I realize there is a thread about the general topic below, but I'm very curious about the responses to the press conference in particular. For me, I find the lack of notification to authorities very puzzling. Did your opinion shift after listening to Swarbick?
ND Press Conference - Thoughts?
I actually began to wonder about this:
Te'o is graduating. He's been the face of ND, but he's done now. They don't have to stand by him like this. If he were lying, it'd probably be better for them to tell the absolute truth. It makes me think there are lies to the press (about "meeting" his girlfriend...), but either Te'o is lying to ND very convincingly, or there's truth to this story about being a victim.
Well they still have to stand by the brand, and this year, he is the brand.
Yeah, but this year is over, and the ND brand just got lit up in the MNC game - with Te'o practically disappearing.
I work in an advertising agency. If a symbol of your brand turns out to be awful, you get the hell away from it as fast as possible.
He was awful in one game. He was also second in heisman voting. You don't think Teo being implicated in this would have a big negative impact on ND?
Of course it would. However, I think ND standing up for him at first, and having to backtrack when more information comes out would be even more damaging.
At this point, it's all about damage control. Telling the whole truth before people dig it up is how you control the damage. Otherwise, it gets much, much worse.
Tell that to Gene Smith.
If Swarbick is taking PR cues from Gene Smith, he has bigger problems than Manti Te'o.
Unless Swarbrick really believes him. Either way, i don't blame ND for standing by a kid, although you teach him a wrong lesson if you're just trying to cover up a mess.
It sends a message to prospective recruits that the administration will stand with their kids under duress. For some who are used to being persecuted (in their minds) by authority rather than being protected by it, that probably means a lot.
I know there are a number of posters on this board who have legal backgrounds, so please don't take this as an offense when I say that sometimes I wonder just how difficult is actually is to get a law degree. The only thing ND has to worry about here is establishing plausible deniability. They don't need to go on record as stating that they believe Te'o is telling the truth; all they have to do is say that "based on what they know of his character", they believe that he is telling the truth, and that was basically their reason for calling the press conference.
If it turns out he wasn't telling the truth, they get to say that it turns out they didn't know him as well as they thought they did and that based on what they thought they knew at the time they still believe their decision to stand with him was the right one and they still come off as a good organization that will back their players in a pinch.
Getting a law degree; not the toughest thing in the world. Have to put up with three stressful years of law school and the Bar exam. Being a good attorney on the otherhand, that is much more difficult.
What you are talking about is basic Politics 101/PR 101/Marketing 101 and not necessarily the law. ND and Teo are not being charged with a crime or being sued (yet) so no on has to prove they knew anything. If they are charged or sued then the state/plaintiff will have to prove Teo's intent or ND complicity. In a criminal trial that is more difficult because one needs the police to gather the evidence and for the attorneys to piece together the elements of whatever crime he/they are being accused of. Since there is no crime that I can think of, I doubt they will be charged. If either are sued, then we begin discovery and get to learn things about the defendant (either ND or Teo). If enough facts are discovered through discovery, then ND and Teo settle and it never goes to trial. Plausible deniability is basically what you have to sell to the jury, if proving either Teo's knowledge or ND's knowledge is an element of the crime or civil suit. Since the vast majority of criminal or civil lawsuits settle/plead guilty jury trials are actually somewhat of a rarity. ND can plausibly deny anything it wants to the attorney's suing it but the opposing attorneys don't care as long as they have enough evidence to take it to a jury. ND would settle any lawsuit rather than face a trial. So, long story short, your complaint about plausible deniability isn't a product of the legal system (ncessarily). It is as much a product of human interaction and human stupidity. ND is going to front this to the media for two reasons: one, it's true, or two, they are willing to play cat and mouse with the media to see if it can be proven. Only time will tell.
I don't know if you two went through law school or not (though given your comments, I very much doubt it), but from experience, I can say that getting a law degree from Michigan is pretty fucking hard.
The B School, on the other hand...
getting into UM Law is hard ... graduating not so much. I am a prime example - they hate to admit they were wrong to admit you so you really have to fuck up to get a C. Like, never show up and poop on your blue book.
you want to pick a fight. The B School, Rackham, Law School, or Medical/Dental School are equally difficult (from what I know). I was only admitted to Rackham, but my Dentist says the D school was impossible back in the day. He was one of only 20 admitted out of thousands.
You're totally right about that, but unfortunately that only seems to be taught and not practiced.
Given NDs recent history (Declan Sullivan, Lizzy Seaberg, etc.), do you really think Teo was behind all of this himself? Not a chance.
But if it's true that the "girlfriend" was a beard to hide Teo's relationship with the Tuiasosopo (sp) guy, then you could see why ND, a Catholic institution, might want to come up with an alternate explanation.
Actually I could more readily see why a gay football player about to enter the NFL would want to come up with an alternate explanation.
Well that too. The catfish explanation serves both purposes.
A gay Mormon player, no less. Being openly gay and Mormon = excommunication. I read some terrifying accounts of such situations in Dick Mann's Psychology of Religion class at UM.
I've also worked with a lot of LGBTQ students and have heard stories of individuals going to incredible lengths to hide their sexual identity (not only from others, but often from their own consciousness as well). Nothing quite like this, but none of them were top college football players about to enter the NFL. Can you imagine how awkward it would be in the locker room of an NFL team for the first openly gay player? And the nonstop media circus? I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
And keep in mind that even on a board like this one, with a primarily intelligent/educated/progressive community, we have routine "NTTAWWT" and "No Homo" qualifiers whenever someone says anything that might be interpreted as gay.
Him being gay is the only explanation that makes any sense to me.
If he's gay we can say a gay man has been with more college girls than all of us combined.
how a person can be in a serious relationship, and still have not met the person you're in a relationship with. On the other hand, I'm just devastated because my girl has been seen with Justin Verlander. And we were pretty serious too.
What a joke that press conference was..come clean manti and notre dame. Quit building more lies to cover up..looks worse..booooooooo notre dame Brian kelly should be embarrassed
Best. Press Conference. Ever.
Can someone explain? I was busy watching two terrible basketball teams in State College.
Te'o was the victim of a hoax. He had met (what he thought was) a woman online. December 26th(ish) he got a phone call, from the same voice who he had thought was his gf, admitting she wasn't dead, and wasn't who she said she was... it was a hoax.
That's Teo's/ND's position.
But how can they say that he is the victim of the hoax when he supposedly met her in person several times? Did they address this.
Here's the South Bend Tribune article cited in Deadspin:
According to the article, they had the first face to face at Stanford and met in Hawaii more than one time as well.
This whole thing is bs.
I guess the big question is, did Teo tell them that?
He said Teo will address this, but when Teo said he "met" her he meant that he met her online.
I think what is going to happen is Teo is going to say he exagerated the interactions (making it sound like he met her in person) so that people wouldn't question his feelings for an internet girlfriend.
But as someone raised in the other thread, how did they never skype of facetime?
So even when she flew to Hawaii to be with him, as his dad claimed, she still only contacted him online?
He was referring to how fast her internet connection was that day.
Yeah he didn't address the alleged Hawaii visits, only the meeting at Stanford "poor choice of words"
Poor choice of words= lying.
So even when she flew to Hawaii to be with him, as his dad claimed, she still only contacted him online?
Oooooooooooooooooh, it just hit me. He learned from Cam Newton. Let your dad do all the dirty work, and then you have plausible deniability.
He could have been ashamed that he'd never met her in person, but had been given photos, and a woman was supposedly on the other end of the phone. Sounds fishy, but it's not completely improbable. I just don't think I believe it.
I think you meant "not impossible." Because it is completely improbable.
There are direct quotes from his father that she came to see Teo in Hawaii. Its ND's home town paper. I can't see how their meeting at the Stanford game didn't come from Teo. Way to many outrageous clames made by Teo and ND for his story to be true in my opinion.
Not only did he meet her, he had a picture of a girl that he claimed to be his gf.....the real girl in the picture has said she is horrified and never met him. How could he meet a girl and not notice that the photo didnt match.
The story doesnt ad up, at what point would he not search for info on her, or ask to have more face time, etc.....
The article has already been removed as they swoop in to contain damage control of their star. If the story isn't there then the information can't be used, right?
The whole thing stinks of lies and cover ups.
In Notre Dame's defense they don't have a lot to lose IMO by defending Te'o. If he's not lying then they can say they stood behind him and supported him all the way. If he is lying they can put the blame squarely on Te'o because well...."gosh he lied to us too."
Everyone on NDNation is buying the press conference. Still doesn't add up.
A special 'This week in Schadenfreude' is in order...
It's like PSU all over again. The fanbase circles the wagons around the object of worship (Paterno/Te'o).
Can someone post a link if it comes available please?
if you visit deadspin they have a link up... i think they've earned themselves the extra clicks today so i wont cut and paste the direct link to nbcsports.
edit - doesnt seem to be working for me actually. seems i posted too quickly on that one. internet fail.
If that was supposed to convince me Te'o didn't know, that was horrible.
"He was going to tell you guys next week, we swear."
Jack swarbrick had been a lawyer for 28 before coming to notre dame and has 3 weeks to be ready for this to drop in the media..thats what makes this more disturbing. Complete cover up..how deep will it really go..that is the scarey sick part
I'm still perplexed that the ND AD used the "Catfish" defense as his first reason why they believe Mantei.
If you thought your girlfriend of one year had died, and then suddenly you get a call from her, you don't go to authorities? You don't wonder, "holy shit, is this person real? Is she hurt? Is she really dead? Has there been a huge mistake and someone else is dead?" I would call the police in five minutes. The fact that Teo and ND did not is a huge issue for me.
I don't recall reading this aspect of the case? I heard them reference it in the press conference, but what exactly was that part of the story?
He said he got a phone call around Dec 26 from the same person he thought was his gf, she said she wasn't dead but she wasn't really who he thought she was, it was a hoax.
Again, you're confused. There was a 3 week gap between the call and him telling ND because "he wanted to tell his parents over break"
Swarbick said that on the night of an ESPN award ceremony, Teo received a call from his "girlfriend" who he believed to be dead (as did the rest of the country). Instead of going to authorities, he went to his coaches the next day. That doesn't make any sense.
Honestly, i wouldn't go to authorities first. I'd probably talk to my parents or counselors/coaches too.
Ok, but you would go to them soon after, no? And even if you didn't, don't you think the University of Michigan would? Am I really supposed to believe that ND admins thought "'hmm, she was supposed to be dead? Oh well, I guess it's just a hoax!" ?
I'm not really sure what i'd do. I wouldn't have viewed this as a crime. I'd have viewed it as a prank. I mention this below, but this happened to a friend of mine around 1999 in HS. A few acquaintances thought this was funny, and had him going for a couple of months. When all was said and done, he didn't go to the cops, he was humiliated, devastated. I mean, can you imagine mean High Schoolers would get you to talk about and admit to?
I'm not trying to insult you, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. You have a girlfriend of 3 YEARS. You think she's dead. Suddenly, SHE calls you up and tells you she's not dead. You seriously don't contact the police?
Honestly, I for one probably wouldn't. What's the crime? I don't know off hand if there is one. Do I really want to explain the whole thing on the record? Nope. The whole thing is just so bizarre, it's hard to say what someone might do.
Thank you, i think you nailed what I was trying to say. I don't know what the crime is? I'd be embarassed that it was clearly a hoax.
That said, i'm making a lot of assumptions about Manti and the case.
Also, I don't know who keeps downvoting my posts just because i'm offering an explanation or giving someone the benefit of the doubt.
It's not about implicating someone in a crime. It's the fact that this person may not dead! Maybe she is behind it, maybe she has been kidnapped, maybe she in hurt, maybe she is dead and these people are involved, maybe she is a con artist, maybe she is extorting, etc etc. I honestly can't believe you wouldn't call the police.
I thought I heard or read somewhere that she called to inform him that it was a hoax.... so why call the cops at that point? If she called to continue the "relationship" then i'd probably call the cops.
According to Swarbrick she called in character attempting to continue the relationship fwiw
Ok, not that this is a credible source, but this is bad:
"In defense of the Heisman Trophy candidate, the source said he believes the lie may have indeed started with somebody duping Te’o using a phony twitter account, and eventually, faking their own death.
Early in my conversation with the source, the Notre Dame player said, “He lied, but the media blew it up.” In response to my follow-up question asking if the source thought that Te’o kept the story going because of the media attention, the player replied, “Yeah. Right after the Michigan [State] game. He should have never brought her in the media. His grandma passing was enough.”
But wouldn't you eventually go to the authorities? ND is claiming that he got the call on Dec. 26. It's three weeks later and they still haven't gone to the police, even as Swarbick claims that crimes have been committed.
What FreeTheFabFivePlz said above, does ND really have a reputation for doing just that? Alleged rape resulting in suicide doesn't rise to that level so why would a fake girlfriend?
If i got a call from my dead girlfriend of six months I wouldnt go to the police or my partents or my coach or the local authorities.
I'd go to the highest ranking religous figure I could find.
Good call. If I was Catholic, I'd also be splashing on Holy Water like it was cheap cologne.
Dec. 6, not 26th, the 26th is when he supposedly came to ND.
Girlfriend of 3 years...
Fake presser and just trying to spin flimsy excuses for Mant'i. Now, if the rumors are true and he is gay, then maybe my opinion will change. But from what happened today, this is just absolute mismanagement and everything about this story seems shady and questionable.
Why would your opinion change if it turns out he's gay? Either way, he used a series of lies to gain admiration from the media and fans. He's either an attention whore or a gay attention whore.
I'd say my opinion of Notre Dame would change. I'd support ND's decision to protect their own, however it's not a good message to teach kids how to clean up messes. But if he doesn't want to come out, (if he were gay) then kudos to ND for supporting him.
Regardless of his original intentions for making up the story, he used this story to gain fame and sympathy. Had he not profited from the lies, I dont think he'd receive the same criticism. If the university decides that hiding the fact that he's gay justifies the lies, shame on them.
It's not about justifying the lies, it's about making the best decision for him, given the current point he's currently in. It's not a university's right to get involved, it's a university's right to protect its students privacy. That said, if he were gay, and he made this lie, it's about the worst thing you can do, because you're calling attention to yourself and your sexuality. Really dumb if he's lying.
...cover up the fact that it was a 100% online relationship than anything malicious. Still a pretty embarassing spotlight on their star player though.
at the very least, Te'o exaggerated his relationship with this girl to gain national sympathy for his heissman run. At the worst, he orchestrated it all.
Lots of questions remain for me, including inaccuracies between previous interviews and his story, the delay in timing, why ND didn't say something before the national championship game, the relationship between Te'o and the supposed orchestrator, etc.
It comes down to either:
Te'o is a naive angel, who as a star athlete feel for an internet gf he never saw in person, never skyped, and never meet her family or saw her grave
Te'o orchestraed a hoax for heissman publicity and/or motivation for his teammates.
With ND and Te'o not releasing their findings or his phone records I'll go with the latter for now.
So he would drum up this story long before he was on the Heisman radar and long before ND was anywhere near the top10?
here's a preseason article listing him as NDs top heisman canidate. He has always been on the radar ever since he was a top recruit.
I've got to say this is a strange case, but I have to admit... this happened to a friend of mine. (No seriously, not me... a friend of mine.) He'd been a victim in HS to something similar, a group of guys created a fake screen name (this was like 1999) and had an online relationship with him for a few months. This of course, was before having skype or anything like that was common place.
I don't know if i do or do not believe Te'o, but I doubt he invented this to win a heisman. You don't win heismans for sympathy. And if anyone voted for him based on that, they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Just imagine that this online profile actually spoke to you on the phone. Thats the hook here.
I have the perfect bridge for him. It's barely been used.
The part about seeing her grave is actually a great point. It's small details like this that often can lead to solving mysteries, and the fact that he never visited her grave leads me to believe Teo was in on it.
He called her the love of his life. He didn't go to the funeral because it was her wish for him not to miss any games.... ok, I can buy that. But if she was THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE, how is it he still had't visited her grave more than 3 months after her death?
Yes "she" lived in Cali and Teo was a student athlete in the middle of football season.... Still there has to have been a time he could've gone out there, right?
For one, ND played at USC, I find it really hard to believe that if he wanted to go out there a day early to visit his late girlfriend's grave, that the ND AD wouldn't have moved heaven and earth to accomodate him in that. So, why wouldn't he have done that?
the AD at ND had to hold a press conference to explain that the best player in at ND in 20 years had an imaginary girlfriend is just hilarious.
Harvey. She was Jimmy Stewarts ex.
Rick Mirer was pretty good.
didn't he win 3 Heismans ..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOL, that's an absolutely brilliant way of putting it.
that ND and media were parading this apparition's name through the media and the world and not one of them tried to contact her fictional family.
Also, I find it hilarious in the South Bend Tribune article, it talks of Te'o using Skype with his family but never occured to him to use it with his girlfriend.
This gets me, too. No skype. No google-stalking. Te'o didn't make arrangements to meet her? Ever? Did he send her cards? Flowers?
And no one else tried to find her either. Not Te'o's family. Not ND. Not a single media outlet fact-checked any of the story. It took four months for anyone to reveal that their was no obituary. No on attended or reported on her death or funeral despite the spotlight on Te'o. How is this possible?
You would send cards and flowers? Well now I know why I've been single for so long...
In all seriousness though, I think you are spot on. The fact that not ONE media outlet even confirmed the funeral is truly unbelievable.
I hate to go all RCMB here, but wouldn't you have had to consumated the relationship to carry the torch like this? I can understand forming an ideal partner in your head and all of that, but even internet relationships end by meeting or end by never meeting and you figuring out that the person you were talking to was a phony. I have to think that Manti had his choice of women. So either he did and this was all publicity, or he didn't and is incredibly naive. I'm too cynical to believe the latter.
As far as the media's utter failure here. If I'm Thammel or someone from the South Bend rag I'm going on vacation for a few weeks.
I might have even wanted to meet her when I went to Stanford for the 2011 game.
Let's say its true; as a media contact at ND, don't I contact the family of the deceased to make sure it's ok that her name is put in the media.
If you were the family wouldnt you expect this before they used her name and pictures on television?
And if you are the media, wouldn't a quote from her father, mother, family member whatever be something you want to get. Something how Te'o helped her to be strong throughout her battle? How he was a positive influence in her life? Especially since this was not a short lived story.
are never the subject of media inquiry. They leave them alone out of respect and common decency.
Swarbrick sounded very Tresselesque to me.
It was a traveshamockery.
None of the details add up, and Jack Swarbrick was a complete embarrassment.
On a scale of 1-10, I'd give it 10 Lies out of 10.
All the facts are pointing to the whole Te'o family being involved in this and the ND AD is actually buying this shit!?
the story only broke at 4:15 PM or so ........ NOT EVEN FOUR HOURS later, here's the press conference after ND had already released a statement as well.
They must be pretty darn confident in the story, especially considering this is a situation where noone would really fault them if they said "this involves Monte, not us, we have no comment."
Really? Try harder.
Don't be fools. Go read the evidence on Deadspin, they present it very well. If you think that Teo was an unwilling vicitim you are ignorant. ND is just in a very desperate manner to support their star. But, the truth is painfully obvious when you consider all the evidence...come on people.
evidence and deadspin together in one post? lolnope.
It's probably worth reminding yourself that Deadspin got this right after more "reputable" outlets ran with the dead girlfriend story for months.
However, mainstream media is very fickle. When they find a "heart warming story" they take it and run without looking back. They may find something questionable about said story, and ignore it to continue the good publicity.
A receipt for the white roses he sent her after the Michigan game & a delivery confirmation including what address they were delivered to.
Does this mean his two picks were also faked?
That presser said a whole lot about nothing. This has all the makings of a publicity stunt and all these "investigations" are just a way of covering their ass.
when Te'o learned that Deadspin was investigating this story?
Dec 26, when he went to his coaches. The phone call wasn't from her number, it was from Deadspins
As a PR graduate, I learned this shit in COM 101.
So to quickly look back: Declan Sullivan actually dies and ND, Kelly and to a certain extent ESPN show no remorse and aren't forth coming with truth or details. Manti T'eo's fake girlfriend dies and it is exploited and used as propaganda up to and passed the NC game. To hell with Notre Dame.
you don't want to include the cover up of the girl that was raped by an ND football player, committed suicide when she saw that the ND administration did not take her seriously / did not want to find out the truth, and then ND acted like the girl completely fabricated the entire story?
I think the girl is a little different in the sense that she may have had some mental issues. It should have been looked in to more but I don't think it all happened like she said it did. This is coming from girls I know at ND and St Mary's that had met her. And I don't think Shembo would do that bc I know him.
Its not really NDs story to announce. The Te'os had the information they needed and for some reason didn't announce it.
Not sure why everyone is ripping on ND, there was nothing illegal about what happened, there was no NCAA violations that occurred. There was no drugs, alchohol or violence involved. It was a kid who messed up in his personal life.
If they are participating in a cover up, then they deserve to be ripped.
They were defrauded as well. Also profited from this. I mean if am employee lies about his resume and the company finds out he is a fraud... Trust me, a statement is made.
Yeah bc college football coaches have little control of their programs. Look at Brian Kelly's past. He's a controversial coach who has some horrible stuff attached to him. Suicides, homicides, infidelity, cover ups... I have buddies that played for him at GVSU - according to them he will do absolutely anything to reach the top. World class Ahole with no moral compass whatsoever.
I know I'm a biased Mich fan but this info is from good friends. Kelly is and always has been a bad dude. Sorry.
because we don't believe Swarbrick is telling the truth. We could be wrong, but he is asking us to swallow an implausible story bolstered by a super secret investigation. Frankly, he has little credibility with me after seeing him handle the Declan Sullivan tragedy.
Not really sure what you mean about "handling" it. A good read for you is here:
With the actual report of 6 months of investigation here:
This is intellectual dishonesty. If you can't see it, well allow me to retort. You have a Heisman campaign, national media sympathy in a Cinderella season on one hand and a completely disingenuous presser where the AD gets all misty over his star LB getting the wool pulled over his eyes all set against a backdrop of rape-suicide and negligent homicide that the school ignored and covered up. Your right, there aren't any NCAA violations here, just basic human dignity violations. Carry on.
This all happened before ND was a NCG contender and long before Te'o was on anyones Heisman lists. But don't let your Maize & Blue lenses fog your judgement.
As for negligent homicide, read said links posted previously.
As for the rape-suicide, the polive investigated the incident and dismissed it when they pulled the supposed incriminating txt messages and found nothing. The truth being, there was no rape to investigate.
Not everybody's the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I think that people need a second chance, and I've always looked up to Mike Vick, and I always will.
As I said before and got neg'd for it on the "T'eo is a class act" threads. The players on the team do not like Manti. I know this from speaking to someone on the team. They think he is full of himself. "Douchebag" was the term that was used. But hey, I'm random internet guy, its cool.
I love how when we agree with an anon poster with alleged sources, points go high. When we disagree, shit storms occur.
There's a report from a Boston sports writer stating that some of his teammates began to suspect something was up in September. When asked if he was a good actor, he stated very good.
How does someone not go visit their girlfriend after she is in a car accident and is diagnosed with cancer? They have not even come close to providing an explanation for that. Or as bomani jones said how do you not remember if your GF died thew same day as your grandmother?
care to link the report or the writer? Did this report happen before today? Or should we assume he is Ace williams after the fact?
You're so right. Among the must f-ed up thing about Teo's "love story" is the degree to which people hailed him for playing in a football game rather than attend the funeral of his girlfriend who just died of leukemia. Most backward-ass "values" I've seen in a long time.
How could any self-respecting guy refer to someone as their "girlfriend" when they had never actually physically met them?
to garner sympathy when she is "dying" or if he may never have one
have sex until after they get married.
but that's the only thing I'd understand as "meeting that is not physically.
They are going to tell me Rudy was fake.
Rudy was fake.
I agree. Everyone asks me how many times I have watched that movie. They are shocked to learn, only once.
I have to ask you phork, how bad is the ND meltdown? or is everyone buying the company line?
Its really the conflagration of misinformation out there. Everyone is running like "Who the hell do we believe here".
My personal belief after seeing everything thats been released so far is the following:
- This person who made the fake account contacted T'eo and set the hooks
- T'eo being a Mormon and certainly not a professional gigolo, fell for the hook set by this person who would have intimate knowledge of Mormon and Samoan beliefs.
- T'eo ate it all up. And had stated he had "met" this person. Of course wanting to make this more real than it was he figured it was a matter of time before he actually got to see her. When he "met" this person it was online only. he even told his Dad that he met her. Of course its easy to make up a story as to why she didn't show up.
- However, T'eo spoke to this person on the phone, quite a bit, more than 2 other people spoke to this person as well.
- A girl from ND who had befriended Lennay on twitter and had spoke to her for a long time until her "death" started talking to Lennay's sister. At which time they set up a meeting at the USC game in LA this last fall.
- When this girl setup the meeting place she was greeted with this Ronaiah guy and a little girl. Both said that Lennay's sister couldn't make it and that they should go in her place. Photos were taken, he got nervous and asked the photos not be posted online.
And then it gets weird.
- T'eo gets the call on Dec. 6th that is who he thought was his gf explained she was not. It was a hoax.
- T'eo wants to speak to his family about it and heads home for Christmas break
- The family decides to tell the university
- the university investigates with a 3rd party investigator, its clear now that its a hoax but they have evidence of the people who might be responsible chatting online. (I think they did some basic twitter sniffing and its actually someone that knows this Ronaiah guy.)
- The investigation is done the university is satisfied that there was no wrong doing on T'eos part and leaves it up to the family to spill the beans, as they have said they were going to do.
- Deadspin breaks.
- ND Presser, I seriously doubt Swarbrick would do and say what he did if he felt that a kid that is no longer at the school and not a football player for the school did something wrong.
- T'eos were going to speak today, the interview got canned. Tom Condon is T'eos agent, yes the same guy that told Brady Quinn to hold out. He has squashed atleast 2 attempts to let T'eo speak.
- Lance Amstrong is rejoicing this week,
Here is where my tin foil hat comes in, brace yourself.
- In June of 2012 Robert Woods (Yes the WR for USC) posts this:
Robert Woods @HeismanWoods @iworship hahaha sick, what did you guys do today
- This was just after Lennay was in a car accident.
- the @iworship account had 2 people it followed. Lennay and T'eo.
- Ronaiah was a USC student who was somehow involved with the football team. Several of people he knew were upset when Te'o picked ND over USC. His dad played at USC the family is the Tuiasasopo clan. Many football players in their lineage
- TMZ has a phone interview and the pictures this girl took at the USC game, and also pictures supposedly of Lennay's sister at her grave site.
My big issue, obviously as is everyones, is why Te'o covered it up for so long. Certainly plausible that the biggest name on one of America's popular brands was embarrassed. As would any of us be. I have nothing to contend the facts as they appear, until Te'o speaks. ND did what it had to, it defended its brand. If it felt that something was rotten why would they defend a player/student who was no longer a player or a student, you would think they would distance themselves.
I really can't stand how some of these media outlets are all about BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN mentality when no one has more than 10% of the facts. Do I believe Te'o had something to do with it? Well I will never say never about anything. I do believe he was not complicit in the hoax, outside of finding out it was a hoax in early December. And for those who argue he was in on it to garner Heisman love, ND was 2-0, just barely beat Purdue, was barely in the Top25 and he wasn't anywhere near Heisman radar.
In the end I can't say I would be surprised at any outcome here. As a football fan it seems like it was already 20 years ago that ND was 12-1, this includes the Kelly to the NFL bullshit. In the end I feel like Te'o got duped, was embarrassed about the whole thing and here we are. If USC had anything to do with this, or intimate knowledge of it I can see Kiffin being ended and possibly the cancellation of the USC series. I believe this as much as you guys believe that Te'o had any involvement in the fake gf story over and above a kid who got played.
Te'os Uncle Speaks: http://1280thezone.com/index.php/audio/listen/alema_teo
Interesting tidbits in regards to this Ronaiah kid.
was the joke part.
Obvious troll is obvious
Then who the heck was offsides then?
Still less embarrassing than Freekbass.
Swarbick is upset over a fictitious death of a fictitious ND football players GF conjured up by god knows who but he didn't get upset when Lizzy Seeberg committed suicide after being allegedly assaulted by one of his defensive stars or when a video coordinator died at practice when it could have easily been prevented?
Is the PC online yet? I haven't been able to find it.
All more suspicious than George o'learys resume
why let ESPN run his segment during the NC game, ~2 weeks later?
One of the creepiest parts of the Deadspin article was the fact that CBS This Morning ran the story on the morning of the NC game with a photo of a dead girlfriend that turned out to be the photo of a currently living California resident, who was rightfully shocked, of course. So, I wonder the same thing actually - if indeed the school knew by then, why would they not do everything possible to stop these from airing by being upfront with the networks about their veracity? Worse, who supplied them with the means to get a photo of someone that by now they must have known was not Manti's supposedly deceased girlfiend? If they failed to stop this, either Te'o or the school would be complicit allowing the life of someone they don't even know to be invaded - perhaps even materially affected - in a decidely not-so-good way, and that's simply beyond low.
Given their reputation it seems this was an ND football program decision. Teo just agreed to it. There are too many prior transgressions from Brian Kelly to believe otherwise.
How awful would it be if that poor girl now gets recognized for being "Te'o's fake girlfriend"?
ND went all in on Manti telling the truth...he's going to have to answer some tough questions soon and if a lot of unlikely things didn't happen both he, the university and the football team are going to look very bad.
They already look really bad.....to any reasonable person
Now for all the cover-up's. Crazy story we have here. Unbelievable really. Get it?
After it was all done, the athletic director came back on stage and said Charlie Weis wasn't really morbidly obese, it's just an elaborate hoax with mirrors, and smoke. He is actually the definition of healthy living... It's ridiculous how much Notre Dame is trying to cover it up. Like my parents said growing up, never cover a lie with a lie...
I'm not obese?.......I am not actually a Hugh Jass?
This just dawned on me, has anyone asked for Musburger's comment's on Teo's girlfriend?
Think I'll flip on a movie. Was thinking maybe Lars and the Real Girl?
This looks bad for ND and T'eo, but I would reserve judgment at this point. Deadspin's sources for Te'o being in on this are anonymous people on the Internet, who are speculating. Te'o could have embellished other details to give a backstory for a very naive thing that he did (falling for someone he met on the Internet, and never met in person); I am not sure I believe this at all, but stranger things have happened. In any event, I doubt that ND is going to hold a press conference saying it believes one of its student-atheletes is a liar, when the story they have been told is plausible.
Maybe prima facia plausible but for them to have allegedly hired a PI to investigate it and then go all cloak and dagger on the report isn't lending to my willing suspension of disbelief.
So if Te'o is to be believed the story goes something like this:
He met this girl online and over about 2 years he falls in love with her. He never meets he in person and they never Skype, FaceTime, etc. When asked how they met he says they met at/after the Stanford game (maybe lying to say they met in person/shook hands/exchanged numbers).
After this growing love is given time to develop so strong there are indications they are going to get married (at least that is what the dad thinks). She gets into a car accident. He doesn't fly out to see her in the hospital. While she is in the hospital the dx her with leukemia. He doesn't fly out to see her then either. She is released from the hospital. He doesn't go and she her. She dies, he doesn't go to her funeral. After the season is over he never goes out and visits her grave/headstone. This is the women he was in love with and was going to marry and he never goes to see her even when all these awful things are befalling her. He doesn't make a surprise midweek trip (I'm sure the coaches/administration would/should understand- it would make a good story how he visited her and still made it back for her game)
I haven't even covered the apparent misunderstanding where he father believed she came to Hawaii on multiple occasions to visit him.
This is the story as he would tell it. There are so many holes here. Really interested to see what, if any, holes he addresses in his press conference.
pretty good summation. You just forgot the end:
on dec 6th his dead gf calls him, he goes home for awhile, and tells his coach about it two weeks later. Since then he was "gonna tell his story" but was waiting for facts.
I'm giving his story five FAKEs out of five.
Sorry, but you are just wrong. Teo never said he met the girl in person after that Stanford game, and one comment from the father about marriage does not support your statement. It is factually inaccurate. You may be right, but your conclusions are not well thought out.
I don't think I made any conclusions. I think i said the story as it is being presented has a bunch of holes that need to be filled.
Teo may or may not have said he met her in person af the stanford game- a newspaper certainly reported/implied that he said it. I guess it wasn't in quotes so they could have been making it up. The article has sense been taken down so I can't cite to it, but it said things words to the effect of their eyse/stares met, they looked into each others' eyes and shook hands. Seems unlikely that a paper is going to just make up a story about them shaking hands/locking eyes if all he says is "I met a girl at the Stanford game." But, as you can see above, I put this in parretheses because it was kind of irrelevant. Without this the story still has holes.
And as to his dad saying they were getting married- again this came from somewhere. Maybe Teo never said they were getting married, but he must have talked about her enough to give that impression. If he knew a girl for 2 or 3 years and dated her seriously for some period it is still shocking he wouldn't fly out to see her EVER, in her time of need after she had "always been there for him in his times of need."
Anyway, my point is I see a lot of holes in the story as we know it right now. I don't really know what I beleive right now. I would like to beleive him because I feel really sorry for him if his sotry is true. But there are just a bunch of unanswered questions.
I totally agree with you about the holes, but in the fairness, I think we've established that we shouldn't be citing journalists or the dad here.
involves fabrication, I believe anyone's conclusion is valid. Don't get caught with "my sources are better" ... that is bullshit.
News Flash - the entire thing about the gf is a fucking lie, or Te'o has the emotional control of a 5 year old. Planet of the Apes is more believable than the nd story.
But I can't think of too many reasons he would think his son was while he was home in Hawaii.
I think this story is as ridiculous as the next guy, and I'm frankly hoping to find out Brian Kelly was somehow involved, but did your "fat lesbian" metaphor add anything to the discussion?
Sexism isn't funny, even on Internet message boards talking about the true oddity of a star football player with a fake, and then dead, girlfriend.
Position: Inspiring dying girlfriend
Attractiveness: Most Beautiful Te'o (n)ever met, but mostly because of her character
Guru Ratings: No. 7 Manti Te'o overall girlfriend, No. 1 online
YMRMFSPA: Hitler Diaries, Balloon boy, Shroud of Turin, Crop Circles, Ron Mexico
Schadenfreude Resulting from Self-Righteousness of Institution Involved: High
Prediction Based on Flimsy Evidence: Heartwarming media stories involving athletes will continue to be based on flimsy evidence
Overall: Five FAKEs out of Five
Fullback for the Arizona Cardinals, Reagan Mauia, claims that Kekua (Teo's nonexistent dead gf) does in fact exist.
This story is only beginning to unravel. Stock up on popcorn everyone.
WTF? This shit is getting ridiculous now. How can that Cardinals FB think this is the same person? What makes him think that? Maybe this Tuoiusioopppo guy is pathologic, but it still doesn't explain everything. Teo basically embellished everything about the relationship and when he was getting national recognition, never really refuted it. Maybe he got caught up in the lie and couldn't back down after it took a life of its own. I don't know, but this shit cray...
So let me get this straight. Deadspin does a HUGE story with tons of investigating revealing this person does not exist. Notre Dame holds a press conference confirming. Manti Te'o releases a statement confirming she doesn't exist. Then this guy says no she is real. Ahahahah. Wtf.
Daytime soap opera writers are being put to shame by this shitstorm. Can't wait for tomorrows Teo press conference.
If this an example of "someone else that was duped" that the ND AD was referring to. The fact he still claims she is real is certainly strange
I'm watching Catfish right now and the kid in that figured it out 20 minutes in. Nice try, Te'o.
Also a lot of people think Catfish was a hoax, fwiw.
Guys I think we have missed the most important question here: what is mspaint like a champion going to do about this?
First the Fat Boys break up, now this.
... Nothin' more to believe in...
I wish I wasn't on my phone because I can't upvote this. +1 to you anyway.
Too good not to share
That this interview is now on page 3
And to think Armstrong's confession episode was going to finally put her fail network on the map. =[
This guy ripped off the Brady Bunch. Jan Brady/George Glass ring a bell? Fake phone calls? "Oh hiiiii George."
I expect to see legendary signs about this. Signs that will be displayed in gif form by ND haters for decades to come. Signs that people will reference as classic ND burns. We can do it people. This is absolute grade A material and if we don't exploit that, then can we truly call ourselves MICHIGAN MEN (and WOMEN)??
I feel bad for the poor guy.
Dude fakes this to win the Heisman. That's pretty gross.
I don't think he faked this to win the Heisman...or at least not primarily.
God, is there a single honest AD left in America? Given what we know already, it's inconceivable that Teo (and, by extension, ND) are blameless victims. The kid told elaborate lies to the media, and the photos of his "gf" can be traced directly back to one of Teo's own buddies. So, unless you believe one of the guy's oldest homies was simultaneously orchestrating a massive catfish hoax on Teo, then you must conclude that Teo was in on it.
And ND knew all this a while ago.
Swarbrick will be out by February.
I'm just pissed that the NFL Network interrupted "The Brady Six" to cut into a press conference concerning a dude who doesn't even draw a paycheck in their league yet.
It's on youtube, by the way. Saw that it was on tv tonight but couldn't watch so I checked.
with his girlfriend on Oct 2 with Gene Wojciechowski on espn. Listening to Wojo's recollection of the interview now it's really hard to come to the conclusion that he was not complicit in this hoax. Not to mention all the countless interviews and references to the tragedy Te'o has mentioned up until now.
In my experience friends who had made up girlfriends or boyfriends typically ended up being gay and just used the distant other as a ruse. It's hard being different. He is a Polynesian, Mormon, at a Catholic school in the midwest with ridiculously high expectations for their football program and he was the poster boy this year.
That's a Tremendous amount of weight to carry, specially if he started this whole thing. If he wants to play in the NFL, trajectory is deny, deny, deny.
Welcome to the blog.
The most plausible explanation to me isn't necessarily that he's gay. Its more that he needed to keep telling bigger and bigger lies in order to cover up for his initial lie, and he just got caught up in it. When he decided it was getting too difficult to manage he simply killed off his fake GF and the problem was supposed to go away. Unfortunately for him, his team mates, the ND media and then the national media picked up on and leveraged it into a human interest story. By then it was too late to back off and he was stuck telling even bigger lies.
but a Heisman candidate at ND? Really? Why? He was a hero on campus and could have had a real girlfriend or could have slept around. Hell, he could even have gone the virgin Tebow route.
Faking an internet girlfriend reeks of the fact that he wanted to hide something,
Sadly, if he would have been honest, he would have had a lot of love from all.
Who knows. Its all totally off the chain anyway. Once you're in the land of make believe things get out of hand pretty quickly.
If the relationship were purely fictitious, wouldn't the easiest way to have ended it be to say he and she decided to go their separate ways? That is the way most college relationships end, and just about every other week.
This story has legs. Seems to me that Teo and ND ought to make sure they have ever "i" dotted and every "t" crossed before they go on record in a presser. In addition, should this thing become the subject of a criminal investigation, every phone conversation is available to investigators as is every internet session, so if he and she were on the phone all night, as is alleged, that shouldn't be too hard to establish. I'd bet that ND won't push for a formal investigation by authorities.
Dead/Fake/Kekua Twitter Account:
It isn't fair to drag Reagan and Troy into this.. a lot of truths and myths need to be addressed here, and they will be at noon PST tomorrow
Regarding Troy Polumalu/Reagan Mauia
Looks like that twitter account was created today. Bizarre . . .
What makes you say that? There are tweets from Sept and Nov on there.
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm twittilliterate.
Swarbrick said there was a girl in on it who did that
You know, for sport
And what star of a huge university who is on television all the time doesn't have women flocking to him and if he is heterosexual, why does he then hold on to a girl he's never met on the internet? Not to mention what has been said before about facetime and skype. He's totally either hiding his sexuality or simply making things up to get more attention. Either way it is sad but I can't stop being interested.
The only possible explanation I can think of is that maybe it's extremely important for him and/or his family to date a Mormon, and there probably aren't many at ND, so he had to go online. But then again, there'd probably be plenty of girls willing to consider conversion to be with him.
Respectfully, this unwarranted speculation about T'eo's sexual orientation needs to stop. Not only is it unfounded, but it's far from the only inference to be drawn here from T'eo being duped (if he in fact was duped).
He could be really naive, inexperienced, and overly trusting. His public persona supports this. He could be observant, religiously, and drawn to the idea of platonic unrequited love. He could also be one of those guys who actively has like six girlfriends.
Some great ND schadenfreude going on right now.
I cannot agree that Teo would do this to hide his sexuality. You don't need to create this fiction to do that. Mormonism can do it for you.
If there will be any serious repercussion? Thoughts??
My internet goes down for a day, and when I come back Manti Teo and his dead girlfriend are shown to be hoaxes, and Chip Kelly heads to the NFL. Remind me to never leave the internet ever again.
So there's word that apparently "Lennay Kekua" is an anagram of Leukemia, spelled "Leukkennya'a" in Hawaiian...does anyone know if this is true? If so, WOW.
It's not true.
"Saturday Night Live" comedian Seth Myers admonished online comics: "These Te'o jokes are all very funny but let's all try and remember that a person who never existed is dead."
That is great. Very funny.
Just watched this. A few observations.
1. ND certainly had advanced knowledge of the subject matter. Swarbrick was prepared and would not likely have been so specific had this been news to ND.
2. If there really is a conspiracy like the one alleged it will come out. Several participants. Online footprints. I doubt this was fabricated.
3. ND is treating this as a serious crisis. If ND had reason to believe T'eo was in on this I doubt Swarbrick would have been so unequivocal in his wording. The stakes are very high and Swarbrick is too smart to take positions that can easily be refuted.
4. ND would not hesitate to throw T'eo under the bus if it had to. The story had no direct credibility risk to ND. Until they defended T'eo, that is.
Just some explanation for saying he met her multiple times . 1. Too embarrassed to tell public it's only an online relationship. 2. He's gay, and made her up to teammates, which escalated out of control teammates want to meet her then he says she can't make it because she has cancer etc.
a) T'eo is complicit
b) it was a lomg distance relationship (or so he thought) starter on Facebook, and he was punked by the person(s) on the other emd all along including the phone calls and meeting someone claiming to be this person while at Stanford.
Post on this yet! !
This whole story is just weird. I don't know what to think with NFL players also claiming to have met the girl, too. This Lennay thing is just all kinds of crazy. And Swarbrick's tears during the press conference just added to the strangeness of it all. What a mess.
Does ANYONE believe ND or any rep of ND on this Story?...ANYONE?
So then espn article has inconsistencies. First it states that Manti contacted his coaches early morning on Dec. 26 telling them he had been contacted by his "gf" while in Orlando for an espn awards banquet but later states that Swarbick met with Te'o on the 27th "the day after Te'o received the call." I am assuming the awards show was not on the 26th? Or maybe espn has the chronology mixed up. This is all too strange.
I watched the ESPN award show he referenced, it was on December 6th
He never once skyped or webcamed with 'the love of his life' WHOM he met ONLINE??!?!?!
He's in on this in some fashion.