NFL Combine Final #s
QB Shea Patterson
Height: 6’0 7/8”
Weight: 212
Arm: 30 1/2”
Hand: 9 3/8”
Wingspan: 73 4/8”
Bench Press: DNP
40 Yard Dash: 4.71 (5th)
Vertical: 31” (T-5th)
Broad Jump: 9’8” (6th)
3 Cone Drill: 7.14s (T-3rd)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.50s (6th)
WR Donovan People’s-Jones
Height: 6’1 5/8”
Weight: 212
Arm: 33 1/2”
Hand: 10 1/8”
Wingspan: 79 2/8”
Bench Press: DNP
40 Yard Dash: 4.48 (T-10th)
Vertical: 44 1/2” (1st)
Broad Jump: 11’7” (1st)
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
TE Sean McKeon
Height: 6’5”
Weight: 242
Arm: 33 1/2”
Hand: 9 1/8”
Wingspan: 78 6/8”
Bench Press: 18 reps (T-4th)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
OT Jon Runyan
Height: 6’4 1/4”
Weight: 306
Arm: 33 1/4”
Hand: 9 1/8”
Wingspan: 79 5/8”
Bench Press: 24 reps (T-10th)
40 Yard Dash: 5.08 (T-9th)
Vertical: 30 1/2” (T-7th)
Broad Jump: 8’11” (T-11th)
3 Cone Drill: 7.57s (3rd)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.69s (9th)
OG Ben Bredeson
Height: 6’4 5/8”
Weight: 315
Arm: 31 1/8”
Hand: 10 1/8”
Wingspan: 76 6/8”
Bench Press: DNP
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
OG Mike Onwenu
Height: 6’2 5/8”
Weight: 344
Arm: 34 4/8”
Hand: 10 1/2”
Wingspan: 82”
Bench Press: 26 reps (T-8th)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
OC Cesar Ruiz
Height: 6’2 3/4”
Weight: 307
Arm: 33 1/8”
Hand: 11”
Wingspan: 79 5/8”
Bench Press: 28 reps (T-6th)
40 Yard Dash: 5.08 (T-9th)
Vertical: 33” (T-4th)
Broad Jump: 9’5” (T-5th)
3 Cone Drill: 7.91 (13th)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.64s (4th)
LB Josh Uche
Height: 6’1 2/8”
Weight: 245
Arm: 33 5/8”
Hand: 9 4/8”
Wingspan: 80”
Bench Press: 18 reps (T-8th)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
LB Khaleke Hudson
Height: 5’11”
Weight: 224
Arm: 29 3/8”
Hand: 10”
Wingspan: 72 5/8”
Bench Press: 30 reps (1st)
40 Yard Dash: 4.56 (8th)
Vertical: 33” (T-10th)
Broad Jump: 10’ (T-11th)
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
CB Lavert Hill
Height: 5’10”
Weight: 190
Arm: 30 7/8”
Hand: 9 1/8”
Wingspan: 74 3/8”
Bench Press: 21 reps (T-2nd)
40 Yard Dash: DNP
Vertical: DNP
Broad Jump: DNP
3 Cone Drill: DNP
20 Yard Shuttle: DNP
S Josh Metellus
Height: 5’11”
Weight: 209
Arm: 32 2/8”
Hand: 10 2/8”
Wingspan: 75 5/8”
Bench Press: 20 reps (T-3rd)
40 Yard Dash: 4.55 (10th)
Vertical: 36 1/2” (5th)
Broad Jump: 10’4” (T-7th)
3 Cone Drill: 6.94s (4th)
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.40s (6th)
He was the fifth fasted QB tested. That's not "slow".
On edit: I'm also shocked that Shea is 212 pounds and so close to 6'1". Seeing him on the field he looked much smaller than that.
The biggest surprise for me was how strong Vert is. There was talk last year that both him and DL could be first 3 rounds. Not saying he had a bad year, but all big ten hype and fringe AA was being thrown around. His brother has found a way to stick in the league, LockdownLew and Lano have been grooming Vert for years, but for Vert to be the strongest of the 3 blows my mind. Him coming back to school and working on his craft and strength will hopefully propel him to a long NFL career.
Cheers
Not saying he had a bad year, but all big ten hype and fringe AA was being thrown around. His brother has found a way to stick in the league,
Delano was also 3 inches taller and 26 lbs heavier, but just as fast. Delano is 6'1" 216 and ran a 4.47 40 vs Lavert's 5'10" 190. My hunch is they probably have identical speed, but that's good for a safety and average for a corner. Delano has good size for a safety and Lavert is undersized for a corner.
Yeah, Shea’s not as fast as Vince Young or Johnny Football (off the booze), but he’s still pretty fast for a QB.
I’m not sure what you watched to make you think Shea was anything more than a 4.7 guy, but you clearly have high standards... and a shit attitude.
Here's a list of the 40 times of all starting NFL QBs circa 10 months ago
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Lamar Jackson: 4.34 at Louisville team testing*
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Marcus Mariota: 4.52u
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Russell Wilson: 4.53u
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Cam Newton: 4.56u
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Deshaun Waton: 4.66u
T-6. Andrew Luck: 4.67u
T-6. Mitchell Trubisky: 4.67u
8. Derek Carr: 4.69u
9.Aaron Rodgers: 4.71u
T-10. Ben Roethlisberger: 4.75u
T-10. Josh Allen: 4.75u
12. Carson Wentz: 4.77u
13. Dak Prescott: 4.79u
14. Patrick Mahomes: 4.80u
15. Matthew Stafford: 4.81u
T-16. Jared Goff: 4.82u
T-16. Andy Dalton: 4.82u
18. Drew Brees: 4.83u
T-19. Baker Mayfield: 4.84u
T-19. Joe Flacco: 4.84u
T-19. Kirk Cousins: 4.84u
22. Sam Darnold: 4.85u
23. Matt Ryan: 4.89u
T-24. Josh Rosen: 4.92u
T-24. Eli Manning 4.92u
T-26. Jimmy Garoppolo: 4.97u
T-26. Jameis Winston: 4.97u
28. Dwayne Haskins(?): 5.04u
29. Phillip Rivers: 5.08u
30. Nick Foles: 5.14u
31. Tom Brady: 5.28u
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/bkfekf/oc_list_of_all_starting_nfl_qbs_40yard_dash_times/
Shea's limitations aren't related to his speed. It's his everything else that is the problem.
You should probably try logging off of the internet and eating more paint, asshole.
Buddy 4.71 is not fast but its not slow either. Based on the list above Shea is faster than approximately two thirds of the QBs in the NFL. Clearly not slow. lol
Also, chill out. You're embarrassing yourself.
Shea 4.71 was 6th...of 13.
Selection bias. Look it up smart guy.
You should drink that piss.
Shea was a mediocre college QB who was decently fast. Nothing more. Nothing less. The guy will be lucky to be drafted at all.
Weirdo. There's no way you went to Michigan.
4.71 is pretty fast for a QB. 5.07 is not "not far behind" 4.71. That is a huge difference.
4.71 is very fast for a QB. I’m fast for an average human and my 40 is 4.8. Never trained for it though so probably could get it down a tick or two though.
Most of us online have your 40 time beat. My informal survey shows that most MGOBLOGGERS have a time of 4.57 to 4.64 and only 27% of those surveyed have ever trained.
Yeah but how much do you bench?
5 fakes out of 5
Dude, I'm 62 and I've done this 40 in 4.63. After 4 12 oz. curls. With a sprained ankle.
.4 seconds isn’t “Not far behind.” It’s quite a bit of a difference.
Straight line speed also has nothing to do with pocket maneuverability and escapability. Agility tests would show that more.
Metellus did better than OSUs receivers in the 40.
sad part about your statement is they still torched him on the field. He looked lost on the field against OSU the last two years in coverage.
Seriously? I don’t think any of us saw the games from the last two years. Thanks for the analysis.
on a side note, 30.5 inch vertical for Runyan, well done!
The WRs torched Shea? Do you understand football and sentence structure?
My takeaway, for his height DPJ has an exceptionally long wingspan and large hands. Same for Josh Metellus.
I'm glad we took advantage of DPJ's athletic freakishness this year
Crazy observation. Never heard this one before. Smdh.......
First off, I am a fan of Jim Harbaugh on many fronts.
However, the numbers these kids are putting up certainly does nothing to dissuade me from my contention that the major onus of responsibility for this teams underperformance falls on coaching. Coaches are responsible for utilizing each player's abilities and putting them in a position to succeed. Something is amiss here.
They (DPJ, Black, Collins) were 'crooted to play in Pep's pro-style, but nobody (WRs, QBs, or RBs) could figure it out in the time they had to work with it (20 hrs/week). It failed - Pep's passing game was an abject failure here. Gattis' offense had a steep learning curve, which they're still working on. We saw it get a lot better later in the year, but it still needs work.
The change in offensive styles is an effort to catch up to the rest of college football by making much better use of the athletes available as weapons. We saw it's benefit late in the season, and we'll see more this coming season. Hopefully, whichever QB replaces Patterson will be better equipped to run it than Shea was.
I won't make an argument that player development couldn't be better. But I'll put some of the issues on the near constant changing of offensive styles and coaching turnover. I hope that stability with the Offensive staff this off-season reaps some benefits for the players.
DPJ's wingspans is 6'7"! (that's usually more how basketball players are built)
We'll know more once the players get a few years into the league.
I love DPJ since he committed, rooted for him all the way, and will still fondly remember the great plays (and his blocks!) he had as a wolverine.
But measureables are just that, isolated measurements. Putting it all together is what the game is about. Plenty of combine players put up freak numbers in isolation which never transition to the field.
I agree with your theory, it seems like the timing was just unfortunate for us not to utilize DPJ (and others) in a better way, but we'll see. The one hang up, which was apparent even in his 40-yd dash, was that he is such a long-strider. Which no one would say is an advantage at WR, where the tighter, more compact footwork is always the advantage.
But we'll see. Plenty of long-striders have done well (Funchess for one), and there's every indication that DPJ is a physical freak and have an exciting career (and maybe chip on the shoulder) in the the NFL!
I'm genuinely curious to see what our QB (whoever it will be) can do in the 2nd year of the same system. Seriously feels like the lack of offensive continuity with the revolving door at both QB and OC has been the team's achilles heel under Harbaugh. Couple that with subpar offensive line play early in his tenure and I think you have 95 percent of the offensive issues covered.
This has to be the year everything comes together offensively. The QB will be in his 2nd year learning the system. There is no change at OC. Things must be ready to go from the 1st game on. Maybe some hiccups to start the year but by-and-large things must be ready to go from the first snap of the season.
I think your point is valid, but one could also blame the head coach for multiple failed position coaches or coaches that have no loyalty and leave at the first sign of another offer. This type of high turnover could be on Harbaugh as well. It’s one thing if you’re Alabama and coaches get groomed and leave due to promotions, but I don’t think we could say the same.
A lot of the turnover has been promotion related. The exceptions are Drevno, who was a good OL coach that got promoted out of his range as an OC; and Pep, who had a too-complicated system and little ability to teach it. The other turnovers were promotional...
I'd like to understand your contention and what it's based on.
Let's limit it to this thread though - I assume you're noting Metellus' 40 time and DPJ's overall dominance of the combine as reasons why coaching is the problem?
Metellus was a good player for Michigan. He's a 9-3 / 10-2 type of player. Do you think he was as good as Ohio State's safeties? In 2017 Malik Hooker went in the first round. This year Jordan Fuller will go in the 2nd or 3rd*. Metellus won't sniff that. He's a late round pick or UDFA. And before you get into "if he were developed, he may have gone higher", the NFL drafts on potential all the time. If he was a 3rd string career back-up at Michigan and had the measurables, they'd draft him. But Metellus was not - there's ample film on him from years of play, and he's a 6th rounder to UDFA. You could argue that Harbaugh and staff overachieved with him at safety (or one could argue that they should have recruited a better player to substitute for Metellus... but that's the opposite of your argument). This would also be more of a critique of Don Brown than Harbaugh. Brown is revered as one of the best in the business at developing defensive players.
DPJ dominated the combine, just like everyone knew he would. I'm very open to the idea that the ball should have gone to him more, but when I think about it, who should have gotten it less? I would have preferred Nico Collins received more targets this year, and most Michigan fans, posters on this board, and the proprietor of this site would agree. So then less targets to Bell? Maybe, but bell was a very productive receiver who made a lot of his opportunities. Based on his play, and even with the insane measurables, it seems like DPJ is going to be a mid-round pick. Someone may reach for him, but if they do it will be based on potential and not production. Maybe that's lack of development, but I see a crazy athlete who doesn't have great hands and isn't elite at getting open, which are the two most important things for a WR. Josh Gattis has quite an amazing record of developing WR's going back several stops, and Harbaugh brought him in. DPJ was hurt much of spring last year, so maybe that hurt his development if in fact he was under-developed. But here as well, Ohio State had two WR's taken in the second round 2017-19, another in the 3rd, and another in the 7th. DPJ is a guy who helps you go 9-3 / 10-2. Ohio State has playoff guys. I think part of this is just luck, as OSU wanted DPJ as badly as Michigan.
*They also had an incredible 3 cornerbacks go in the first round 2017-2019, and another in the fourth
thread-worthy in its own right. excellent post.
DPJ has great talent and skills, but doesn't have "it." Bell has lesser talent and skills but has "it." There's an intangible field awareness and achievement-ability that some players have and others don't. I don't know, is it vision? Heart? Something else? A combination of things?
Most of these kids from most of these schools are putting up good numbers.
Michigan is winning a lot of games. Clearly we all want more.
DPJ's broad jump is also nuts. For reference that's the third-longest jump since at least 2003. His vertical is tied for sixth all-time.
What really sticks out to me is how many DNPs I see. For 1st rounders I get it, and injuries, but I don’t know if there are any first round locks. I haven’t seen much about why so many skipped drills.
I wondered that too. DNP’s on most guys. I knew Uche and Bredeson little hamstring tweaks. But what’s with the others? Why they quitting school, spending thousands of dollars at “combine prep” camps, then not competing? It makes no sense.
Obviously someone is advising them not to. And presumably they have a good reason.
Yeah, the guys have already been practicing these combine tests on their own. They know the ones they're not good at doing. So some of them will choose not to participate in those tests, since that's allowed at the combine.
Seems strange to be just advertising that they're not good at those though. Like "Hey I'm not that quick so I'm not gonna waste your time with the 3 cone drill." Kind of a lose lose if you're gonna put up a bad time anyway, but I guess they hope teams' assumptions about what their scores would be are better than the reality.
I think there's some evidence/literature out there that combine testing isn't necessarily indicative of ability on the football field, particularly at a given position. So you might find a lot of, say, linemen don't participate in the 3-cone drill. I'd be curious to know the relative percentage for each position that participate/DNP in each drill.
Also, players may opt not to participate in a given drill at the combine, but instead do it at the Michigan pro day. Not sure if there's any difference in format, but it may just be a preference thing.
For some reason, pro day testing results tend to be better than combine results. From what I've heard there are ways to create advantages in certain drills on your pro day whereas at the combine there is no way to do so. I do not know what those advantages are, this is simply what I've heard while paying attention to sports media over the years.
I'd rather see numbers than a player sitting the event out. Makes me think that the record books should show our losses to Ohio as Michigan dnp.
It makes sense to me. Just remember these guys are going through full medical evaluations (by every team's set of doctors), interviews, tests, and a lot of "other stuff" during the week so they can't focus as much on the physical testing.
I would bet most of these guys will go through the full testing during the pro day when they have less to worry about from the mental side.
I'm guessing that they are planning to wait until the school's pro day to do those events. Some of them are trying to get their wheels healthy and need some more time. Others probably planning to focus on preparing for them until then and hoping to squeeze out a little more improvement.
That was my guess as well. Maybe sitting out a drill here or there like Shea and bench is no big deal. But to sit on all the strength or all the foot speed drills is a red flag unless you plan to handle that at pro day.
Ruiz - late 1
Bredeson - mid 3rd
Hill - late 3rd
Hudson - 4th
Runyan - 4th
DPJ - 5th
Onwenu - 5th
Uche - 5th
McKeon - 6th
Metellus - 7th
I've seen Uche mocked as high as the third. Tore it up at the Senior Bowl. I think DPJ will be a late steal. Anyone who watched our games can see he was criminally under-utilized. I could see Hudson being a good pro as well. Could be a good backup plan in a later round for whatever team really wants Isaiah Simmons and misses out. Also, the fact that we have 4 Linemen likely to be drafted really makes you wonder just how much of our problems were just Shea. The weapons on offense this year were just stupid. They just never got the ball on time.
DPJ was good but I think he was our 3rd leading receiver for a reason. And yes, 4 OL drafted and it will probably hurt some, but only Ruiz is very high, and he's good but part of the reason he'll go high is potential. But at the end of the day, the QB is the most important position and Michigan hasn't gotten too much there.
Shea is such a conundrum! On one hand, he has some great stats, nice wins, and some really good looking film. On the other hand, he missed a crap load of passes and zone reads, and lost a bunch of big games when the offense failed to show up. Alternately, I have a lot of respect and thankfulness for what he did here, yet I also have some regrets about what he left on the table. I think about his ability to hit a big pass while scrambling and run a ZR to perfection to keep drives alive. I also think about the lack of downfield hits and the all-to-often behind the back (or stretched out) catches his receivers had to make that eliminated any YAC. I remember a quick release that could whoop a blitz. But I don't remember the fast strikes all over the field that obliterated defenses.
I want to look back and love Shea's time at QB here. But he makes it so damn difficult to do so...
Shea had the unique ability to make something out of nothing, but was just as likely to make nothing out of something. He improvised well, but struggled to find/hit open receivers downfield.
He found nothing out of something far more often than the opposite.
I wish him all the best. But he did not improve much at Michigan. It is very possible that is due to coaching issues, though I hope it isn't. I look forward to seeing how well the next man up plays.