Stanford vs. ND is always on Thanksgiving weekend when in California.
maybe i should have had greg howard write the brandon obit.
Stanford vs. ND is always on Thanksgiving weekend when in California.
Let's say its true; as a media contact at ND, don't I contact the family of the deceased to make sure it's ok that her name is put in the media.
If you were the family wouldnt you expect this before they used her name and pictures on television?
And if you are the media, wouldn't a quote from her father, mother, family member whatever be something you want to get. Something how Te'o helped her to be strong throughout her battle? How he was a positive influence in her life? Especially since this was not a short lived story.
are never the subject of media inquiry. They leave them alone out of respect and common decency.
Swarbrick sounded very Tresselesque to me.
It was a traveshamockery.
None of the details add up, and Jack Swarbrick was a complete embarrassment.
On a scale of 1-10, I'd give it 10 Lies out of 10.
All the facts are pointing to the whole Te'o family being involved in this and the ND AD is actually buying this shit!?
the story only broke at 4:15 PM or so ........ NOT EVEN FOUR HOURS later, here's the press conference after ND had already released a statement as well.
They must be pretty darn confident in the story, especially considering this is a situation where noone would really fault them if they said "this involves Monte, not us, we have no comment."
Really? Try harder.
Don't be fools. Go read the evidence on Deadspin, they present it very well. If you think that Teo was an unwilling vicitim you are ignorant. ND is just in a very desperate manner to support their star. But, the truth is painfully obvious when you consider all the evidence...come on people.
evidence and deadspin together in one post? lolnope.
It's probably worth reminding yourself that Deadspin got this right after more "reputable" outlets ran with the dead girlfriend story for months.
However, mainstream media is very fickle. When they find a "heart warming story" they take it and run without looking back. They may find something questionable about said story, and ignore it to continue the good publicity.
A receipt for the white roses he sent her after the Michigan game & a delivery confirmation including what address they were delivered to.
Does this mean his two picks were also faked?
That presser said a whole lot about nothing. This has all the makings of a publicity stunt and all these "investigations" are just a way of covering their ass.
when Te'o learned that Deadspin was investigating this story?
Dec 26, when he went to his coaches. The phone call wasn't from her number, it was from Deadspins
As a PR graduate, I learned this shit in COM 101.
So to quickly look back: Declan Sullivan actually dies and ND, Kelly and to a certain extent ESPN show no remorse and aren't forth coming with truth or details. Manti T'eo's fake girlfriend dies and it is exploited and used as propaganda up to and passed the NC game. To hell with Notre Dame.
you don't want to include the cover up of the girl that was raped by an ND football player, committed suicide when she saw that the ND administration did not take her seriously / did not want to find out the truth, and then ND acted like the girl completely fabricated the entire story?
I think the girl is a little different in the sense that she may have had some mental issues. It should have been looked in to more but I don't think it all happened like she said it did. This is coming from girls I know at ND and St Mary's that had met her. And I don't think Shembo would do that bc I know him.
Its not really NDs story to announce. The Te'os had the information they needed and for some reason didn't announce it.
Not sure why everyone is ripping on ND, there was nothing illegal about what happened, there was no NCAA violations that occurred. There was no drugs, alchohol or violence involved. It was a kid who messed up in his personal life.
If they are participating in a cover up, then they deserve to be ripped.
They were defrauded as well. Also profited from this. I mean if am employee lies about his resume and the company finds out he is a fraud... Trust me, a statement is made.
Yeah bc college football coaches have little control of their programs. Look at Brian Kelly's past. He's a controversial coach who has some horrible stuff attached to him. Suicides, homicides, infidelity, cover ups... I have buddies that played for him at GVSU - according to them he will do absolutely anything to reach the top. World class Ahole with no moral compass whatsoever.
I know I'm a biased Mich fan but this info is from good friends. Kelly is and always has been a bad dude. Sorry.
because we don't believe Swarbrick is telling the truth. We could be wrong, but he is asking us to swallow an implausible story bolstered by a super secret investigation. Frankly, he has little credibility with me after seeing him handle the Declan Sullivan tragedy.
Not really sure what you mean about "handling" it. A good read for you is here:
With the actual report of 6 months of investigation here:
This is intellectual dishonesty. If you can't see it, well allow me to retort. You have a Heisman campaign, national media sympathy in a Cinderella season on one hand and a completely disingenuous presser where the AD gets all misty over his star LB getting the wool pulled over his eyes all set against a backdrop of rape-suicide and negligent homicide that the school ignored and covered up. Your right, there aren't any NCAA violations here, just basic human dignity violations. Carry on.
This all happened before ND was a NCG contender and long before Te'o was on anyones Heisman lists. But don't let your Maize & Blue lenses fog your judgement.
As for negligent homicide, read said links posted previously.
As for the rape-suicide, the polive investigated the incident and dismissed it when they pulled the supposed incriminating txt messages and found nothing. The truth being, there was no rape to investigate.
Not everybody's the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I think that people need a second chance, and I've always looked up to Mike Vick, and I always will.
As I said before and got neg'd for it on the "T'eo is a class act" threads. The players on the team do not like Manti. I know this from speaking to someone on the team. They think he is full of himself. "Douchebag" was the term that was used. But hey, I'm random internet guy, its cool.
I love how when we agree with an anon poster with alleged sources, points go high. When we disagree, shit storms occur.
There's a report from a Boston sports writer stating that some of his teammates began to suspect something was up in September. When asked if he was a good actor, he stated very good.
How does someone not go visit their girlfriend after she is in a car accident and is diagnosed with cancer? They have not even come close to providing an explanation for that. Or as bomani jones said how do you not remember if your GF died thew same day as your grandmother?
care to link the report or the writer? Did this report happen before today? Or should we assume he is Ace williams after the fact?
You're so right. Among the must f-ed up thing about Teo's "love story" is the degree to which people hailed him for playing in a football game rather than attend the funeral of his girlfriend who just died of leukemia. Most backward-ass "values" I've seen in a long time.
How could any self-respecting guy refer to someone as their "girlfriend" when they had never actually physically met them?
to garner sympathy when she is "dying" or if he may never have one
have sex until after they get married.
but that's the only thing I'd understand as "meeting that is not physically.
They are going to tell me Rudy was fake.
Rudy was fake.
I agree. Everyone asks me how many times I have watched that movie. They are shocked to learn, only once.
I have to ask you phork, how bad is the ND meltdown? or is everyone buying the company line?
Its really the conflagration of misinformation out there. Everyone is running like "Who the hell do we believe here".
My personal belief after seeing everything thats been released so far is the following:
And then it gets weird.
Here is where my tin foil hat comes in, brace yourself.
Robert Woods @HeismanWoods @iworship hahaha sick, what did you guys do today
My big issue, obviously as is everyones, is why Te'o covered it up for so long. Certainly plausible that the biggest name on one of America's popular brands was embarrassed. As would any of us be. I have nothing to contend the facts as they appear, until Te'o speaks. ND did what it had to, it defended its brand. If it felt that something was rotten why would they defend a player/student who was no longer a player or a student, you would think they would distance themselves.
I really can't stand how some of these media outlets are all about BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN mentality when no one has more than 10% of the facts. Do I believe Te'o had something to do with it? Well I will never say never about anything. I do believe he was not complicit in the hoax, outside of finding out it was a hoax in early December. And for those who argue he was in on it to garner Heisman love, ND was 2-0, just barely beat Purdue, was barely in the Top25 and he wasn't anywhere near Heisman radar.
In the end I can't say I would be surprised at any outcome here. As a football fan it seems like it was already 20 years ago that ND was 12-1, this includes the Kelly to the NFL bullshit. In the end I feel like Te'o got duped, was embarrassed about the whole thing and here we are. If USC had anything to do with this, or intimate knowledge of it I can see Kiffin being ended and possibly the cancellation of the USC series. I believe this as much as you guys believe that Te'o had any involvement in the fake gf story over and above a kid who got played.
Te'os Uncle Speaks: http://1280thezone.com/index.php/audio/listen/alema_teo
Interesting tidbits in regards to this Ronaiah kid.