No Fans for March Madness
The atmosphere is gonna be a joke.
tell another lie
No one is making you watch
It's amazing how many men in the country simply stoped growing emotionally, itellectually and personally in the 8th fucking grade.
You're not hte only one dude, but man... you display your myopia and selfishness so acutely
Okay, enlightened one.
You'd be pretty upset too if you were planning on attending the NCAA Tournament for the first time ever and had set aside the money a year in advance to do so.
I'm allowed to be annoyed. That said, the safety and health of our 31 teams is the most important thing to me. I include it in my prayers ever since the MBB plane crash of 2017 and said on here that we should pull out of the B1G Tournament if there were any reservations about traveling after that.
I'm also not freaking out like most others are. Take a look at these numbers from JHU. Look how many have recovered.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
I was supposed to go to Europe in a couple months. Been setting aside the money for a long time.
99.99 percent chance I'm not going.
Grow up. Things are bigger than ourselves.
But look at how cheap all the deals are! Take the risk, if it goes bad at least you're going down in a 5 star hotel eh.
Already paid. Honestly, I don't want to risk it at this point.
It is not a surprise that many people have recovered, even if the mortality rate was 3%, most people would recover. Take some time to educate yourself. Look at what is actually happening in Italy as ww speak. Hospitals are being completely overwhelmed. Listen to what Dr Fauci had to say to congress today
Fauci warned that the outbreak in the U.S. is going to get worse before it gets better and said the U.S. must act quickly to stem the spread of the coronavirus.
He said how much worse it gets depends on the country’s ability to contain the influx of infected people coming to the U.S. from other countries, as well as the ability to contain and mitigate the virus domestically.
“Bottom line: It’s going to get worse,” Fauci said. “If we don’t do very serious mitigation now, what’s going to happen is we’re going to be weeks behind,” in containing the spread of the virus.
I was planning on going. Didn't get tix yet. Planned on taking the fam to the ECAC hockey tourney this weekend too. Those games were among the 1st to be cancelled in the nation.
My wife was going to Vegas for a medical conference in April. Had Circ de Solie tix. Gone. Hospital mandated no travelling for national conferences.
It sucks. Grow the fuck up and put your big boy pants on. Be annoyed, but learn to have a bigger perspective beyond yourself.
Your prayers will to do nothing but these measures will save lives.
Of course a huge %age of ppl will recover. You and your family will likely be fine. Not everyone will be. I'll post this for the 4th time: We need to flatten the curve to avoid the most at risk populations from overwhelming the healthcare systems in this country.
Maybe everything will be OK. Let's all do our individual best to make sure we have the best change of that to happen.
Caring more about the atmosphere of games than peoples lives. There's a fucking joke
This is the right call.
"MARCH SADNESS"
COPYRIGHT, TRADEMARK THAT'S MINE NOW
I’ll probably get negged for saying this
You are correct
So, I have a couple questions:
1. How do conference tournaments continue with fans in the stands?
2. Why not play on campuses instead?
Seems silly to play in 20,000 seat stadiums. Plus, I'm not sure how many fans feel like flying to Washington or Ohio for a weekend right now.
How about playing the Final Four in a completely empty football stadium? That’s going to be ridiculous.
NCAA already looking into a smaller venue.
It ultimately may get cancelled. Many schools can't take chartered flights, and airports are vectors. What a bummer.
Seems like we are days (hours?) away from every large group activity being cancelled. No cruises (why are these still happening anyway), conferences, big meetings, theme park trips are going to happen.
Beyond the obvious above does this get to movies, bars, restaurants? What about large work sites such as offices and major construction projects? Factories? Of course most modern factories have a limited number of people who are spread out. the next month is going to get very interesting
I'm interested to see what happens with theme parks as well. We're scheduled to take the kids to Disney World for spring break in a few weeks. Despite the deep discounts on airfare, I think we're going to stick to our plans to drive down there...if the parks are still open by that point.
A place like Disney with thousands of tourists from all over the country (and some international, I'm sure) makes me concerned. I'm sure a place like Disney would work harder to maintain cleanliness better than most anywhere else you could go, but there's only so much you can do with many thousands of people around.
None of my family have significant risk factors for the disease, but potentially bringing it back home to other family members who are elderly and have health issues is even more concerning.
I think the odds that Disney is open in a few weeks are low. I know on CNBC they keep talking about waiting for the parks to close before buying Disney stock. The thought is that it is a very strong company but in the short term it is going to get killed and that the parks closing is inevitable at this point.
We're supposed to be there at the end of June for a dance competition. About 50-50 right now.
I think you may be right. After the conference tournaments end, the athletes/coaches may have had enough of playing in an empty arena. Of course the competitiveness takes over but it’s got to be a weird vibe.
This is the right decision but events may overtake it; by Sunday all mass gatherings may be banned or teams/families/school personnel/refs/NCAA officials may not feel like getting on planes and staying in hotels in as many as three different venues.
As a lifelong resident of Albany, the smallest of the first-round venues, I am so saddened by the loss of revenue and exposure that the NCAA tournament would have brought here. I attended the first- and second-round games here in the 1990s and it was like nothing else in bringing a small city like this together, especially because our arena is located in heart of our small downtown. If Michigan winds up coming here under these conditions, my Wolverine family will be so sad that they will be so close yet so far. My mother loves Zavier Simpson and it would have been so cool for her to see him in person. But still, the right decision.
at least brooks was being proactive with his mask
Benefits Michigan due to their experience playing in a ballroom in the Bahamas.
If one of the eight people in the U.S. who have recovered from the virus wants to attend the games, can they? They're no longer contagious and they have immunity.
Asking for a friend.
There was a person who got Coronavirus twice already
Story?!
It was in China, I think. https://fortune.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-recover-test-positive-twice/
Michigan is used to playing in a silent arena, so this should give us an advantage.
A reporter just asked Austin Davis about this and his take is “You mean play games without the fans? No. It’s impossible. I ain’t playing. Not without the fans in the crowd,” Davis told reporters “That’s who I play for. … If I show up to an arena, and there ain’t no fans there, I ain’t playing. So they can do what they want to do,” he said.
I guess the philosophy is when in doubt, go to irrational, crazy panic.
The desire to "do something," even if it's the wrong thing, and even if it accomplishes exactly nothing, is strong among politicians and those who want to be politicians.
Anybody who thinks that keeping fans away from sporting venues is going to somehow stop the spread of a virus is nuts. And, yes, I've heard how we need to "slow it down." This isn't going to do that, either. The disease is already present nationwide. We're just not testing for it widely yet.
Pretty much every word of this is wrong. It’s impressive, really.
Well, you're the expert. OK, everyone- back to business as usual!
BTW, where'd you get your (obvious) degrees public health, public policy, epidemiology and/or medicine?
What I have is an understanding of the real world, which something that is sorely lacking among the public sector in general and politicians in particular.
I don't need a public health degree to tell you that person-to-person transmission is already happening everywhere, and will continue to happen, because Americans are not going to live under the sort of restrictions that have been put in place in China -- which, by the way, didn't actually save the thousands of Chinese who died from the virus.
We are all far better off if we simply accept reality rather than trying to run from it.
ETA: The fact that the TSA exists is the best possible evidence of this phenomenon. It serves no purpose and costs billions of dollars a year, but the government is "doing something" about terrorism.
Shutting down the NCAA tournament is going to.. send a bunch of fans to sports bars where, guess what -- they'll transmit the virus.
Except there's a huge difference between dumb behavior and officially sanctioning said behavior.
which, by the way, didn't actually save the thousands of Chinese who died from the virus
JFC, man.
Listen to your public health experts. Listen to your physicians. Listen to the WHO and the people reporting to the US Congress about this issue. Listen to your state depts. of health.
I am listening. I wash my hands; I don't cough on other people; I stay home from work when I'm sick. In other words, I do the things that actually matter -- the things recommend by people whose job doesn't depend upon the existence of a crisis.
When everything is a crisis, nothing is a crisis. The "experts" have warned about so many crises that I've lost count. The one thing that they all have in common is that the alleged solutions to the crises involve giving more and more money and power to the government or quasi-governmental agencies -- for our own good, of course.
I am an adult, and I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself whether or not the risks of traveling to an NCAA tournament game outweigh the benefits. I do not need Mark Emmert or anyone else to make that decision for me.
I am listening....I do the things that actually matter.
as long as it's convienient for you. Point is, you're choosing to only listen to experts as long as you're not inconvieninced. Accept the reality that you live in a society and that your personal convienience is outweighted by the risk to public health.
The one thing that they all have in common is that the alleged solutions to the crises involve giving more and more money and power to the government
you just godwin'd the arguement. politicizing this just says this argument is pointless
I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself whether or not the risks of traveling to an NCAA tournament game outweigh the benefits
yeah, the risks to *you* and the benefits to *YOU*
as long as it's convienient for you. Point is, you're choosing to only listen to experts as long as you're not inconvieninced. Accept the reality that you live in a society and that your personal convienience is outweighted by the risk to public health.
I live in the USA.
yeah, the risks to *you* and the benefits to *YOU*
Ditto.
Ultimately, this is a political argument -- or, at least, a cultural one. Some cultures are much more receptive to the idea of accepting an individual burden for the sake of the greater good than others are. Traditionally, the US has been much further on the individualist side than many other countries.
Neither you, nor the head of my state's health department, has the right to tell me what not to do, provided that it is not contrary to law. What rights the state does have are granted by the people, not vice versa. It's a principle that we seem to have forgotten in many cases. You can ask -- you can make your argument. But, ultimately, I decide.
I haven't seen this much panic since 9/11 -- and this may end up being worse, because It didn't take long after 9/11 for Americans to realize that the immediate threat had passed.
It makes me sad to see teams capitulate. I would have loved to see the NCAA go to court to protest the Ohio decree that led to this mess. The problem is, there's so much panic that fighting this would have been bad PR.
Idiot
There is a difference between thinking you have an understanding of the real world and actually having one.
Once this virus started, thousands of deaths were inevitable. How we react to it will determine if thousands becomes tens of thousands or even more. Somehow waiting around until our hospitals are overwhelmed like Italy doesn’t seem the best course of action.
Who knew we had a bonafide epidemiologist on the board? One who hadn't heard of #flattenthecurve
All of the panic and reaction to this virus is curious, but it makes one wonder what the response would be to a true disease catastrophe (i.e. something on the scale of bubonic plague - which wiped out around 50 million, 60% of the population of Europe, in the 14th century).
Don't worry. We'll find out soon enough.
Doubtful. To compare, with the bubonic plague a young, healthy individual would be fine one day, seriously ill the next, and dead the following day. And this happened to practically every family and affected all ages.
This virus is not nearly as destructive and is mostly limited in mortality to the elderly with compromised immune systems. This is not the same level of severity and will not even be close when coronavirus infections hit peak numbers.
From the reaction, you’d think it was going to wipe out 50 million.