OSU's Jamel Dean not medically cleared. High school coach: "You can't treat people this way."
OSU freshman corner and early-enrollee Jamel Dean was not cleared to play by OSU's medical staff. Accordingly, he will be transferring out of the program after just arriving on campus. In another PR mess for Meyer, his high school coach claims he's being pushed out:
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/04/jamel_dean_ohio_state_ro…
the SEC to the B1G!
People wanted to see the proof of kids being pushed out.... I guess this starts the dominoes?
Yeah it's pretty hard to argue this one. To play Devil's Advocate, if OSU team docs are legit that's not something an 18-year-old wants to hear. This is pretty smokey though.
if you think the bucky doc's don't play ball with the team and their needs that would be very naive thinking. Over-signing is remedied in several ways and the medical route has been used very effectively before.
their (sic) Hypocritical Oath, whether they should be brought up on board charges.
Per 11Warriors, the kid was tweeting about needing a meniscus transplant back in January.
Well, Meyer has 88 Scholarship players and has to get down to 85 by the start of the season.
This benefits OSU greatly, they can oversign take a look at them and then kick the kids off the team that appear to not be able to pan out. Poor kids.
Honestly, it is unfortunate for the kid but I don't think it will affect Meyer's ability to recruit at all. He is going to get almost anyone he wants at this point. I would like to convince myself that stories like this will hurt his ability to get kids, but I don't think it will make any difference whatsoever.
It is unlikely the conference will do anything because OSU just won the NC, and that is especially good when the B1G is about to renegotiate a very large TV contract.
Situations like this will, I'm sure, will cause Mike Weber to realize in the not too distant future the folly of his ways.
I think most kids are going to have the opinion that something like this will never happen to me and that's why it keeps happening. How many of these stories have we had over the years involving Meyer or the SEC. I know I sound jaded, but it just doesn't seem to make a difference. Kids still end up lining up to play for the same coaches that are always alleged to be involved in shady practices.
Alleged my ass.
Nobody seems to be mentioning the "shady practice" that happens most often between boosters and recruits in Columbus.
and in that case, that really isn't an Urban thing but more of an osu thing.
I thought this board was done harassing a teenager about his college choice but I guess I was wrong.
but in this case, I think harassment and "I told you so" are two different things.
Weber made his decision. What happens next is his concern. Don't you think there are, say, Ohio State fans pointing and laughing at Kyle Kalis for choosing to be part of a team that went 7-6 and 5-7 in his first two seasons on the field, instead of going to Ohio State and already having a title ring?
Spare me. Both sides are immature at best. No one needs a condescending lecture about "the folly of their ways".
If you need to say "i told you so" about a college kid's decision you need to reevaluate your life.
but I think you're taking me too literal. I am not suggesting that I, or anyone else, say or tweet or anything similar to Weber. The "I told you so" is more for us, I guess. But yeah, anyone who does say/tweet or anything else to a kid they don't know is wrong.
Right. I also want to add there's a difference between someone who chooses another school, in a manner that is classy than someone who wants to take a parting shot at the coaching staff at the school he passed on.
they aren't--if you are an adult and he is a teenager
you're absolutely right. Next sucker up...errr, I mean....next man up, right? He'll keep getting recruits and he'll keep treating a few of them just like he did to this kid. But that's why he'll always be a slime ball and we appreciate the coaching staff we have. Its what separates us from the cooler poopers. He CAN get anyone he wants...but obviously he doesn't have moral standards.
But that's why he'll always be a slime ball and we appreciate the coaching staff we have.With all due respect, let's see what happens after Harbaugh has elevated Michigan to OSU levels of achievement before we play the "that will never happen here" card. Harbaugh is every bit as competitive and obsessed with winning as Meyer and Saban are. If the day comes when he's placed himself securely at the top of the college football mountain, and every elite recruit in the country is beating down his door because he's the surest bet to a path to the NFL, lets see what happens then. Maybe he'd acquit himself precisely the way we've come to expect here at Michigan, but it's easy to cry foul of our more successful rivals when we're not swimming in the same pool as they are...yet.
That's an intelligent take. Urbz will continue to get basically who he wants for the most part, and most likely leave the profession before/if this stuff ever catches up to him.
It's not like they pushed some local 3 star out either. The kid had offers from some other serious football schools.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jamel-Dean-1550…
I said this in the 11W thread but it still applies here: Fuck OSU.
When does this not apply?
I meant the 11W thread just below this one. I don't go to 11W ever, too dirty... ewww.
I went there once. I left covered in santorum
That explains why I searched vigorously through the comments and could not find anything related to "fuck OSU"
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
probably didn't get 30 upvotes there.
Typical Urban Meyer.
/grabs your popcorn
What's the record for OSU threads in one day?
Sorry. I thought this was fairly significant news for a Wednesday afternoon.
No need to apologize. I agree. Very news worthy considering the stuff with Weber. I just thought it was customary to complain about the OP.
It is, especially if your name is MeanJoe07.
Let's see, Meyer has pissed off coaches in Michigan and Florida over his recruiting methods thus far and this coming off a championship season. Unless you knew the internal numbers needed to get the roster right, this move seemed pretty harmless. After signing, a kid has lost all his leverage when it comes to joining bigtime programs. Somehow, Meyer will find a way to massage the message and soften the pr damage without much harm.
Kids will still line up to play there anyway.
Kids are crazy, man.
I mean, it looks like oversigning. It smells like oversigning.
He just doesn't seem like a candidate who would end up as an oversigning casualty. He's not a 2* recruit or a 5th year senior who isn't on the 2-Deep. He's a 4* freshman who hasn't even been to a practice yet.
There has to be more to the story than they're letting on.
With their wealth of talent, I'm sure that any opportunity to trim the roster was necessary. They may not want to lose him over some 2-3* kid, but with him they had the excuse. Deniability is more important than a marginal difference in talent levels.
The problem is this: there's no way to know whether the injury is a legitimate career-ender, or whether this is merely pretext. There's never a good way to know. Legitimate career-ending injuries happen, and coaches are not wrong to put those kids on medical scholarship.
That's why the only solution is to incentivize coaches to retain every single player they recruit for as long as possible. The way to do that is to get rid of the whole notion of scholarship limits, and put a hard cap on each class. You get 20 guys each year, and you get them for their full elligibility. Attrition has zero effect on how many you can sign for the next class. Medical scholarships evaporate, because they no longer help coaches. And there's also no incentive to force students to transfer.
There's no way to know for sure, but the latest injury was a meniscus tear. Recovery time for that is typically, what, two months? If Dr. Andrews really did say that he would be recovered by summer, that's a huge red flag that something shady is going on.
I'm skeptical also. I'm just saying, there's a very simple way to take the guesswork out of all this, and that's the only way to truly solve the problem.