This draft is really weak at DB, super strong at DL. Do the Lions really draft another DL? I would love Damontre Moore, but he might be off the board at 5. No OL is rated that high, maybe one of the Bama boys.
I'd take DeMarcus Milliner.
Also, as much as I love Jeff Backus, I think it might be time to think about drafting his successor - possibly Lewan or Joeckel?
Their defense lacks playmakers at LB, DE, CB, and S. Drafting an offensive linemen with the 5th pick is simply not wise. It is either a DE or a trade down. The Lions desperately need defensive playmakers. Offensive tackles can be found anywhere and as the Packers and Pats have proven, you don't need elite OTs to be a dominant offense. However, a guard and center is needed.I would not mind drafting Barrett Jones in the 2nd if he is available. His versatility is something the Lions do covet.
I just as soon re-sign Cherilus, start Nagy at center, and resign a FA guard then draft a tackle high this year.
The Packer's and Pats have just proven when you have arguably the best two QB's in the game it;s not that bad.
What? The Packers and Patroits haven't proven that at all.
They've proven that if you ignore your offensive line issues and rely totally on your elite QB to have to bail you out on every occasion, eventually it's going to come back to bite you in the ass when you face an elite pass rush.
This is of course aside from the fact that you're completely wrong about the Patriots O-Linemen being found later in the draft. The 2 best offensive linemen on the Patriots, Logan Mankins (G) and Nate Solder (LT), were 1st round picks. Their other tackle, Sebastian Vollmer, was a 2nd round pick. So no, the best organization in football isn't digging their O-Linemen out of the trash heap, or waiting until the later rounds to draft them.
The past few years they've made an effort to draft O-Linemen, specifically tackles, in the 1st 2 rounds for the precise reason that their patchwork O-Lines were getting Tom Brady killed, not allowing them to run the ball successfully, and were pretty much the main thing that prevented them from winning 2 more Super Bowls.
As far as the Packers are concerned, 2 of their last 3 1st round picks have been offensive tackles, so as an organization they've clearly been trying to get top flight O-Linemen in the early rounds of the draft.
It's not as if the Packers are starting late round draft picks by choice, or as part of some organizational decision. They've been forced to as a result of injuries.
D end or Millner
Personally I would like to see us trade down and rack up a ton of future picks
Trade down to the mid 10s and take Milliner or Ogletree or some other defensive player / OL.
Trade down is usually suggested every year but it rarely happens - but the organization really can't handle another big contract.
Under the new rookie salary structure, even a high first-round pick isn't cost-prohibitive. The 5th overall pick last year, Justin Blackmon, signed a 4-year, $18.5 million contract. It's not like several years ago, when the Lions had to give Stafford/Suh/Johnson $12 mil/year.
They need to help the secondary. They've put it off too long. Go with Millner if he's there. If he isn't, I would consider trading down (or take Moore if he's still there).
The only way they draft him is if they trade down. He isn't worth the #5 pick in the draft.
Trade down, Te'o is a 4th rounder after last night..
...a waste of money. Whomever that may be.
MLBs shouldn't be drafted this high, especially ones that whiff on multiple tackles in one game. Remember when Aaron Curry was a once-in-a-decade linebacker?
Mayhew's always gone the best player availabe route, but the Lions have a lot of glaring weekenesses. I say Moore if he's avaiable or hope that someone wants to trade up.
Curry wasn't/isn't a pure MLB - even though there was talk the Lions would make him one if drafted - but your point still stands. He was a major draft whiff by Seattle.
Out of curiosity, why are MLB's rated so low in relation to other positions and not generally worthy of a top 5 pick? Who is the most successful recently-drafted MLB in Round 1...Patrick Willis? I think he went somewhere between 10-15.
Kuekle went in the first round no?
But I think it's because you don't need guys who are wildly athletic at MLB. All you need are good tacklers with high football IQ. It's great to have a Patrick Willis, but it's the same reason no one drafts a kicker in the third round of Fantasy Football...no one else will, either, so you don't need to take them high.
MLB is just not as valuable of a position relative to other positions That's not to say that it isn't important, it's just not as valuable. It would be like taking a TE in the top 10. That guy had better be a superstar or else you're not getting good value for your pick.
I'm not that familiar with the new rookie pay scale yet, but basically, when you draft a position like MLB with the 5th pick, the amount of money that guy gets from that pick will automatically place him either as the highest, or one of the highest paid MLBs in the entire league. So basically, if the Lions draft Te'o, he has to be a star just to break even on the pick. He can't be just a solid player for 10 years, he has to be one of the best MLBs in the game. That's why drafting Te'o at 5 doesn't make any sense, and isn't a high value pick.
It would also be incredibly stupid for the Lions to draft Te'o because IIRC, they just signed Tulloch to a long term deal, so it would be throwing a shit ton of money down the drain, something this organization desperately cannot afford given their cap situation.
Lions need help S more than at CB. Vaccaro is a stud and can cover WR/TE one on one as well as come up to stop against the run. He shut down Tavon Austin before he got hurt.
first option - Jarvis Jones
second - Luke Joekel (spelling?)
If neither are there trade down into the 9-14 range and get Dee Millner. Something tells me Millner does not have great top end speed and that will bump him into that range. Just my opinion.
I'm no expert, but I've read that Jarvis Jones is more of a 3-4 linebacker. Since the Lions run a 4-3 D, he may not fit their team best. I do like the way that guy plays, though. If he fit their D, he would be exactly what they need - a playmaker.
I like Barret Jones, but someone earlier said he might be available at the top of the 2nd round. That would surprise me, but whatever. Bring him on.
I also like Milliner. #1 corner...#2 corner...I don't care. Everytime I watched Alabama the kid made plays.
Trading down would be best, but it never seems to happen for the Lions.
There is a ton of offensive line talent coming out this year, they can probably take a starter in the second round. There doesn't seem to be a DB worth the #5 pick this year, or even the #10 pick imho, no matter how bad we need one. Either we take someone worthy of the #5 pick, or we trade down and pick twice, for DB and OLine. If we keep our pick I'm hoping we take Jarvis Jones as he seems like the second coming of Terrell Suggs. He's a qb's worst nightmare with sacks, tfls, and batted passes. His speed and tackling out in space is impressive, too. If we trade down I hope we can swing a tandem of Milliner and Lewan/Warmack/Jones who could fall due to other teams addressing needs at other positions.
The #1 jersey.
Another good player to help them finish in last place.
I'm starting to wonder if the Lions would even win with a Pro Bowl roster.
picks and take someone they could have gotten in the third round.
Afterwards, mayhew talks about taking the best player available.
i would prefer a 6'4" 250 pound wide receiver who has been out of football for a year, has trouble with his weight and runs a 4.8 where you have drafted wide receivers with your #1 pick like each of the previous 3 years.
Harrington can't do it on his own. He needs weaponz!!!
If they don't draft CB Dee Milliner I give up on the franchise.
whoever can party the hardest
He'll fit right in with our last few pothead draft picks. Maybe he can eat marijuana crumbs with LeShoure in his car.
trading down to a spot where they can still get Milliner or Vaccaro and a later pick is my pick
Demarcus milliner. We need that lockdown cover corner badly. We can skip another draft without picking a top corner.
The smart thing to do would be to trade back and draft Milliner. Don't have much faith in them doing it, though. Probably will stay at #5 and draft Moore or Werner to play DE in this terrible wide-9 Cunningham scheme. Don't think Teo was a top-10 pick before last night and probably lost some stock after that performance.
While talking to a buddy of mine he suggested trading back and taking either Reid from LSU or Milner and then in the second picking up Barrett Jones if he's still available but it's unlikely. We need secondary and OLine terribly.
Is he aware that other schools have good players as well?
Also, the Lions can fill their line needs in the later rounds of the draft and in freee agency. The OL is the one position group where you can build a solid unit fairly cheaply.
Jones is a 2nd-3rd day talent.
if there is a stud corner or saftey on the board that warrents a #5 pick take him. otherwise trade down. wouldn't hate seing them trade down once to 10 and maybe then droping out of the first round completly with another trade. get a ton of 2nd and 3rd round picks. Lions don't really need elite tallent anywhere (accept in the secondary, but there isn't any really this year...from what i've seen) they just need alot of good to ok players to add depth and replace some aging player. (Need a Center a Garde, a DE might be nice, another LB, a GASP WR...(scat back variety maybe Denard if he is there in the 3rd)
And what about Reif?
Reiff is a RT, not a LT. Dude couldn't beat out 35 year old Jeff Backus.
Is this a Harry potter character ?
there are actually a couple o-line men rated that high warmack and joeckel are rated that high, i'd like warmack but would rather trade down because there is depth at d-end and no corners/safties worth the #5 pick. Hopefully somebody goes full retard for a QB and wants to trade up
Jarvis Jones seems to be the name that's getting batted around the most. I think that would be a smart choice. Otherwise, find someone to trade down with(not very likely, but the new rookie salary moves make it at least plausible) and go for Milliner.
Lacey looked like a sure fire NFL RB last night. Milliner is a stud as well, would love to trade down and get both!!
Moore or Werner, if they draft Te'o I might just jump off a cliff. With KVB and likely Avril gone DE becomes a massive need. Take Eric Reid/Xavier Rhodes/ or Barret Jones if any are there in the 2nd round. Milliner is a possibility but is he worthy of a top 5 pick? Seriously it's DE or trade down in my opinion.
Couldn't agree more. I prefer Moore but will gladly take Werner.
so the Lions will take Will Gholston.
into this one poor performance by Teo. If people recall one Peyton Manning had an absolutely atrocious end to his career: 21-31 for 131 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT. If we took the thought process people are using on Teo and applied it to Manning we would have to argue that Manning ought to have slipped into the 2nd round.
The NFL does not judge a player off of one performance. They use the players entire career as well as his physical traits to project how good a player he will be. Teo is going to be a damn fine player for whomever drafts him.
Peyton could've made the tackles Teo missed yesterday.
His showing yesterday won't effect his draft status that much, because he wasn't a top ten (probably 20) pick to begin with. Good player but he has limitations, it was his team (particularly this year) his character and story that carried him to the top of heisman lists and mock drafts. But he was never going to be drafted that high.
Trade down and try to grab as many DBs and LBs we can. If we did this and somehow managed to get Milliner and Ertz, I would be thrilled.
For the Lions first Pick @ #5 i would take Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
second pick @ # 36 I would take Barret Jones, G/C/OT, Alabama if he is still available then with my third pick @ #65 I would take a huge gamble and jump on Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU He is a huge gamble but without a number 4 pick he could come in help out right away and also be a kick returner to replace Logan.
Moore would be a perfect fit. Jones is going to be good player and he fits what the Lions want.(versatility). However, I would prefer a S or OLB there. The Lions really need defensive playmakers at every level. Hopefully, they can get some help in free agency.
If the Lions draft like that, Stafford will be a bloody stump in a year or two.
Backus was only ever an average LT, and now he's old and breaking down.
Gosder is flat out terrible.
Reiff couldn't beat out either of those two guys, and no, LTs do not need a year of seasoning to sit and watch and learn.
Raiola's only problem used to be that he was undersized, now he's undersized and old as hell.
Peterman and Sims are both below average to bad.
The Lions do not have one single plus offensive lineman on their roster. Adrian Peterson would struggle to run the ball behind this offensive line. It's not something that the Lions can continue to ignore.
Yes, the Lions need pass rushers. Yes, the Lions need secondary help. However, if they keep ignoring this problem, they'll also need to find a new franchise quarterback, and Calvin's career will go the way of Larry Fitzgerald's.
Anyone from Bama.
Seriously they could use a home run threat in the backfield with Best probably being done. Would be a guy I'd take early 3rd or 4th round if he's there.
I'd rather shore up other areas. Bells fits that fine for now. How much long does Burelson have? Titus Young is off the team probably. OL needs help, we need a DE, OLB, and everything in the secondary besides Houston needs to go.
Not only this, but I wonder if a high profile/high character guy like Denard could start to change the culture on the team.
ed lacey seems like a no brainer
No new opinions here, I know, but trade down for some extra picks and grab some quality DBs.
Werner, the TAMU guy, or Milliner.
Mike Illitch so they can finally have a real owner that knows how to win.
They take a solid DB then anyone left from the bama line left and OL from there on out. We need a line who can run block
I wouldn't mind them trading down, but i don't know who would want to.
Jarvis Jones, if he is gone take Millener. Mayhew couldnt possibly screw this up could he....oh a reciever with issues is available. Never mind.
the lions desperatelty need help in the secondary and on the offensive line. by that token, they will draft a wide receiver. then, for some reason, they'll take eric wright back after the bucs dump him.
I'd take Eric Wright back assuming the price is right, his contract will be voided from Tampa because of his suspension and he's not likely to get huge money again.
I'd take him because I suspect the Lions won't be able to afford Chris Houston and whatever ridiculous contract someone will give him.
Trade back and draft a bunch of offensive lineman.
Doesn't matter how great your secondary and pass rush are if Matt Stafford is knocked out of the league because your aging and underperforming O-Line couldn't protect him.
That absolutely has to be their number one concern going into the offseason.
We already have a good MLB and MLB is one of the least valuable positions in football anyway, so taking one with the 5th pick would be a huge mistake.
or Keenan Allen from California
Alex okafor will fly up draft boards
I don't care who they pick or how high he is on someone's board. I don't care if the experts say they took the right guy or if they had a great draft. Whoever they take will not work out and will not help them. They are hopeless. But I will watch them anyway.
A future bust.
Take Chance Warmack at 5 and Barrett Jones in the 2nd. Take some DBs and maybe a DE after that. This team needs a running game, they have two solid power backs but don't have the oline to support a consistent running game. If they aren't able to run the ball and keep up this pass-happy offense with the current oline Stafford is not going to last as long as we want him to.
I'm not sure trading down is going to be that easy.
If there is really someone available at #5 that is worth so much that a team is going to trade a bundle to the Lions to move up to get him, then the Lions probably need that player. But I just don't see that happening. Not the kind of mega-trade-up deal that the Lions would need to make it worth it.
For it to be worth it, the Lions would need to be in a situation like last year where they were in position to get Luck or RGIII. THEN they could trade down for a king's ransome and stock up on a ton of solid players. I don't see anyone being available at #5 this year that is going to be worth a ton. But who knows--maybe after the combine things will change?
It might not be that hard to trade down. Teams are more likely to trade into the top 5 to grab a guy like Julio Jones who isn't necessarily a franchise changer but still an elite prospect. The fact that they don't have to pay them like they did before the new rookie wage scale greatly reduces the risk of taking a guy in the top 5.
one that will be perfect for that franchise.
After watching Teo play against a pro team Monday night he's more of 2nd round pick to me. I would trade down a bit and take Milner from Alabama, than try to get Jones from Alabama than whoever from Alabama was left I would draft :-).
I think the Lions are going with Moore with the 5th pick whether anyone here wants them to or not. Which isn't a bad pick, it's just the problem of needing other things too. But, you can't solve all of the Lions problems in one draft. You can do a good job though at filling some needs in this draft. This is how I'd draft if I were to pick for the Lions:
1st round: Moore
2nd round: Barrett Jones(yes he should be available)(If not, you go Lane Johnson or Dallas Thomas here)
3rd round: Travis Frederick(can play both guard positions and center)
Yes, you take both Frederick and Jones as they could swap between 3 positions each. You definitely take Frederick if you can't get Jones. Most people I've seen projecting Travis have said he'll go right after Detroit in the 3rd round. Detroit can't afford to pass him up. Obviously you don't address all the needs this way, but you also get help for your QB. You go from a terrible line to a semi-better but much younger one. You would have Reiff, Jones, and Frederick, plus obviously 2 others. With their versatility, you can find what line-up works best.
As far as secondary goes, it's better to protect your QB this year and then get secondary next year. Rather than letting your franchise QB get killed. It sounds like everyone here thinks you're going to solve a lot of the issues with one draft, but you're not. Especially not in this weak of a draft, in terms of what Detroit needs. At least this way you're finding protection for your offense, and then you could worry about defense next year or through free agency. Unfortunately, no matter how the Lions draft they're still going to end up drafting in the top ten again next year. So you might as well help your franchise QB out now, and then fix the defense next year. At least this way you've also got a pass rushing threat to help the defense out some.