OT: It Could Always Be Worse: Arizona Holding Walk-On Tryouts 13

Submitted by The Geek on September 28th, 2021 at 2:38 PM

Perkis-Size Me

September 28th, 2021 at 9:54 PM ^

Maybe I’m misreading your post but I don’t think that’s entirely true. Hoke’s 2013 class was very highly rated (#4 in America on 247) and contained guys like Butt, Lewis, Charlton, McCray, Gedeon, De’Veon, and Hurst. All meaningful contributors as they entered their upperclassmen years, and guys who brought Michigan inches away from a Big Ten title and CFP appearance.

Now by 2014, yeah things were definitely on the decline in recruiting. I think Michigan was hovering around 20 that year, but 2013 was still a great recruiting class in its own right. Not everyone became a contributor of course, but from a pure talent perspective it was very good.

Leaders And Best

September 28th, 2021 at 10:51 PM ^

But I think some of the work for those recruiting battles were done before Meyer was even hired based off the successful 2011 season--a lot of recruits firm up their preferences and finalists during their junior year.

Hoke's class was good, but Meyer took OSU to another level from Tressel. Meyer's 2013 class was one of the best in OSU and college football history (6 NFL 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks), and he shut off the inroads Hoke had made into Ohio that year. Gareon Conley flipped from Michigan. Cam Burrows and Billy Price didn't really consider Michigan. Dymonte Thomas was the only head-to-head battle Michigan won that year, and I think that was touch and go for a while with us barely holding on to him from what I remember. I don't think Ohio State even wanted Butt, Charlton, Gedeon, or McCray--their class was that good. Most of the kids in our class in 2013 didn't even have committable OSU offers. It was all over for Hoke at that point.

lhglrkwg

September 28th, 2021 at 3:52 PM ^

I guess I'm unfamiliar with this process- is it a bad sign to hold tryouts mid season or is it typical to have a fall tryout too? Do walk-ons typically try out in spring?

Wendyk5

September 28th, 2021 at 6:53 PM ^

You boys will appreciate this story. Back in the 80's, my husband's brother thought he had a pretty good arm so he went to an open tryout for the Cubs. He was around 20. He showed up at the field, and they told him to take the mound. He didn't play in high school and didn't have a lot of experience throwing off a mound. So he picked up a ball and threw it as hard as he could to the catcher. The momentum, along with his foot getting caught on the rubber, caused him to fall forward and he wiped out. Undeterred, he got back up and threw ten more, as hard as he could, until his arm ached. A guy walked up to him carrying a clipboard and said, "Ok, you can start throwing now." Needless to say, he did not make the team. 

BornInA2

September 28th, 2021 at 7:11 PM ^

RichRod hangover? IIRC, he once brilliantly propped up the confidence of our kickers (/sarcasm) by stating that he might pull the team bus over on the way to Happy Valley to hold open tryouts for other kickers.

Seems to me like Fisch and Brown are great coaches who've done well at every stop. Firing Brown because of stupid things that happened in a stupid season that was only stupidly held was stupid.

Yeah, we had issues on defense against better teams. But that's how it works most of the time.

SecretAgentMayne

September 29th, 2021 at 10:52 AM ^

Don Brown was a very good D-coordinator, especially in 2016, 2017, and honestly most of 2018 leading up to the OSU game. His issue was that his "Dr. Blitz" overly-aggressive schtick started to go stale and (more importantly imo) this compounded with his inability to recruit high enough level talent to backfill the defensive line, particularly on the interior DL to get a solid pass rush.

Remember how the D-line became noticeably worse as the NFL-caliber guys that Hoke recruited slowly began to leave (I mentioned the interior D-line as it has been a key sore spot ever since Mo Hurst left)? Without the big, talented goons up front, you're suddenly not putting enough pressure on the opposing QB---> your CB's playing man all game are suddenly getting put on an island with no pass rush to help them out---> your entire scheme is rendered ineffective and you get wrekt.

RAH

September 28th, 2021 at 7:45 PM ^

I like those guys. I hope they can get the team playing better this year and then continue the progress next year. They should be given a chance. They took over a terrible team.

tybert

September 28th, 2021 at 11:42 PM ^

UA lost at home to (formerly) I-AA Northern Arizona. That says a lot about the state of the program post RR and Sumlin. Judd may get it moving forward, but Herm has done way better at ASU - if Judd can't even be #2 in his own state, it's a long ride. I liked Judd at UM 2015 and part of 2016 (sans Iowa game) but maybe the dreaded Peter Principle is at work here

Ezekiels Creatures

September 29th, 2021 at 12:12 AM ^

Arizona is better than you think.

I don't think you saw the game Saturday night. I looked for the whole game on YouTube. But only found highlights. So I can't attach the full game here.

Arizona actually looked good. It was exciting to see how they outplayed Oregon. If not for 5 interceptions by their new starting QB, and an illegal forward pass on a trick play on a kick return, Arizona would have likely beaten them. Arizona had been a very bad team pre Fisch/Brown. And in only 4 games, it looks like they have them on the road to a real turn around.

Here's the stats from the game. Arizona numbers are surprisingly good. Though without watching the game, the numbers won't convey the feeling during the game.