MLB decides to move All-star game and draft from Georgia
So you were bored and wanted to post something to rile people up?
It's OT season and this is national sports news
What exactly has you riled up?
It’s the people who go at each other non stop on this blog that riles me up.
Activity that support's freedom to vote riles you up?
No but the clowns who feel the need to bitch at each other on a sports blog about it does.
Shut up and dribble?
Shut up and quit posting about our shitty world in a sports blog where a lot of people like a break from assholes bitching at each other non stop.
I see exactly one asshole bitching...
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head scans the room, left to right, right to left, hand above the eyebrows...head whips back to the middle...
...OPE, there he is!
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You would be wise to take your own advice.
and yet, here you are
How 'bout you go hang out on the Chips' board?
End of problem.
People are free to vote. IDs are not expensive. And maybe there is someone who would have trouble getting everything together, but should the whole system suffer because of a few people? No
Exactly, voting-fraud is almost non-existent. Why should all these millions of voters have to go through these hoops for something that almost never happens?
It almost never happens because voting laws have never been this lax.
And there also hasn't been any mention about a solution regarding election integrity in the face massive mail in voting.
Your response made zero sense.
And voting by mail has been around in some states for either side of a century. There is basically zero history of meaningful fraud in the countless elections it's been used.
This is classic solution in search of a problem.
Yes it has in the form of absentee ballots. which (wait for it) required identification. Hence no voter fraud throughout history.
2020 elections were operating under liberalized voter registration which allowed for applications for ballots that required no identification.
What makes zero sense is that in Michigan, you are allowed to vote without a valid address. That's a troublesome development given that a major aim is to make mail-in voting a major method of elections.
Indeed, my sister received a ballot application at my house under her maiden name. How is that allowed? The opportunities for fraud right now are legion.
This is not a solution in search of a problem. It's mere common sense held hostage to those who demand ideology over truth.
Your common sense, still did NOT address the fact that despite her address there have been a handful out of millions. Despite the opportunity, there still is no evidence. So, what are you really trying to say?
This is a complete BS. I live in a state that does nothing but mail balloting and I have never been required to show an ID to vote. I didn't even show an ID when I registered. And there is no discernible voter fraud case with the mail ballots.
And where in the Constitution says that you must have an address to vote? Are homeless people not citizens? This is exactly kind of barriers that racists governments throughout US history have used to deny minority their right to vote. Why would anyone advocate for that?
I have never been required to show an ID to vote. I didn't even show an ID when I registered. And there is no discernible voter fraud case with the mail ballots.
Gameboy, I think you just made a stronger case for fraud. Based on your example, how would anyone be able to tell if your vote was legit to begin with? So, then I would also guess that you would be ok with me taking out a loan in your name because no one bothered to ID me?
Surely you are aware of the many, many attempts at proving voter fraud in court by the Republicans last year. They went through the votes with a fine toothed comb and found a handful of questionable votes out of the millions cast. The incidence of voter fraud was extremely negligible.
Yes approximately some 80+ court cases. It was hardly with a fine toothed comb. Fulton county for example was never examined and governing organizations refused the audits requested.
No judge is going to re open a case and be the person smeared with the anti-democratic brush. Naturally the court cases were going to be thrown out.
Of course there wasn't going to be any fraud found. The laws were changed so that it wouldn't be construed as illegal. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court lengthening the amount of time to allow mail in voting to be processed.
You are in denial.
Your guy got blasted.
And then he riled up his fascist supporters so much they attempted a coup d'etat.
And now they're resorting to their old go-to, voter suppression.
Yes, the Confederacy is alive and well.
Tough to prove anything when the evidence has been tampered with.
1. Stop the counting part way through the evening. (GA, PA, WI, MI, AZ).
2. Send all of the observers home and tell them you will start counting again in the a.m.
3. Start counting again once the observers have left, separating the mail in ballots from the envelopes they arrived in, where signatures could be verified.
4. Recount all of the ballots with out being able to tie them to the envelope they arrived in.
5. Vote dumps between 2-3 a.m. in all 5 of those states of between 125,000 and 175,000, all for one candidate, and most only completed for POTUS - no other races selected.
Right - nothing to see here. No voter fraud of any kind. LOL
I don't know enough about Georgia voting regulations to have an opinion on it either way. I will look into it. Maybe I'll conclude that it's a bad thing. But I too am growing so weary of everything in our society having to pass through a political lens before it can exist as a thing. The incessant virtue signaling is soaking our culture in rage.
Everything is political and always has been! Sports more than most things.
I miss the days when sports weren't divisive and political...like when Jackie Robinson came to the MLB.
Yes but you see, you've already revealed how you're going to conclude once you've "looked into" GA's voting regulations - you used the expression "virtue signaling" !
Now everyone of any stripe already knows how you feel about myriad issues, whether you intended to signal that or not...
yes, because why pass an argument of voting rights through a "political lens."
Straw man. I'm not saying don't view voting rights through a political lens. I'm saying don't hold the site of a baseball game accountable to a political lense.
Georgia made it a crime to offer water to someone standing in line to vote.
This idea came up because they have cut down on early voting in person as well as mail voting and they know that will bring long lines in some places.
Historically the long lines have been mostly in a few predictable locations. Those can be found be anyone interested.
You're wrong.
Political parties are not allowed within a certain distance of polling stations, not allowed to spread their literature within a given distance, basically don't allow people to pressure voters to vote a certain way.
3rd party "interests" were going around this by taking water to people in line and using that as a way around the rules and spouting rhetoric in lines to sway voters.
Don't be disingenuous about what the rule actually is. (Oh, and not a crime so again you're wrong).
Says the guy bitching the most in the entire thread. Classic
Chips is right. This will lead to nothing but a bunch of crap. Putingrad knows exactly what he’s doing.
This is a serious question, so don't flip out, but what is so wrong with having to show your ID to vote?
I have to show my ID every time I vote in Michigan. I assume that's to protect me. Otherwise my next door neighbor could go in a half hour before me, say he's me, and steal my right to vote. Where is the hole in this?
Plenty of countries have figured out how to vote without a national system of ID's. Remember all the Iraqis showing the thumbs up covered in ink? Why put logistical barriers up to voting that only affect poor people.
LOL
Guarantee you if folks think an ID is controversial, that fingerprinting everyone to prove whom they are would be 1,000 times worse - although I like the idea in that it would further eliminate the POSSIBILITY of fraud (I said possibility for certain folks :) ).
The requiring an ID isn't so bad, but why is it a thing now that the republicans need votes? It isn't because of fraudulent voting; that has been checked over and over again. What about the 'can't feed or offer drink to the folks standing in line to vote'? Is that supposed to inhibit fraudulent voting? None of these 'improvements' are aimed at reducing fraudulent voting, they are aimed at reducing the democratic vote, by making it harder to vote. This is the hole.
"What about the 'can't feed or offer drink to the folks standing in line to vote'?"
You need to re-read the conditions. This is not a thing. It is a exaggerated talking point to rile people up. Much like the OP.
Correct, the GA law is written to only allow poll workers to offer food and drink to voters thus eliminating gifting from outside influencers.
So why would a polling location giving water to people in line a problem? How does that I fluence a vote?
Why are there lines so long that people need to worry about hydration.
Because a common method of suppressing the vote is by reducing the number of polling places/machines.
So you think someone who is willing to stand in line to vote 8 to 10 hours is going to have their vote swayed by someone offering them food or water?
Ignore everything that has to do with what happens at the polls. Hours, water, IDs, who cares. This bill, passed by the legislature, increases the power of the legislature in elections. The SOS and county boards are cut out. Now the legislature has more say than the people. This should be a red flag to anyone, regardless of party.
A small group of people who are already in office, just decided that they have the final say over who gets elected to office.
Sirens should be going off. This is the antithesis of democracy.
Thanks for pointing out one of the scariest set of provisions in the Georgia bill, one that is NOT getting enough attention.
Despite the overall trend in Georgia towards being a swing state at the statewide level, the Georgia State legislature is a completely different story. To allow the final say to fall into the hands of those already in power flys in the face of the essential system of checks and balances upon which democracy itself must be built.
It may not be a big deal to you . Its not a big deal to me. To some though it may be .
I recently got vaccinated . Registered online . Printed out forms that I thought was needed . Filled them out . Took pics with my phone in case they needed them digitally . Brought my ID to the vax center .
They needed none of the things i brought and didnt ask for any kind of ID, no drivers license . Nothing .
They had it set up, forms that were checked to make sure i was supposed to be there, at what time etc .
If something that important could be done without ID , why couldnt voting be done without it ?
There are plenty of safe guards that are built in to the voting system. Making it hard to commit mass voter fraud . Thats why its a rare thing and there is no proof of it being done in a massive way .
Despite what someone might be telling you ( and not being bound to prove)
Bit of a disingenuous argument there, no? The ID requirement isn't what has so many people in a rage. Maybe you didn't know that? It's the closing of polling locations early, before many working folks can get to a polling location. It's the absolutely, naked voter suppression, why should it be illegal for people to provide water, or snacks even... to people standing in an hours long line to vote? Most of us here don't have to deal with that shit, we can get in and out quickly, and our polling locations stay open until a reasonable time. That is not the case in districts where malicious politicians conspire to reduce polling locations, forcing long lines, and now they can also close those locations early.
I kind of hope you didn't know these things. There's a lot more besides those couple of details. It's blatant voter suppression, in a region where the Republican party clearly wants to make it harder to vote. Is that really the society you want?
You are presenting a lot of talking points as facts when in that same statement you make it clear that their is no way for you to know if indeed they are facts since you clearly stated they don’t apply to your situation. You are just regurgitating biased messaging that is meant to get the masses riled up.
Fact: Georgia state IDs may be obtained for free for all Georgia residents.
Fact: Only 3% of Georgia residents don’t have state issued IDs.
Fact: Voting in person already required a photo ID. Voting by mail / absentee ballot did not. Why shouldn’t absentee ballots have the same requirements that already exist for in person voting? How is it an undo burden when 97% of Georgia voters have photo IDs and they may be obtained for free?
Fact: Campaigning or attempting to influence voters is legally prohibited within a certain distance of polls. It is illegal to bribe people to vote a certain way. Don’t you think the intent of not allowing people to provide voters within 150 feet of the poll with food and water is intended to prevent its abuse to influence voters, similar to let’s say a bagman giving a football recruit a McDonalds bag full of cash. We know these days that people are just as crazy about their politics as they are their sports teams, so this is certainly plausible. Poll workers are allowed to provide self service food and drinks to people in line, and anyone can offer food and drink if more than 150 ft from polls and 25 feet from the line.
Fact: The voting hour reduction claim has been debunked. Election Day hours remain unchanged. 7AM-7PM and if you are in line prior to 7PM in Election Day, it is required that you still be allowed to vote. Only early voting saw potential changes, but not really. They set a minimum and maximum. The minimum is 9AM-5PM and the max is 7AM-7PM. To make up for the potential shorter early voting hours they actually added an extra mandatory Saturday that polls need to be open and made Sundays an optional add.
My recommendation is people should actually read the new law before deciding how to feel about it.