Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen report that Ken Whisenhunt has accepted the Titans head coaching job. Where do the Lions turn from here?
OT: Ken Whisenhunt to the Titans
Kiffin? Seems only logical at this point.
It doesn't matter. Seriously.
You can only laugh at the Lions futility, Browns fans take solace that you're not alone.
We are most certainly not alone but we are several rungs down on the coaching food chain from Detroit. You'll get who you want and we'll be left with whoever nobody else wanted to hire.
No one but the Lions wants that schmuck.
Unfortunately he may be with Cleveland.
The Lions are a disaster.
I would assume the leading candidate is Caldwell now. That would be an uninspiring hire.
He's credited with turning around Rivers (and their offense really) and he had some success in Arizona when he didn't have a garbage QB.
He's considered to be a bright offensive mind, which I think the Lions needed.
The game plan against the Bengals was fine. However, the one against Denver was so horrid. Im glad he's out of SD.
I was just about to come in and ask what the Lions will do now? They just interviewed Mike Munchak right?
They have interviewed Caldwell, Kubiak and Munchak. I'm not exactly thrilled with any of those three. Classic Lions.
Mike Munchak would also be an uninspiring hire.
He drafted Tim Tebow. Definitely do not want.
He would actually be better than any of the three guys mentioned above. But the Lions want an offense minded coach. What about Chudzinski?
I would take Chudzinski over any of the guys they are looking at. I really like how he develops TEs and he has always had good offensive success. I just think the Lions are looking for someone QB centric and I'm not sure he has much of a track record with QBs.
Don't forget the Lions also have an OC hiring to screw up... Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Lions brass said they thought Munchak gave a killer interview, so I guess that's the next option.
yet was just fired at the end of the year. I'm personally not a big fan of hiring a coach that was just fired unless he is coming off one bad year after many successful ones.
Munchak quit out of loyalty to his coordinators, he turned down a big extension to stay with the Titans.
He's the only candidate left I have confidence in. The rest have already proven themselves as average at best.
Same. Old. Lions.
They cannot hire Caldwell or Munchak. Have to be bold now.
I want Caldwell now. Unless they make an offer to Dungy he can't refuse.
If they go with Caldwell, they better find a good offensive coordinator and keep Washburn (sp?) and maybe even Gunther.
He's terrible. Anyone who thinks he "taught" Manning anything is fooling themselves. Simply an appalling hire.
What exactly is the appeal of Jim Caldwell? I don't understand why he is even in contention for another head coaching job. Place virtually any position coach or coordinator in Indy with Peyton Manning and they will get to the playoffs. He did nothing remarkable with the Ravens, either. Above-average offense, but nothing special.
Let me rephrase that.. Of the candidates we have interviewed. I want caldwell.
He is not a HC or OC, but a QB coach. The man is appallingly bad at HC and coordinator.
- 20.0 PPG, 25th in NFL
- 307.4 Total YPG, 29th in NFL
- 224.4 Passing YPG, 18th in NFL
- 83.0 Rushing YPG, 30th in NFL:
I agree with your ultimate point, but "Above-average" is giving Caldwell waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy too much credit. He is terrible.
The Free Press is saying search is focused on Caldwell at this point. As a Vikings fan, I wholly endorse this new strategy. Double benefit of saddling the Lions with a totally underwhelming coach while preventing the Vikings from hiring him (sadly this means we will probably hire Bevell). I also think the Free Press isnt very excited as the stock photo of him they use for the article is not very flattering (looks immensely confused / shocked)
Same old lions! Let the next coach of doom ruin his career here.
Frankly, we will be sitting here two years from now after they fire one whomever they hire from these two.
I'm still glad they got rid of Schwartz, and was hoping for Whisenhunt personally - Caldwell, Munchak, Kubiak are rumored - no thanks.
As a Bears fan, I wholeheartedly approve these coaching options for the Lions.
This is an inexplicable attitude. You can hire one of two people: either a "hot coordinator" or a "retread." In other words, either someone who has or hasn't been a head coach. There are no other choices. The hot coordinator didn't work out and you're glad he's gone, but you don't want the the retread.
Why would any lions fan want Wisenhunt?
He took the Arizona Cardinals (THE ARIZONA CARDINALS!!!) to the Super Bowl and is considered a great offensive mind (which is ideal with Stafford, Megatron, Bush, maybe Sammy Watkins).
A one year run with a team he inherited than ruined?
Not sure "ruined" is fair when Kurt Warner retired and he had to deal with Derek Anderson, Skelton, and Kolb in his last 3 seasons.
So? a QB retires and a coach is allowed to fold?
I'm not sure any coach in the world could win with Anderson, Skelton or Kolb.
That's on the front office.
Hmm I remember Andy Reid having kolb pass for 300 plus yards in his first three starts, I also remember Anderson playing decent for Cleveland
That's oversimplifying it to a criminal degree. Andy Reid then benched Kolb and traded him. Anderson had an average NFL starter season once and then lost the job to Brady Quinn/Colt McCoy/Who Ever.
NFL teams who lose their starting QB are dead 90% of the time.
They traded him because they gave mike Vick 80 million, for some reason the NFL has a hard on for Vick
Which candidate do you want, then? Who is better? Caldwell? Kubiak? Munchak? Some other retread who just got fired?
I dont like any of the available ex head coaches, that being said maybe a good qb coach/OC
Wow. You think the Lions should maybe hire a good QB coach/Offensive Coordinator? Are you sure? What a genius! I can't believe no one thought of that this entire time.
Took the Cards to the Super Bowl when they had Warner, who prior to teaming up with Whisenhunt had looked done, and this year Rivers had his best season in years with Whisenhunt as OC. Stafford, though he has his faults, is definitely a NFL starter, unlike the Skelton and Skeltonesque guys Whisenhunt was stuck with after Warner retired.
did you watch the game vs the broncos?
Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Kurt Warner. The Lions can only hope to be what the Steelers organization. The closest they can get was one of the Steelers old coordinators, Whisenhunt, who was a very good offensive coordinator for the Steelers.
You sound ridiculous, hand the ball off and play good defense doesn't make you a great coordinator. No lions fan wants to be the Steelers.
The Steelers have not been a run-first team in 4 years. Roethlisberger drops back to pass 40 times a game. Coincidentally, they have sucked since they went to a Roethlisberger-centric offense.
Wisenhunt hasn't coached the Steelers in four years, the argument is about Wisenhunt not post Wisenhunt
The Steelers have how many rings? How many times have the Lions been to the SB or better yet how many playoff wins do the Lions have? The Steelers almost made the playoffs this year after a horrible start. Once they got their injured players back they made a serious run including a victory over the Lions, but Lions fans would rather have a team that folds down the stretch.
Dungy or Gruden. Make it happen.
Why would they if they haven't already? You either have that competitive fire, or you don't. There is zero gain for either to leave at this point. They have cushy high paying jobs, get to go home and have sex with their wives (I HAD SEX WITH YOUR WIFE!) at night, sleep in most days if they want to... Yeah, not happening, yet people will continue to say there's a chance (so you're saying there's a chance.jpg).
It seems like the real rush was for Whisenhunt, and that's not happening. It seems that the Lions remain a very attractive job, but with Whisenhunt off the market, is there any particular urgency to locking down a head coach in the next few days?
I understand they don't want to take too long (you need to assemble coordinators, assistant coaches, and get ready for the draft). But I'd hate to see them rush to hire someone (Munchak) solely because their love for Whisenhunt was unrequited and they want to appear "decisive".
Why am I wrong on this?
I was never a huge fan of Wisenhunt, but there really don't seem to be any decent candidates now.
Mike Shanahan. He's better than what's left.
I'd say it's time for the Lions to go Costanza and just do the exact opposite of what they were planning to do. Rather than hire a crappy former NFL head coach, they should hire an extremely successful current peewee coach.
If they go Constanza perhaps Schwartz will return to his former office and pretend he didn't get that he got fired, and maybe he'll be coaching the Lions again this year... maybe the Lions wouldn't be that upset
Not good. Lions are in a tough spot now, but I sort of expected this.
Narduzzi for Lions
60 minutes of unnecessary roughness would be perfect for Suh...
Mike Zimmer anyone???
That would be WAY better than Caldwell or Munchak.
We didn't even give him an interview.
If I'm not mistaken the Lions expressed interest and Zimmer turned them down.
Most likely. I believe he had a second interview with the Vikings yesterday.
Knowing how the Lions do things they'll probably hire DON Zimmer.
They will say "We wanted him all the time". What a crock.
It's a sad existence.
You guys are going to hire Munchak. Blah.
And Jim Caldwell would be just as bad.
Hey if you still get disappointed by a Lions season, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Fool me 55 times, shame on you. Fool me 56, shame on me.
Yeah but before it burns you it feels so nice and warm for a few seconds.
Bob Stoops? Or has his NFL time pretty much passed?
As a Lions fan...fuck again
He IS an offensive mind - full of. Lions only needs to win 8 games to reach playoff right? Al will get that done.
LOL my Browns will never succeed. No one wants to come here now. Thankfully I don't live and die with them like I do Michigan.
Jim Tressel is still out there and available.
As a former Lions fan, you can always join the Packers bandwagon.
GO PACK GO!
But not really
so I've got that going for me, at least until next weekend.
Reporting the Lions are after Caldwell
55 years of poo and counting: the Lions have botched yet another chance to make a good hire. The "smart money" is now on the Lions hiring the coach Whisenhut will replace in Tennessee, Mike Munchak.
Think the Tennessee fans will be laughing about that?
Actually no. Munchak was only fired because he refused to fire coaches the owner wanted fired. It wasn't because he was/is a bad coach. I would take Munchak over whisenhunt any day.
Extension and raise, but he didn't want to fire anyone from his staff. So that was it for him.
just when you thought the Lions may have turned a corner... the same old crap.
As others have mentioned there is no sense in going after a hack of an NFL coach. Go after a successful college coach. Someone above mentioned Bob Stoops, I am down for that. Please just don't hire one of the three mentioned.
Good didn't want Whisenhunt. Lions need to make a bold move to change 55 years of losing. Jim Caldwell is not the solution.
You mean like retroactively hire Vince Lombardi, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, and Bill Belichick and then claim that we won all of those Super Bowls?
Resume in but haven't heard anything yet. I'll give it another day or two and then follow up. I don't want to seem too eager, but I want them to know I'm interested.
Well if following up in a day or two doesn't work, I'd follow up in a year or two when the next search begins.
Isn't Mosley looking for work after Mathew kicked the bucket?
I bet the coaches see what the weather has been like in Michigan and said I am going to stay where it is warm.
The only reason a coach would not want to go to the Lions is either the weather or the actual city limits. Other then that it seems like it would be the best place for a coach. Lots of talent on both sides, great fans and an owner that does not have his finger on the trigger to fire after a couple bad seasons.
the Lions' ownership is NOT a plus but a huge part of the problem.
It is only a problem for the fans not the head coach. I agree that they have not done enough to make the lions successful, but the GM is much better then in the past and the owner is not standing next to the coach, like say a Jerry Jones, or the Washington redskins owner.
Sigh... Lion's gonna Lion
for 20+ years, but I'm done. This team will hire some retread and nothing will change. Go Colts!
Oh but you aren't. You may think you are, but next fall, you'll be right back on that couch watching another glorious collapse.
"Hi. Jim? Bill Ford Jr here. Hey, I just want to say we're sorry for firing you. we may have been a little hasty. You still interested in coaching? "
So much talent, and so little to show for it.
Ain't that a kick in the nuts. Not surprising for the Lions, but still sucks.
I suppose there is always Plan B, but in comparison to what I would hope was Plan A....
Hire Worf, son of Mogh. yIruch!
When my heart finally expires, and the coffin is stuffed, I would like to have William Clay Ford, Tom Lewand, and Martin Mayhew be my pall bearers. It would not be a fitting exit without getting let down by Lions management one last time.
Here is the glorious list.
Gary Moeller (Interim)
Dick Jauron (Interim)
At least none of the glorious 10 shares a first name.
Your list is even better when you add Rick Forzano and Tommy Hudspeth. With the exception of Monte (RIP), I think they are all available.
Greg Roman, harbaugh's oc, or go after bob stoops.
So the guy the Lions are interested in is the offensive coordinator who beat them on MNF with six field goals? Thats awesome.
But it seems like no matter how much or how bad you fail, you still get jobs in the NFL. The fact that an OC that scored six FGs is seen as head coach material is outrageous. Seems like once you get a job you always have somewhere to turn after you have failed at other places.
All signs point to DERP
One of the 4 remaining NFL coordinators?
Edit: If those are the choices, Kubiak honestly looks the best to me for the Lions. At least he had some success and developed Schaub pretty well, until it all went downhill.
He has had success in this league. Caldwell and Munchak are position coaches and nothing more.
We don't have a zone blocking offensive line that Kubes would need to run his offense. I personally, wouldn't want to reshuffle our line after they finally found a competent group.
I mean, the Lions could do something stupid like hire a coach from the Canadian league...
Wait, no, nevermind, no one would ever do that, nevermind me even remotely suggesting that.
Lions should call Schwartz back up and say that it was all a huge misunderstanding and that he needs to come into work tomorrow morning. I would rather have Schwartz than Caldwell, Munchak, or Kubiak.
Here is the "deal-breaker" for the Lions.
WCFJR: "We're going to start making the F-150 out of aluminium toward the end of this year."
Whisenhut: "YOU WHAT? YOU IGNORANT DOLT! IS THIS HOW YOU RUN THE LIONS, TOO?"
End of deal.
Wow that's a shocker...I guess it really wasn't considering it's the lions we're talkin about. I hate this franchise so freakin much.
Rumors starting to circulate that Caldwell is the guy and he is bringing along, gulp, Jim Tressel as his offensive coordinator.
I might puke...
Didn't he get him a job with the Colts?
on sweater vests.
How are we now down to Caldwell supposedly. I am shattered.
Baltimore was 29 of 32 in scoring this year. Bottom five in the league. Only the Lions.
We have been disappointing, to say the least, for a long time. Now we have a the added stigma that once you get shit canned here, you don't get a chance to be a HC in the league again.
Maybe it's just time to dig a really big hole and bury the Lions in a time capsule. In 75-80 years people can dig them up and be able to get a glimpse of one of the greatest forms of torture in human sport.
A baffoon. He fits right in with the Mornhinwegs, Marinellis, and Rogers.
Reports now that Caldwell has been offered the job and the rumor posted above might be true. Jim Tressel just said he wants to work in the NFL. Caldwell is a good friend of Tressel and rumors are gaining traction that Caldwell will bring in Jim Tressel for offense.
I'm at work on my phone. Can't post any, just google it real fast. It comes up at the top.
Caldwell I might be able to accept. Tressel there is no way.
I'd hit that.
This franchise is doomed
He was not good with a qb because he never drafted one to be a starter. Completley ignored the oline and only got where he did because of Denny Greens drafting. We got worse every year and that was because he didnt draft well and was very bland with a bad offense.
If Jim Tressel winds up as a coach in Detroit than I'm done. Serious. All my Lions stuff goes to Goodwill and I'm switching to the 49ers.
Who cares if we win some games? You realize Michigans most revered coach is a former OSU assistant? One of the best players for the lions in the last 20 years on Spielman is an OSU player?
Yeah. I don't get it. Jim Tressel is a good football coach. I know, he's a lying, no good, dirty, rotten, cheating bastard, but he's still a good football coach. I'd take him in some capacity for any non-University of Michigan related football team.
Huge difference between Tressel, who personally contributed about as much as anyone to the laughingstock that the NCAA is today, and Spielman, who happened to play at a rival.
I wouldn't root for the Lions if they hired Tressel either.
Holy shit where's the tylenol?
I thought the lions were actually comitted to winning for once. I guess I was wrong. I'm done rooting for them. I'll watch them, but I'm indifferent about them. I refuse to ever buy a ticket to sit in that factory of sadness.
If the lions missed on wisenhunt that they would have lucked into going after tony dungy HARD. Alas, it is our lot in life and we are made to suffer... With Jim Caldwell.
Btw- I miss Wayne Fontes.
While I believe the Lion's organization can be complete bafoons, I am thinking they are holding out for one of the coordinators on the AFC/NFC championship teams. Would make more sense in my opinion. I DO NOT WANT CALDWELL. He inherited Dungy's build, and sunk the ship after Peyton sat the season. Not a proven head coach!
We're talking about the Lions.
It will be a disaster! Much like the Tampa Bay DC we hired! 0-16 here we come! I just hope Michigan football improves, so I can ignore the Lions once again!
Rod wasn't even a DC at Tampa Bay. I think he was the DL coach. The Lions will hire somebody bad because nobody good wants to join the graveyard of coaches.
To the lions? Ha its only fitting.
Well, how did the Lions screw that up? Never mind. Its the lions.
How about Luke Fickell? He's got head coaching experience.
If the Lions don't hire Kubiak now, forget the next 3 years....
Yuck, here we go back to 0-16 again. What a disaster!
would hire Jim Tressel to coach OFFENSE? Tressel won despite his offense, not because of it. I think his favoite play is to punt.
I might be biased but Lions should hire Jon Hoke, DB's coach in Chicago. At least it would help Brady recruit with his bro being a HC in the NFL.
Ultimately, though the Lions offered a better front office, a better team, better facilities, and more money, the Titans were able to offer not being the Lions.
How do the Lions have a better front office?
Both are turrible.
Good for him. No man deserves to coach the lions. It's a failure that is inevitable.
Whether or not you believe that Whisenhunt was a good choice, this is a huge slap in the face to Mayhew, considering how long he's known Whisenhunt.
It's also a refutation of the notion that the Lions were of course the best NFL job that was available.
"This morning, one of Ford’s planes was scheduled to depart for San Diego at 6:30 a.m. The flight was delayed until noon and again until 12:15 p.m., and is now set to take off at 4 p.m."
LOL SOL. Left at the altar again.
Jim Caldwell tells us how ineptly lead this franchise is. The man is incompetent so it's a match made in heaven.
There were too many shaky drafts before Xander got here and my feeling was Xander was the one who brought in the talent last year although no one really knows. That being said, it is either the Ford meddling or Mayhew that caused this embarrassment. You can't fire the owner so Mayhew has to take the fall for this. If I was a coach, I wouldn't want to come in to a situation where I could be broomed with the GM. I don't really know what they do now. Taking the time to hire a GM and a Head Coach after the top candidates are gone isn't the optimal situation by any means.
Same fucking Lions.
I don't think Caldwell would be too bad. Now if they don't get Caldwell, I think they could be in trouble. They are already in "meh" territory.
second, third, or maybe fourth choice.
They should never have let the press continue with the idea that Whisenhunt was the guy until it was guaranteed to happen. It's botched and pretty much unfixable at this point.
This is going to go down as one of the worst hires in their history. The man is not HC or even OC material.
Apologies for the Freep link. Apparently the Titans offered him a million more a year.
If the Lions really wanted him, this was pretty stupid to let him go over money.