Offensive Gameplan vs Washington

Submitted by WalterWhite_88 on January 6th, 2024 at 12:58 PM

What do you guys think is the best game plan for attacking Washington's defense?

I'm personally getting flashbacks to TCU with everyone talking about how we should be able to pave this defense. I worry about us being stubborn with the inside run game when Wash inevitably gameplans to put 7-8 men in the box and also does various run blitzes, and then we get behind because drives get derailed because of it. We gotta take what the defense gives us, similar to what we were doing early in the year when defenses stacked the box against the run game so we passed with ease downfield. 

Hensons Mobile…

January 6th, 2024 at 1:01 PM ^

I'm personally getting flashbacks to TCU with everyone talking about how we should be able to pave this defense.

We scored 45 on TCU. If we score 45, I do think we win this time.

bamf_16

January 6th, 2024 at 1:06 PM ^

I’ve had similar thoughts. But, how much different is the TCU offensive gameplan and execution with Corum and a more experienced Mullings vs Edwards who was asked to run between the tackles more than he’s shown he can do consistently? The turnover at the 1, the turnover on downs, the pick 6’s were hopefully isolated gaffes limited to just that game.

It was the defense too that laid a few too many eggs in that game, most notably Turner, whose tackling issues reared their ugly heads at the most inopportune times.

 

I don’t really think you can take much from that loss last year and extrapolate to make a prediction about Monday night.

Hensons Mobile…

January 6th, 2024 at 1:15 PM ^

OP is asking about how to attack on offense. Seemed to imply we thought we'd roast TCU's D and that gives him pause.

We did roast TCU's D, so we turned out to be right.

IIRC (did not spend a ton of time rewatching the TCU game) we were marching up and down on them but effed up the first drive (going on 4th with the reverse to Loveland or however that went) and then the Wilson/Mullings overturn/fumble debacle.

We surely started throwing the ball around a ton more to play catch up. If we can get away with running the ball all day then we'll do that.

If Washington is scoring a ton, then we will use our "scoring offense." If it's just like TCU, then it will be fine. I don't know that it will be like TCU, but the OP made the comparison. And Washington has for sure given up a ton of points to mediocre-to-good offenses.

JJ had two huge errors last year with the pick sixes. I'd like to say that's out of his system but hard to have 100% faith considering his first throw of the Rose Bowl. He takes chances when he's rolling to the sideline and tries to hit guys on the edge of the field rather than just throw it away.

But I am not worried about "can we score on Washington?" Yes we can.

lhglrkwg

January 6th, 2024 at 1:38 PM ^

We did score 45...but we had 6 at half because our gameplan stunk and we didn't take what TCU was giving to us until it was too late. I am specifically afraid of Michigan thinking their base gameplan will work again and it takes us too long to adjust to Washington throwing 7 guys at the box every play

Hensons Mobile…

January 6th, 2024 at 1:58 PM ^

First drive we got down to the 2 yard line and blew it on the Loveland trick play.

Second drive the first play was a pick 6.

Third drive was a FG (3 passes, 4 runs).

(Edit: oops, third drive was a punt. Then the FG drive. Hurts my case.)

Fourth drive, first play was a 50 yard TD pass to Roman, inexplicably placed at the 1. Mullings fumbles the next play.

Fifth drive, on 2nd and 2 Edwards somehow ran for a loss of 2 (don't have the replay available). Incomplete pass on third. Punt.

Sixth drive, too many plays to recap. Run/pass mix, big sack is in there somewhere. Clearly a bad drive, ends in a punt. We're down 21-3 at this point.

Seventh drive, Moody attempts (misses) 59 yard FG at the end of the half. We're very much in a passing mode by now. Go to the 2nd half, and our next 6 drives are scoring drives...including one of which was a TCU score because of another pick 6.

So, yeah, cut down on missing two opportunities from the 1 yard line and avoid pick sixes and we are in better shape. Driving the ball on them was not a problem.

jdraman

January 6th, 2024 at 2:07 PM ^

And we also needed 18 possessions to score those 45 points, which is not good. Hasn’t this been discussed here already? The offensive game plan going into the TCU game wasn’t good last season and it took far too long for Michigan to adjust and get to stuff that worked, I thought that was like an agreed upon thing. 
 

honestly the game plan against Alabama was so superior compared to the TCU one that I would be surprised if they came into this game against Washington and reverted back into the ‘21-‘22 shell of slamming RBs into stacked boxes. Better execution on offense against Alabama (JJ making some better decisions and throws, Morgan and Edwards not dropping passes, Corum playing the whole game like that last TD run, etc.) and Michigan probably scores another 7-10 points in regulation.

Hensons Mobile…

January 6th, 2024 at 2:19 PM ^

I either checked out after TCU or am repressing everything. Is that really the consensus? I don't understand this.

Second guessing the Loveland double reverse pass from 4th and 2 is easy after the fact. If that's being counted against the game plan, fine, but that's not running into a stacked box. Neither are two pick sixes. And the Mullings first down fumble...I don't know how you can fault the play call (other than giving it an inexperienced RB, but there was no Blake Corum).

brad

January 6th, 2024 at 4:18 PM ^

Yes, that is the concensus.  When you develop your game plan during the game you're playing, you have not prepared at all.  The fact that we were not prepared at all is obvious when you watch just the first half of that game.  The box score of M vs TCU hides a mountain of context that no one wants to see repeated, especially Michigan's game planners.

The OP is spot on.  We need to identify what UW is taking away and work away from that.  They can't take away everything, and we can do everything, so there are going to be yards available in chunks right from the jump and all game long.

Romeo50

January 6th, 2024 at 1:04 PM ^

Writing articles envious of their culture and hiring firms to investigate their success. If that doesn't work hold your breath until the NCAA suspends their coach and QB. Cheaper than bags of cash, steroids or grades falsification.

Just spitballin'.

Mgoscottie

January 6th, 2024 at 1:05 PM ^

Watching the Texas game it's hard to not come away thinking they should have run it more. It looked like 8 yards per carry right out the gate. Break their souls if that's the case. Demoralize them. 

1VaBlue1

January 6th, 2024 at 5:51 PM ^

That's the reason why play callers like Sarkesian and Lincoln Riley won't ever win big - they need to be the fanciest, smartest guy in the room.  They're going to throw the ball in sophisticated pass schemes that are beautiful to watch - until they get smacked in the face.  They simply don't know how to win a hard, physical game against good defenses.  They'll double down on the fancy passing, which is exactly what Sark did.  He had to keep up with Washington's offense instead of going the other way and slowing it down to even things out.  Texas was never going to win a track meet against Washington, but they could have just run it down UW's throat and kept Penix off the field.

Don't think for a minute that Jim fucking Harbaugh won't take the opportunity to run it down UW's throat all night, in a variety of different ways.  I also believe that he'll unleash JJ's arm when the box gets over 8.  What he won't do is get into a scoring race with an offense built to score - unless he has to because Michigan is shooting off it's own foot again.

But, I mean, that seems to be Michigan's MO in playoff games.  So buckle up!

GRBluefan

January 6th, 2024 at 1:06 PM ^

Had this same discussion in a text string last night, so I’ll paste my thoughts:

i think we will be less run heavy...remember TCU firing LBs at us all damn day last year?  I think we will short pass them to death for a few drives while they overplay the run and then hammer away for victory once they start playing normal d.

Mercury Hayes

January 6th, 2024 at 1:20 PM ^

Flinging linebackers at us didn’t matter when we still scored 45 with 4 turnovers (2 on the goal line). 
 

Every team flings LBs at us. And Michigan can win when that happens.  Leave the middle open and we have two TEs that will feast. We could also hit them with screen passes to Semaj. 
 

or just pick up the blitz and run through it 

1VaBlue1

January 6th, 2024 at 5:57 PM ^

It DID matter!  The offense didn't change from getting stopped to scoring until they were down 21-3 and had to change.  Once the change was made to use JJ's legs, throw downfield when the LB's came hard, and to get the ball outside the tackles there was no stopping Michigan.  We all knew that would be the case - but it took Michigan's coaches most of the first half to figure it out and stop being so fucking stubborn.

nmwolverine

January 6th, 2024 at 1:09 PM ^

Just don’t pull a Lloyd Carr against WSU and fritter away the advantage in the trenches until the fourth quarter.  Also be prepared for five receiver sets from which they pass or run.  Random thought- part of Penix’ apparent long ball accuracy is Odunze being able to run under the ball and out position his defender.  Having said that, I also see Penix fire Brady style 10-12 yard passes on a rope with perfect accuracy.  Be ready for a really good game plan from UW on both sides of the ball.

MGoTakedown

January 6th, 2024 at 1:16 PM ^

We didn't have Blake Corum last year vs TCU. I have to believe he is enough to win that game. The best way to neutralize Penix is to keep him off the field. The run game is the best way to do that. I don't think we should run into a brick wall, and I don't think that will be the game plan either. If they send the LB's and safeties then short passes to keep them honest. After that, just let that clock run during some long scoring drives.

VintageBlue

January 6th, 2024 at 1:22 PM ^

It will be interesting. This will be first time all year where the Michigan offense faces a mediocre P5 defense in a game they actually give a shit about. Elite defenses has kept them in the 24-30 range, though M played differently on offense against both Iowa and PSU because of the opposing offense's relative struggles. Here there's nothing to save, not worried about reps for second teamers, not worried about putting anything on film, it's all there for Washington. 

I don't see how Michigan doesn't get into the mid-30s which would leave Washington having to do outperform their best output against lesser defenses. Which...good luck. 

 

JonnyHintz

January 6th, 2024 at 1:22 PM ^

I'm personally getting flashbacks to TCU with everyone talking about how we should be able to pave this defense.
 

Well we scored 45 points, not including Wilson’s TD that was ruled short and fumbled on the 1 the next play, and put up 528 yards of offense at 8.65 yards per play… are you living in some alternate reality where we didn’t pave their defense? 
 

We lost that game because we had multiple turnovers that directly resulted in a 21 point swing in TCU’s favor. Two pick 6’s and a fumble at the opponent’s 1 yard line is going to hinder your chances of winning any game. But the offense was mowing TCU down last year, specifically in the second had. 
 

Washington’s defense is similar to TCU’s statistically, and while I agree we need to take what is given and not be stubborn, the gameplan is to not beat ourselves. Michigan will likely move the ball and score with relative ease. The key is going to be not turning it over on offense, and for the defense to get some stops and hold Washington to field goals. 

natesezgoblue

January 6th, 2024 at 1:29 PM ^

Washington IMO the most trouble with the run when stretched horizontally.  It keeps the OLBS leaning towards the edge/flat/hook.  Look to see early hitches/outs and swings.  when it works the safeties will lean that way too.  We will run a lot.  I wouldn't be surprised if Edwards has a huge game.  

On D i dont expect to see a lot of high risk blitzes.  We'll let the DLine operate per usual.  Washington will get first downs, i think we limit their big plays tho.  I Washington has success running the ball, i think we're in trouble.  

 

lhglrkwg

January 6th, 2024 at 1:36 PM ^

I think we *should* go heavy play action because Washington is gonna look at Michigan run O vs. Washington run D and say 'we cannot cannot cannot let them establish the run'. That should lead to tons of real estate at the LB level for Colston and WR digs

Double-D

January 6th, 2024 at 1:46 PM ^

I am hoping to see a well balanced offense. UW should not be able to stop us unless we become predictable.

I think UW knows they will need to take chances to stop us. They give up 400 yards per game.

I want our offense to put the pedal down and keep it there. We don’t want to let Penix hang around. 

njvictor

January 6th, 2024 at 1:55 PM ^

Do what we've been doing the whole year. Try to establish the run and if they're stacking the box, then let JJ cook. Sherrone was just able to scheme up some very nice plays against one of the best defenses in the country and I'm sure he has more up his sleeve. This game is really gonna have to be like 2021 and 2022 OSU. Washington is going to get theirs, but we need to prevent big plays, crackdown in the redzone, and limit them to field goals

stephenrjking

January 6th, 2024 at 1:58 PM ^

I sure hope that they don't bang their head against the wall if Washington is firing downhill with 8 in the box.

But I don't think they will; even in Michigan's relatively easy games before the murderer's row in November, Michigan showed a willingness to pass against aggressive fronts almost from kickoff, and they passed effectively. Michigan *will* keep trying the run even if some early efforts are stymied, because they have more than one basic run play and getting that moving will be important for the larger offense.

I do think that Blake is a huge difference-maker here. We missed him badly against TCU, and he looked fantastic against Bama, even beyond the couple big plays. The only thing that really slowed him down was that he only got 19 carries. He had several runs where it looked like he was more explosive than he's been all season, including that TD. 

Brian's preview is excellent, and my eeyore what-could-go-wrong mind notes that it's the middle of the field with good coverage and now I wonder if that's bad since our best receiving advantage is the middle of the field, while our outside guys are good but not world-beaters. But that's eeyore talking; Bama's pass D was great and Michigan got all kinds of stuff against them.

I have to trust that the coaches and the team are going to be ready. 

Go Blue. 

k.o.k.Law

January 6th, 2024 at 2:02 PM ^

We ran a different offense most of the Rose Bowl.  I do not see how UW can get ready for

everything we can do in only one week.

We will move the ball in multiple ways.