I actually began to wonder
Well they still have to stand
Well they still have to stand by the brand, and this year, he is the brand.
Yeah, but this year is over,
Yeah, but this year is over, and the ND brand just got lit up in the MNC game - with Te'o practically disappearing.
I work in an advertising agency. If a symbol of your brand turns out to be awful, you get the hell away from it as fast as possible.
He was awful in one game. He
He was awful in one game. He was also second in heisman voting. You don't think Teo being implicated in this would have a big negative impact on ND?
Of course it would. However,
Of course it would. However, I think ND standing up for him at first, and having to backtrack when more information comes out would be even more damaging.
At this point, it's all about damage control. Telling the whole truth before people dig it up is how you control the damage. Otherwise, it gets much, much worse.
Tell that to Gene Smith.
Tell that to Gene Smith.
If Swarbrick is taking PR
If Swarbick is taking PR cues from Gene Smith, he has bigger problems than Manti Te'o.
Touche.
Touche.
or shall i say
or shall i say ... Summer's Eve?
I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.
Unless Swarbrick really
Unless Swarbrick really believes him. Either way, i don't blame ND for standing by a kid, although you teach him a wrong lesson if you're just trying to cover up a mess.
Touchdown Michigan!
It sends a message to
It sends a message to prospective recruits that the administration will stand with their kids under duress. For some who are used to being persecuted (in their minds) by authority rather than being protected by it, that probably means a lot.
I know there are a number of posters on this board who have legal backgrounds, so please don't take this as an offense when I say that sometimes I wonder just how difficult is actually is to get a law degree. The only thing ND has to worry about here is establishing plausible deniability. They don't need to go on record as stating that they believe Te'o is telling the truth; all they have to do is say that "based on what they know of his character", they believe that he is telling the truth, and that was basically their reason for calling the press conference.
If it turns out he wasn't telling the truth, they get to say that it turns out they didn't know him as well as they thought they did and that based on what they thought they knew at the time they still believe their decision to stand with him was the right one and they still come off as a good organization that will back their players in a pinch.
Getting a law degree; not the
Getting a law degree; not the toughest thing in the world. Have to put up with three stressful years of law school and the Bar exam. Being a good attorney on the otherhand, that is much more difficult.
What you are talking about is basic Politics 101/PR 101/Marketing 101 and not necessarily the law. ND and Teo are not being charged with a crime or being sued (yet) so no on has to prove they knew anything. If they are charged or sued then the state/plaintiff will have to prove Teo's intent or ND complicity. In a criminal trial that is more difficult because one needs the police to gather the evidence and for the attorneys to piece together the elements of whatever crime he/they are being accused of. Since there is no crime that I can think of, I doubt they will be charged. If either are sued, then we begin discovery and get to learn things about the defendant (either ND or Teo). If enough facts are discovered through discovery, then ND and Teo settle and it never goes to trial. Plausible deniability is basically what you have to sell to the jury, if proving either Teo's knowledge or ND's knowledge is an element of the crime or civil suit. Since the vast majority of criminal or civil lawsuits settle/plead guilty jury trials are actually somewhat of a rarity. ND can plausibly deny anything it wants to the attorney's suing it but the opposing attorneys don't care as long as they have enough evidence to take it to a jury. ND would settle any lawsuit rather than face a trial. So, long story short, your complaint about plausible deniability isn't a product of the legal system (ncessarily). It is as much a product of human interaction and human stupidity. ND is going to front this to the media for two reasons: one, it's true, or two, they are willing to play cat and mouse with the media to see if it can be proven. Only time will tell.
"The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates.
I don't know if you went
I don't know if you two went through law school or not (though given your comments, I very much doubt it), but from experience, I can say that getting a law degree from Michigan is pretty fucking hard.
The B School, on the other hand...
you are incorrect my friend
getting into UM Law is hard ... graduating not so much. I am a prime example - they hate to admit they were wrong to admit you so you really have to fuck up to get a C. Like, never show up and poop on your blue book.
I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.
Sounds like
you want to pick a fight. The B School, Rackham, Law School, or Medical/Dental School are equally difficult (from what I know). I was only admitted to Rackham, but my Dentist says the D school was impossible back in the day. He was one of only 20 admitted out of thousands.
From the Red Cedar Message Board: "God hates us." Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does. Everyone hates you.
You're totally right
You're totally right about that, but unfortunately that only seems to be taught and not practiced.
Strength equipment is expensive and guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free and can give you everything you want.
Given NDs recent history
Given NDs recent history (Declan Sullivan, Lizzy Seaberg, etc.), do you really think Teo was behind all of this himself? Not a chance.
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
But if it's true that the
But if it's true that the "girlfriend" was a beard to hide Teo's relationship with the Tuiasosopo (sp) guy, then you could see why ND, a Catholic institution, might want to come up with an alternate explanation.
Actually I could more readily
Actually I could more readily see why a gay football player about to enter the NFL would want to come up with an alternate explanation.
Well that too. The catfish
Well that too. The catfish explanation serves both purposes.
A gay mormon player, no
A gay Mormon player, no less. Being openly gay and Mormon = excommunication. I read some terrifying accounts of such situations in Dick Mann's Psychology of Religion class at UM.
I've also worked with a lot of LGBTQ students and have heard stories of individuals going to incredible lengths to hide their sexual identity (not only from others, but often from their own consciousness as well). Nothing quite like this, but none of them were top college football players about to enter the NFL. Can you imagine how awkward it would be in the locker room of an NFL team for the first openly gay player? And the nonstop media circus? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
And keep in mind that even on a board like this one, with a primarily intelligent/educated/progressive community, we have routine "NTTAWWT" and "No Homo" qualifiers whenever someone says anything that might be interpreted as gay.
Him being gay is the only explanation that makes any sense to me.
If he's gay we can say a gay
If he's gay we can say a gay man has been with more college girls than all of us combined.
I can't understand
how a person can be in a serious relationship, and still have not met the person you're in a relationship with. On the other hand, I'm just devastated because my girl has been seen with Justin Verlander. And we were pretty serious too.
Hey!!!
She was MY girl. Well that two-timing bitch.
From the Red Cedar Message Board: "God hates us." Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does. Everyone hates you.
You all don't know this..
But you're pawns in her game, just as JV is.
She is mine.
Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal
jesus
What a joke that press conference was..come clean manti and notre dame. Quit building more lies to cover up..looks worse..booooooooo notre dame Brian kelly should be embarrassed
speechless
Best. Press Conference. Ever.
Can someone explain? I was
Can someone explain? I was busy watching two terrible basketball teams in State College.
CoE Class of 2007
Te'o was the victim of a
Te'o was the victim of a hoax. He had met (what he thought was) a woman online. December 26th(ish) he got a phone call, from the same voice who he had thought was his gf, admitting she wasn't dead, and wasn't who she said she was... it was a hoax.
That's Teo's/ND's position.
Touchdown Michigan!
Wrong, he got the call on
Wrong, he got the call on December 6th and waited until the 26th to tell anyone that his dead girlfriend had called him 3 weeks beforehand
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
Gotcha, thanks for the
Gotcha, thanks for the correction.
Touchdown Michigan!
Didn't catch it
But how can they say that he is the victim of the hoax when he supposedly met her in person several times? Did they address this.
Here's the South Bend Tribune article cited in Deadspin:
http://articles.southbendtribune.com/2012-10-12/sports/34419536_1_brian-...
According to the article, they had the first face to face at Stanford and met in Hawaii more than one time as well.
This whole thing is bs.
"[The University of Michigan] was, in short, the testing ground for all my prejudices, my beliefs and my ignorance, and it helped to lay out the boundaries of my life."--Arthur Miller
I guess the big question is,
I guess the big question is, did Teo tell them that?
Teo
He said Teo will address this, but when Teo said he "met" her he meant that he met her online.
I think what is going to happen is Teo is going to say he exagerated the interactions (making it sound like he met her in person) so that people wouldn't question his feelings for an internet girlfriend.
But as someone raised in the other thread, how did they never skype of facetime?
So even when she flew to
So even when she flew to Hawaii to be with him, as his dad claimed, she still only contacted him online?
He was referring to how fast
He was referring to how fast her internet connection was that day.
Awe.Some.
Awe.Some.
Hawaii
Yeah he didn't address the alleged Hawaii visits, only the meeting at Stanford "poor choice of words"
Poor choice of words= lying.
Poor choice of words= lying.
So even when she flew to
So even when she flew to Hawaii to be with him, as his dad claimed, she still only contacted him online?
Oooooooooooooooooh, it just hit me. He learned from Cam Newton. Let your dad do all the dirty work, and then you have plausible deniability.
He could have been ashamed
He could have been ashamed that he'd never met her in person, but had been given photos, and a woman was supposedly on the other end of the phone. Sounds fishy, but it's not completely improbable. I just don't think I believe it.
Touchdown Michigan!
impossible?
I think you meant "not impossible." Because it is completely improbable.
wolverine 73
There are direct quotes from
There are direct quotes from his father that she came to see Teo in Hawaii. Its ND's home town paper. I can't see how their meeting at the Stanford game didn't come from Teo. Way to many outrageous clames made by Teo and ND for his story to be true in my opinion.
Not only did he meet her, he
Not only did he meet her, he had a picture of a girl that he claimed to be his gf.....the real girl in the picture has said she is horrified and never met him. How could he meet a girl and not notice that the photo didnt match.
The story doesnt ad up, at what point would he not search for info on her, or ask to have more face time, etc.....
Well that's interseting
The article has already been removed as they swoop in to contain damage control of their star. If the story isn't there then the information can't be used, right?
The whole thing stinks of lies and cover ups.
In Notre Dame's defense they don't have a lot to lose IMO by defending Te'o. If he's not lying then they can say they stood behind him and supported him all the way. If he is lying they can put the blame squarely on Te'o because well...."gosh he lied to us too."
Everyone on NDNation is
Everyone on NDNation is buying the press conference. Still doesn't add up.
"But in the tire fire that was last year's secondary he showed a little spark." - Brian Cook
A special 'This week in
A special 'This week in Schadenfreude' is in order...
It's like PSU all over again.
It's like PSU all over again. The fanbase circles the wagons around the object of worship (Paterno/Te'o).
Can someone post a link if it
Can someone post a link if it comes available please?
link to the press conference?
if you visit deadspin they have a link up... i think they've earned themselves the extra clicks today so i wont cut and paste the direct link to nbcsports.
edit - doesnt seem to be working for me actually. seems i posted too quickly on that one. internet fail.
I actually began to wonder about this:
Te'o is graduating. He's been the face of ND, but he's done now. They don't have to stand by him like this. If he were lying, it'd probably be better for them to tell the absolute truth. It makes me think there are lies to the press (about "meeting" his girlfriend...), but either Te'o is lying to ND very convincingly, or there's truth to this story about being a victim.