NCAA Adopts Transfer Portal Window

Submitted by HelloHeisman91 on September 1st, 2022 at 6:17 AM
https://twitter.com/chris_hummer/status/1565084931600093192?s=21&t=HHmL2NPX8pU_OwnaDBcfWg

Amazinblu

September 1st, 2022 at 6:37 AM ^

This is interesting.

So, just another attempt to limit a student’s freedom.

 How about a four year scholarship to all sports - at all schools - with standards the athlete must uphold (e.g. - GPA, etc.)?  Oh, the SEC wouldn’t like a four year scholly for football - so, let’s not do that.

Emmert has destroyed college athletics.. and it’s tradition..

ak47

September 1st, 2022 at 8:56 AM ^

Those sports treat players as employees and things like a trade deadline are collectively bargained in return for other benefits. If college sports wants to acknowledge players are employees and allow them to collectively bargain than at that point you can argue what other sports offer as a reasonable example.

Until that point, students shouldn’t really have any restrictions beyond what an academic scholarship has.

Amazinblu

September 1st, 2022 at 9:22 AM ^

Carolina,

I was being a bit facetious in my first remark, and let me briefly explain.

Student Athletes have my respect and admiration.  It’s challenging to balance the demands of academics and a varsity sport any time - and, especially so during the semester the sport is in competition (vs training).

The university makes a commitment to the student athlete - and, IMO, the student athlete must make a similar commitment to the universIty.   The system today - and NIL just seems to be accelerating it is - a free agent system - with NO commitment from the athlete to the university.

Effective roster management is one element - but, even more important is the experience of learning and growing during this formative period of life - before “adult” responsibility really kicks in.

So, what do I propose?  My “gut” says the following - and, I haven’t thought through this completely.  A student athlete gets one (1) transfer without having to sit.  My preference would be at the end of an academic year - though, I could see two (2) windows - at the end of a semester - or one at the of December and a second in May.  If you want to transfer - that’s when the “portal window opens”.  Any subsequent transfers would require “sitting” - not participating - in competition for one year.  Practice participation is fine - game action is not.  Graduate transfers - immediate eligibility.

Another point that I admire about the B1G is - four year scholarships - instead of one year renewables.  The SEC uses one year renewables to manage their roster - and, IMO, this is not fair to the student athlete.  An athlete who works hard in / out of the classroom might have incurred an injury, is dealing with issues (back home), or may be passed over by “the shiny new 5* prospect”, and their scholarship is not renewed.  This is garbage.  I abhor one year renewables in the greatest way.

These are very important issues - and, unfortunately - the NCAA and Emmert - have been asleep at the wheel for far too long.  The impact this has on collegiate sports is with us - and won’t go away.  There’s no going back to “how it used to be”.

The issue of holding camps in “other parts” of the country - the SEC’s objection - and NCAA’s capitulation to the SEC is an example.  Who is “really” hurt by this “only hold camps near your school”?  My view - the lower 3* or 2* high school athlete.  Why is this important?   Well - that 2*/ 3* prospect can benefit the most through a college degree.  And, instead of only being seen by local schools - would have more exposure to schools around the country - outside of his geographic footprint. 

How might that exposure happen?  Well, let’s say Michigan holds a camp in Florida, Georgia, or Louisiana.  A coach sees a solid player who is good - great effort - hard working - good student - etc - but, might not be what Michigan needs - such as a LT who is 6’ 2”.  What happens - the coach talks to a “friend” - perhaps former colleague- who’s a position coach with another team - maybe a MAC school.  The Michigan coach says - “I think you should look at this player - he could be a good fit for you.”  So, the end result - that prospect - who may not receive a Power 5 offer - picks up an offer from a MAC school or two.

The above example irritates me to no end.  And WHY - because Nick Saban and the SEC wanted to prevent any teams from recruiting “their sacred ground”.  Yeah - they might have lost out on one or two four of five star prospects to a “northern school” - but, the real loss is those athletes - the 2*/ 3* - who might have received an offer - with a better collegiate experience elsewhere - who never had an the opportunity for exposure to a broader group of coaches.  

The selfishness of those SEC coaches and weakness of the NCAA is on display every day.

Sorry for the length of this.. it’s something I believe in strongly.

energyblue1

September 1st, 2022 at 8:51 AM ^

Does whining ever stop for athletes?  Oh the horror of a div1 scholly and no student debt and how horribly they are treated.  Dear god quit crying!  Oh no, they can't up and quit at any time of the year, the tears.  

The transfer portal made it fair for athletes and time restriction makes it fair for programs that have invested tons of money into them and still have to manage a program.  How many players find out they aren't the starter and enter the portal immediately.  Boohoo.. coach was mean to me!  

 

These athletes now have NIL, have everything in their favor and all this does is limit when they can jump in the portal.  What it really does is make them think for a while before making such a rash decision.  This will save many players from themselves.  In case you haven't noticed so many enter the portal and are never picked up by another program and aren't taken back by their own program because they walked away and quit!  Hence the first lesson they really learned of action and consequence for so many athletes that have always been the best till they got to college and were coddled.  

Vote_Crisler_1937

September 1st, 2022 at 10:57 AM ^

Energyblue1,

re: athletes whining

how many athletes have been killed in the last 20 years due to coach/trainer negligence/abuse? 

rather than complain about athletes whining, I’m in favor of creating far greater accountability for coaches and admin who lead programs. My direct experience as a Big Ten athlete tells me that without accountability kids will be (have been and currently are) abused. just about every year some will die. Currently we have Scott Frost bragging about how many times his tough practices make linemen puke. In the Big Ten we’ve seen players die at Maryland, Minnesota, and Northwestern and that’s just off the top of my head. 

I can think of few better ways to hold coaches accountable and empower athletes to speak up than letting that athlete take his/her talents somewhere else. Immediately. With no repercussion to the player. 

MichiganMan2011

September 1st, 2022 at 9:27 AM ^

Relevant piece of this update:

"NCAA rules now will require any school that considers athletics when awarding scholarships to transfer student-athletes to provide that scholarship for the rest of a student's five-year eligibility or until they complete the requirements for their bachelor's degree, unless the student transfers again or engages in professional athletics opportunities."

Amazinblu

September 1st, 2022 at 11:10 AM ^

2011 - so, is this an NCAA requirement for ALL Division 1 schools - a four / five tear scholarship commitment to the student athlete?

If so, I think it’s a great idea.  And, that being said - is there any noted commitment from the student athlete to the University?   I would hope that there’s a mutual agreement from both the student athlete and the University.

BroadneckBlue21

September 1st, 2022 at 9:52 AM ^

They get free schooling—or in some sports at least some partial tuition reduction—in exchange for their commitments to play a sport/be part of a team. The least there can be is some, you know, National standards for commitment to one’s commitments. 

Arguing for fewer rules is arguing for the Wild West and pretending such ideas are part of the destruction of college athletics. No, regulation isn’t not the problem. Not regulating the regulations is the problem.

Communist Football

September 1st, 2022 at 10:27 AM ^

The rules are pretty reasonable. There remain exceptions if a coach bolts, for example:

The legislation also establishes exceptions to the new windows for student-athletes who experience head coach changes or have athletics aid reduced, canceled or not renewed.

The board also adopted new, more specific standards for immediate eligibility waivers for student-athletes who do not otherwise meet the one-time transfer exception, focusing on student-athlete well-being or circumstances outside the student-athlete's control.

the Glove

September 1st, 2022 at 11:50 AM ^

The unrestricted movement that we currently have with the transfer portal is absolutely hurting high school students. So if a high school kid signs on national signing Day and the next day the program brings in transfers at their position. That would have been great information for that kid to have known before signing. It's time to stop the wild west that is going on now. 

Amazinblu

September 1st, 2022 at 12:45 PM ^

Never - I have no confidence that the NCAA can recover  - or re-establish itself.  It’s a bully pulpit, at best.  Nothing but hot air.  Emmert was instrumental in the lack of governance.  

I just think of North Carolina’s approach to “classes” for players to keep them eligible to play.

Angry-Dad

September 1st, 2022 at 6:46 AM ^

I get they are trying to do something to help control the chaos the transfer portal brings to roster management, but I am not sure this accomplishes a whole lot except reduce kids options.  With all rules regardless of good intentions you will end up with some bad results from this. 

Also, football and men's basketball should just break away.  I get the NCAA tournament is great, but I feel confident that whatever entity that takes over could replicate it.  

Booted Blue in PA

September 1st, 2022 at 8:21 AM ^

Stop it.... if the NCAA did it, it has to be shit and they must be trying to screw the student athlete.

 

It makes sense to have some rules and structure.....   certainly there will be unintended consequences, as much as people want it to be, we will never live in a world without consequences for actions.

 

Onward, Go Blue!

Angry-Dad

September 1st, 2022 at 9:43 AM ^

My default is not everything the NCAA does is bad.  The fact the could not see this mess coming is an indication that they are not well run or orginized.  I think the rule is well intentioned but it is so reactionary when everyone with a voice said this chaos would happen does not establish a lot of confidence.   Additionally they are a bit of a toothless entity.  Whenever a school wants to cheat they just do it and dare the NCAA to do something about it.  

I think if you had an orginization that ran the revenue sports you could have real compliance since all of the stake holders would have an interest in playing under the same rules (money is a hell of a motivator).  Not naive enough to think programs that want to cheat will just stop, but actual consequences for cheating would help level the playing field.  NCAA seems unable or unwilling to do so.   

Go Blue!  2 Days!

BroadneckBlue21

September 1st, 2022 at 10:00 AM ^

Please, have you ever met any college administrator—or anyone in any business? There are very few businesses that actually see all the problems before they exist. It isn’t a failing of the NCAA—it is a failing of people being people.

There are no perfect organizations—and the most successful ones still have lots of problems. Google, Apple, Amazon, Meta, Twitter.
 

Institutions, even if they can predict what may happen, often react in response, not in prevention, or they get the Dr. Fauci treatment—being conservative and severe with regulating is antithetical to the whole “pay college athletes” premise that has been the loud view for 10-20 years. 

Amazinblu

September 1st, 2022 at 12:49 PM ^

Blue 21, respectfully, I agree that no one can predict the future - or - anticipate challenges before they arise.  However, the NCAA has - at best - been inconsistent in enforcing rules - or investigating potential infractions. I cited an example with North Carolina and phantom classes in another comment.

i’m not asking for them to be sages and predict the future.  Just engage as certain issues arise - and be proactive.

UgLi Eric

September 1st, 2022 at 6:56 AM ^

A question or five. What if you just ignored these windows? What if you played with ineligible players? Who actually controls or can say that you didn't play by rules? What is the NCAA and why do they matter to us anymore?

 

LSAClassOf2000

September 1st, 2022 at 8:26 AM ^

Admittedly, I begin to wonder just how effective any further legislation of any kind from the NCAA could possibly be. It does seem, with each passing day and each passing major tournament, that their primary purpose is to facilitate travel and associated logistics, supporting things that schools more or less take on themselves to varied extents. 

UgLi Eric

September 1st, 2022 at 9:16 AM ^

I, obviously, concur. Not a hot take even anymore. Just fact. The NCAA is lame, while the conferences are becoming scarily powerful. I don't have answers for what the NCAA should do at this stage (can't say anything particularly helpful, nor nice) but if i were advising one of the two major conferences, I would just outwardly rebel against anything they do that doesn't support my ideals and create my own product with my own oversight. 

DennisFranklinDaMan

September 1st, 2022 at 10:24 AM ^

Well, to the extent it (in theory) reflects a general consensus among universities about what the applicable rules should be, it would certainly allow a school to refuse to play another that is flagrantly violating them.

I'm not saying they would, or that any violation would justify it, but it does give a school that's adhering to the NCAA's standards something to point to in saying, "nope -- not going to play you, not going to give you your money back, and we'll claim this as a forfeit by you, thank you very much" -- thus forcing some authority to determine.

That's part of the point of rules (and laws), after all. Yes, there are penalties and sanctions for their breach, but they also represent a general attempt to find mutually-acceptable guidelines to make the games (and society) work.

mGo Go Gadget Play

September 1st, 2022 at 9:24 AM ^

I don't understand what this means. Are there two windows? For football, the champion is declared in mid-January, so a 45-day window would be something like Jan 11 - Feb 25. Are players then locked onto their rosters from Feb 26 - May 1, at which point a second window opens up? Can a player transfer in March, then notify the school they left on May 2? 

I get that the NCAA should set rules to prevent players from transferring Dec1 from a losing team to play on a bowl team (cough, Yost, cough), but this tweet fails to communicate the specifics of the rule.