More bad details in Frank Clark case
Didn't see this posted, but there are some new revelations in the Frank Clark case (to my knowledge none of this was in Ace's piece or on the board, if I'm wrong, please zap the thread).
The hotel manager says Clark threatened her saying "I will hit you like I hit her" which jives nicely with the Seahawks' claim they'd never draft a player who hit a woman. Clark also lied to an officer claiming his girlfriend had been drinking, and that his father was a chief of police.
Also interesting, apparently "the day after the arrest" the Seahawks along with several other teams sent representatives to investigate the incident.
Posting from Seattle...
Pete Carroll has a history of taking problem players and trying to rehabilitate them. They are kept on a pretty short leash and the org is not afraid to cut the cord if they stray. They gave up a lot to get Percy Harvin and when he blew it, they got rid of him and got very little in return.
I'm not saying IN ANY WAY that domestic violence is okay. Just that if past history holds, Clark will have to be a boy scout here or he will be out.
Thankfully he didn't let any air out of footballs
The NFL is really starting to disgust me. It starts at the top with douchebag Goodell the biggest hypocrite of all.
Next week, Tom Brady will reportedly receive up to a 6 game suspension for doing what nearly all QBs do which is get the balls in shape how they like it.
Brad Johnson admitted to doctoring the balls in the Super Bowl and no one said a word about it.
Yet everyone comes out with self-santimonious crap vs. Tom and the league and Goodhell are guaging public opinon before they decide what punishment to lay on Tom.
Pure Hypocrites.
And now Frank Clark...skates by just like all of the other wife abusers and questionable picks have in the past. Hopefully, he has learned from his mistakes and becomes a good person...somehow I doubt that will happen.
A true non-hypocrite would want punishment for both Brady, and Clark. Also it is a bit hypocritical to say they hope someone changes, and then turn around and flat out doubt they ever will.
Keep twisting others words around to suit your weak argument. That ought to get you far in life. A Webster's dictionary may be helpful to you.
He better not blow it. And if he does, I hope no one gives him another.
People who paint an NFL team, and it's fanbase as morally bankrupt for drafting a player that where more than happy to cheer for the same player after he robbed a fellow student years prior.
The Irony... it kills me.
If this additional scrutiny is the thing that makes Frank Clark a better person, great (though there is no evidence that is the case). I don't think this has any chance of the doing the same for the NFL, however.
Personally, I hope Frank Clark is very successful in Seattle. I thought the article Brian wrote a few days after Clark was dismissed from the team was one of the most eloquent, considerate articles I've ever read.
It's very easy for someone like myself--having the great fortune of being raised in a loving, two-parent home where the most violent action I ever saw was myself winging the Monopoly steamboat across the family room--to judge a horrific action like that which alledgely occurred that day in the Ohio hotel room. But childhood/background certainly plays a large part in this phenomenon, and if there is a possibility somebody can be rehabilitated and stop the vicious, repetitive cycle, that should be everyone's ultimate goal.
Semi-related, I wonder if the NFL's no-tolerance policy towards domestic violence will have "unintended," horrible consequences. I can very well imagine a scenario where abusive players in the league use the no-tolerance policy as a threat against an abused SO to prevent reporting a violent event. I can see domestic violence by NFL players not reduced one bit, but reported events declining. The Machiavellian view would argue that maybe this is the result the NFL has wanted all along. The players stay on the field and out of the news.
I don't know about your unintended consequences, but I do know that the old/existing system doesn't fucking work.
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The plea bargain is the very core of our criminal legal system.
You must be entirely unfamiliar with our legal system if you respect it in the least.
At least judges and juries are not overtly for profit businesses.
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At some point, people have to stop playing morality police and let the legal system work, or not work, as it is supposed to. If it is not working, then they IMO they need to lobby to fix the legal system, not crusade to brand individual people as un-hirable for their entire lives for something that we don't even have a clear picture of the events.
Did Clark do something bad? Yeah, obviously. Do we know exactly what happened? No. Would it be fair to say he should never be able to play in the NFL based on some he-said she-said version of events where no one really can prove what exactly happened? I can't really see how that would be fair.
Note, I am not saying it isn't possible that he is a terrible guy who hit his girlfriend. But unless the legal system SAYS he is, making that moral judgement on our own just because we feel like he did is is treading on some dangerous ground. His charges were reduced to something pretty minor. In the eyes of the law, he's not a felon. Continuing to treat him as such is not really how our society is supposed to work.
I probably wouldn't let my daughters anywhere near him, but the man deserves the right to earn a living unless he has been proven to have done something worse than what he pled out to. Maybe that doesn't seem right, and maybe he IS getting away with one (or heck, two or three or more) but making assumpions about what people have done isn't the way things are supposed to work in this country.
In the eyes of the law, he's not a felon.
Well, except for the fact that he is a felon in the eyes of the law... just not for THIS particular incident.
"Michigan's Frank Clark pleads guilty to felony charge of second-degree home invasion"
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2012/09/michigans_frank_clark…
in his new pro football life. Because throwing all the $$'s from an NFL 2nd round rookie contract into his old life would be a disaster.
F*ck Frank Clark! I don't care if he a talented athlete. F*ck him! Beating and choking a woman is something no man should do to the opposite sex, especially when that man is built to take on an offensive line. How many of us would stand a chance against this guy one-on-one? Not many. I know he would drop me like I wasn't there. Just imagine how powerless this poor girl was at his hands. It's ugly to think about.
I have three sisters and two of my sisters have been in physically abusive relationships. With one of my sisters, we didn't find out until much later. With my other sister, we found out that very night (and if he had been there when we arrived, my dad and I would have buried him). It still bothers me to this day.
It's cool to love Michigan football and all, but I'm not that much of a fan that I will try and rationalize such low behavior on the grounds that he made a mistake and that I hope he grows from it. Money won't make him a better man. He is what he is, down to the bone. When he blows through his money, he'll make headlines again (if not before then). Stay tuned.
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I chose "Clicking on the little red down arrow."
Frank Clark is a woman beater who was dismissed from the team and rightly so. He is not what a "Michigan Man" should be.
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Don't look at that!!! DEFLATED FOOTBALLS!!! That's the real issue!!!