(OT) It's National Signing Day! open thread

Submitted by Magnus on February 5th, 2020 at 8:24 AM

Today is National Signing Day, and nobody seems to care around here because Michigan isn't expected to sign anyone. Micah Mazzccua flipped to Baylor and Nick Patterson isn't expected to sign with Michigan. Michigan was hoping to land James Pogorelc, but Pogorelc committed to Stanford.

So this is an open thread to talk about guys signing elsewhere and/or what's going on across the country.

There are a bunch of guys Michigan "offered" who are still undecided.

Chadillac Grillz

February 5th, 2020 at 12:55 PM ^

No doubt with their history a 3-star running back from Georgia with Georgia competition might have ended up being some explosive player like what we would Hope Christian Turner would be and very deadly! Him not committing is great news! How many times do you see a three-star running back like that become the next big thing? The answer is all the time...

4roses

February 5th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^

The user did not "say" anything. He wrote: " . . . MSU just lost one of its top commits . . . " Per the link you provided MSU has 7 early enrollees, 12 recruits who have signed a letter of intent, and 3 hard commits. I think it is reasonable to state that a player ranked 5th highest in a 21 player class qualifies as a top recruit.   

 

Is that petty enough for you?

MH20

February 5th, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^

...but MSU just lost one of its top commits due to Dantonio retiring yesterday...

Yeah, but you said their best recruit, which in the grand scheme of things is far from the truth

Either you skimmed UMFanatic's post, misread it and proceeded to blast him or you read it correctly and just said what the hell I'll blast him anyway.

MH20

February 5th, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^

The OP was clearly referring to the Composite which lists Simmons as the 606th overall prospect (.8709 Composite Rating). This would have made him the second best recruit in their class per the Composite.

  1. Darius Snow: .8830 Composite Rating / 434th overall
  2. Devin Hightower: .8680 Composite Rating / 661st overall

Cruzcontrol75

February 5th, 2020 at 9:00 AM ^

*top RB recruit rated a decent .87 on 247 ratings I believe. Had 20 other good offers including M, VaTech, UK, FL, WVU.  1 of only 2 RBs in this recruiting class.  The other RB had only non-P5 offers.  Trouble in their backfield after 2 RBs just transferred.   
 

https://twitter.com/_jaythegr8_/status/1224905023567605762?s=21

lilpenny1316

February 5th, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^

I can't understand why Fickell would leave Cincinnati.  If Ryan Day moves on to the NFL in a few years, I'd have to believe he'd be on the short list of replacements.  Plus, who's going to have more success in the next four years, MSU or Cincinnati?  

Get a raise from your current employer, keep winning 10+ games in a talent rich state, and get a nice gig at your alma mater or an ACC/SEC school.

Bodogblog

February 5th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^

There are definite advantages.  He can recruit that talent rich state from MSU, just as Dantonio did early.  He can try to beat Michigan - no better resume builder for Ohio State.  And though he's recruiting fairly well at Cinci this year (he has three 4* players, Sparty has none), he loses on a lot of guys that would have interest in playing in the B1G.  He would make more money as well, you'd assume.  That's probably enough. 

MSU is reboot-able, at least to an Iowa-type level.  Their roster is a definite problem, as you mention.  But a head coach can convince himself that his ability, transfers, new recruits, etc., would be able to make up for it.  

Double-D

February 5th, 2020 at 10:58 AM ^

It’s a different time.  
 

Dantonio built MSU on Rich Rods weakness.  Rich Rod recruited the state of Michigan like he coached defense.  No longer an issue with Harbaugh who is killing it in Michigan.  
 

MSU is a wreck.  They have zero talent.  They have no leadership in administration.  They have a spotlight on them with all the slime left from win at all costs Simon, Hollis, and Dantonio.   
 

And good fucking luck winning in the East.  

Double-D

February 5th, 2020 at 8:35 PM ^

If you don’t think RR going 15-22 and getting pasted by Dantonio coupled with RRs lack of connection with Metro Detroit kids that typically went to Michigan didn’t elevate MSUs program than I’m sure what else to tell you. 
 

Maybe sit back and relax with some Josh Groban. 

xtramelanin

February 5th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^

hi, horse.  can you tell me what school has had this happen to it recently?

dean of school - resigned in disgrace and was indicted

dean of medical school - resigned in disgrace and was indicted

gymnastics coach - resigned in disgrace and was indicted

AD - resigned in disgrace and probably should've been indicted

spokesman/fixer - resigned in disgrace and, against all odds, made a horrible situation worse

head football coach - resigned in disgrace, after promising not to do so, but steals $4.3 MM from the school 3 weeks before.  is 'outed' for yet more NCAA violations but says, 'not the reason i'm resigning'.

how is your horse doing now?  

 

mackbru

February 5th, 2020 at 11:56 AM ^

I’m not sure Fickell improves his lot at sparty. He will virtually never finish higher than 4th in his own division, at least not in the next few years. He will typically lose at least 3 divisional games annually. He’d be better to put up one more 10-win season at Cinci. Then he’ll have a ton of good offers. 

Bodogblog

February 5th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^

The requirement isn't to win the East.  It's to be a better coaching opportunity that Cinci. 

It's always a different time.  Dantonio came in after MSU had hilariously and nationally imploded under John L. Smith.  There were actual articles posted considering Tom Izzo for the head coaching job.  In football.  Michigan and OSU had just played the 2006 game, which was a de facto playoff game (and they almost played again in the national championship anyway).  It doesn't get tougher than that.  Wisconsin finished 12-1 that year.  PSU won the B1G the year before.  MSU hadn't done anything of note since 1987. 

Now the administration can say "we were in the playoff just in 2015".  They have a Rose Bowl and B1G titles.  They still have a reputation for defense, that's been earned over the last decade.  They have a couple guys in the NFL, and some All-Americans.  There's plenty there to lean on.  

Iowa isn't winning the West or the B1G or going to playoffs.  Going 8-4 (sometimes 9-3, sometimes 7-5) at MSU is a better opportunity than Cinci provides, if the goal is OSU or any other blue blood job.  If you beat one of Michigan, OSU, or PSU every year, you've done your job.  

CalifExile

February 5th, 2020 at 12:30 PM ^

MSU isn't a better coaching opportunity right now. Their personnel is horrible and this year's recruiting is done. They are years away from beating M, OSU or PSU. The school's reputation is in tatters after Vassar and all the stories about the off field exploits of their players. They may be facing sanctions after the Blackwell revelations.

A series of 7-5 and 6-6 seasons (or worse) at MSU makes a much less attractive coaching candidate than a series of 10 win seasons at Cincinnati. I doubt Fickell will be as short-sighted as you are.

MGoStrength

February 5th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^

Rich Rod recruited the state of Michigan like he coached defense.  No longer an issue with Harbaugh who is killing it in Michigan.  

I don't know that I'd go that far.  He missed on a lot of the top 5 in-state players the last several recruiting cycles.  Here's who he missed the past 3 years:

2020

  • #1 Rogers
  • #3 Jennings
  • #5 Carr

2019

  • #1 Brown
  • #2 Dobbs
  • #3 Barnett

2018

  • #2 Gervin
  • #3 McCall

He needs to figure out Oak Park as we are missing out on a lot of talented guys from there.

Double-D

February 5th, 2020 at 11:10 PM ^

I am not saying there have not been misses.  Barnett was a big one.

But I  am pretty confident that Harbaugh and staff have a different idea of who should be ranked where.  Rogers, Dobbs, Carr, and McCall did not seem to be takes so let’s watch their careers  

Payne is the big one I’m watching for.  

Qmatic

February 5th, 2020 at 10:20 AM ^

The AAC is the best stepping stone conference for young coaches. If you can build a good program there in a couple years, you can land a good Power-5 job. Norvell, Frost, Herman, Rhule, Morris, Taggert, Fuente, etc.

If you are someone like Fickell, you can build a good program and wait for the right job to pop up. There will be better jobs in the near future than MSU.

IDKaGoodName

February 5th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^

This is 100% correct. He can sit at Cinci for another year or two and walk into a gig at OSU or ND. Not sure why he would even entertain the thought of going to MSU. It’s an obvious backward step and would put the brakes on his career quickly. The next HC they hire is going to be a place holder used to right the ship. They won’t be relevant for 3-4 years, if lucky, and won’t be competitive for probably at least 2 tenures. Would even be a bad move for Narduzzi.

xtramelanin

February 5th, 2020 at 8:46 AM ^

mags,

you mention the bunch that michigan offered but who are still undecided.  can you give details on some that either might really help out if we did get them, or in the alternative, even if they might not be the most exciting commit you nevertheless think that we might get? 

Magnus

February 5th, 2020 at 9:10 AM ^

Honestly, most of the guys who are left are guys we probably don't want very much. 

The three top guys left on the board, IMO, are RB Michael Drennin II from Ohio, DT Denver Warren (who used to be committed to Michigan), and RB/WR Lamareon James. Drennen is a good all-purpose back who's not super explosive, but he's kind of a Chris Evans type of player. Warren could help us at DT, but I think there are other concerns with him. James is just a good athlete along the same lines as Giles Jackson/Mike Sainristil/Eamonn Dennis.