the one who stays behind to become the new Jacob.
Here's an idea that I haven't seen thrown out there: Any chance Richard Halpert is the new Jacob/MiB? We already know he's been granted immortaility and cannot be killed. Hmm. . We also know he and MiB have somewhat similar back stories, I believe, as Fake Locke talked about having a mother once, and we know she was on the island and will be in next week's episode from the preview below. . . It's just a thought. Either way, we get MiB's back story next week, which is going to be awesome.
The Woman in that clip looks familiar but I can't figure out exactly why. Was she previously on the show? If so, who is she? Maybe I just recognize her from something else, I just can't place it.
No, it's not.
No. The woman in question is Allison Janney. She has played many parts in her day. Kind of like the female version of John C. McGinley. She is mainly a character actor that when people see her say, "hey it's that one woman!" Most people would probably recognize her as Ellen Page's stepmother in Juno.
Ah, but Sayid sparred Desmond...just as Jack sparred Sayid. It's said he was going to become evil...but Sayid made the choice to stay good, and make up for his sins.
And what about Sun and Jin's daughter? Whhhaaaaaaa!
that the man in black (new Locke) wants to kill the candidates (and Desmond). But I' confused about the bomb on the plane. New Locke blamed it on Whitmore and then took it himself to try and kill the candidates (that part is clear). This brings up a couple questions:
- Did Whitmore really put the bomb on the plane and why? If he wanted the only access off the island to be the sub why not just blow up the plane without rigging it up to kill people (since killing people doesn't seem to be part of his agenda)?
- Does new Locke need a vessel to get off the island? Does he even really want off the island? Maybe he just wants to destroy Jacob and his potential candidates?
I doubt he needs actual transportation off the island. The plane/sub thing was a solution to the problem of how to kill a group of people you can't kill yourself without them realizing you are trying to kill them.
Things are never really clear in Lost until long after they occur. Although it seems that Locke wanted to kill the candidates, recall that he gave the bomb to the one person who professed that he would not be boarding the sub. It's at least plausible that he intended to kill only Jack (because he said he refused to leave the island) and leave with the others.
As for the bomb on the plane, didn't Aplert, Ben and Miles run off to blow up the plane? Seems more likely that they rigged the bomb than Whitmore.
The others had C4. There was an episode where they went to one of the Dharma stations to get some.
forgot about that part.
I'm a bit confused by what FLocke needs to do to the candidates. I thought he either needed to kill them all or get them all off the island. But on the last episode he put that bomb on the sub- why bother doing that if he just needed them off the island? They were on the sub and leaving....so shouldn't that have been it?
That has to tie in with all this .... somehow.
I'm guessing it does one episode before the finale, so it'll go Jacob/MiB episode, tying the alternate universe with the island, the finale. Anyway, that's what I am hoping, and very much hoping that the altnerate universe was not just a waste of time. Most people were better off never goin' to the island, which I find to be very interesting...
the kid (young Jacob?) that only Locke and Desmond (I think) can see.