Michigan opens as a 20 point dog in The Game
Everyone knows Hoke is gone and I think the troops will rally and keep it within three TDs.
I'm all in for Michigan (and the points)! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
Now who's with me?!
edit: per some requests, here are some prior spreads:
2011 UM -8.5 result UM 40 OSU 34
2012 OSU -4 result OSU 26 UM 21
2013 OSU -17 result OSU 42 UM 41
2014 OSU opens at -20 to -19.5, I expect it to go to 17 ish again.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:22 PM ^
They're being extremely kind.
November 24th, 2014 at 7:13 AM ^
That unfortunately is as close to a sure thing. Taking ohio -20 is a pretty safe bet Im afraid
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:23 PM ^
One game this year, this would be the one that I would want to win the most. GO BLUE !
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:56 PM ^
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November 23rd, 2014 at 10:46 PM ^
Said every Michigan fan since 1935.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:24 PM ^
I look forward to the stunning revelation that this was all in fact a sort of rope-a-dope that went on three games too long, that Devin Gardner knows how to play quarterback, that Nuss can call a red zone offense, that Brady is actually wearing a headset implanted in his skull and possesses the wizardry to make points rain from the sky like locusts...
Yet we'll still lose by 20.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:23 PM ^
He's been playing his entire career right handed just waiting for this game.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:26 PM ^
what was the spread last year?
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:34 PM ^
-14 or 15, Ohio.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:26 PM ^
I just don't get why Michigan can't be smarter about Hoke. Florida did a good thing and can start their search. We don't need to pull another scenario like we did with Rich Rod and drag it out. At least with Rich Rod the teams were getting better, Hoke is getting worse. There's no debate, just tell everyone that Hoke is done after this game, I hope with all my heart that we can pull out an upset of those stupid bastards down South. I think we can keep it close for a half, but eventually our defense gets tired and our offense makes a mistake. Here's to a future where we are 20 point favorites!
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:32 PM ^
Be patient. Unlike the post-Rodriguez nonsense, we won't have a bowl game to wait for (barring some freak occurence in Columbus at least) Which means we'll be rid of Hoke in plenty of time to run a proper coaching search, and put in a decent bid on Harbaugh or some other top-tier candidate.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:27 PM ^
We just lost to Maryland at home on senior day, and OSU is playing for an outside shot at the playoffs, in Columbus. This will be a blood bath. I'll give the points.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:31 PM ^
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November 23rd, 2014 at 6:31 PM ^
What was the spread in 1969? Or 2008?
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:13 PM ^
Wikipedia claims Michigan was a 17-point dog in 1969.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 PM ^
Bo was off to the races with his new team in the first season. No excuses about rebuilding for BO. Of course it was easier to stock pile talent back in the 60s and 70s with the large number of scholarships
Hoke looks more like Bump heading into Columbus. But Bump was having a good year at 7-1 before meeting OSU. I think that line was only 13 points but Bump let Woody put 50 on our team. Bo used Woody's decision to poor it on as motivation to beat OSU at home in '69,
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:32 PM ^
I remember being at the Heisman Pose game and watching all of the OSU fannies leaving the seats at the beginning of the fourth quarter. I remember wondering how one team could ever become so bad that they threaten the integrity of rivalry. I actually wished it could be more of a rivalry again.
Now it is Michigan who is "that bad." It really needs to stop next year. I don't want to ever see Ohio State even think they can even up Michigan's advantage in all-time wins and losses. The lead is only 13 games now. It will probably be only 12 by this time next week. It is time to make the right hire and give him the support needed to put Michigan back on top.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:05 PM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:14 PM ^
Exactly. I was at a party the day of the MSU game, and all these other Michigan fans were like, "Fuck you guys, 68-34-5," and it was embarrassing. Falling back on the all-time record is what you do when you've been getting your ass kicked in the present. Not saying it doesn't matter at all, but come on.
November 24th, 2014 at 10:16 AM ^
When I told my Sparty friends that it would take 34 years for them to even out the record, and that was only if Michigan never won another UM-MSU game, that really took the wind out of their sails for a bit.
November 23rd, 2014 at 8:27 PM ^
Exactly. The fact is after this last decade most of the posters on this board probably have an overall losing record to OSU since they've been alive.
For fuck's sake my record since I've been alive is 7-13! Yes I count the 2010 game because I saw us get blasted.
November 23rd, 2014 at 9:01 PM ^
Ugh. Your comment made me curious as to what the record is over my lifetime. Last year's loss finally dropped Michigan below .500 for me.
November 23rd, 2014 at 11:25 PM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 11:36 PM ^
Fortunately I'm at least old enough that even with Dantonio's dominance, your Spartans still have a ways to go.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:33 PM ^
I'm all in.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:36 PM ^
I'd pick Blue here on that line. Hoke's guys will play hard for him. I think it's close at halftime, and Ohio wins by 10 or 14.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:39 PM ^
This will be interesting...
Urban, unlike Tressel, will go out of his way to rub this in...he's going to take this opportunity to really make a statement for the ages. Its a toxic combination of a team geared towards scoring as many points as possible, a coach that is big on style points leading a team that needs those points to have a shot at a NC, playing at home infront of a rabid/nasty fanbase going up against a rival that has fallen way behind, has no identity or go-to performers and is mired in turmoil.
I'm not sure I can bear to watch...and I've never felt that way....
November 23rd, 2014 at 10:50 PM ^
All these things were true last year too and it came down to a 2 point conversion.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:42 PM ^
The defense will keep it respectable for a quarter or so, and then the offense, in its typical style, won't be able to get out of its own way. The penalties and turnovers will pile up, making easy points for OSU. The team won't quit on their coach, but at some point, they'll just have nothing left to give. Cheer up, folks. The Hoke era (hopefully) is almost over.
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November 23rd, 2014 at 6:56 PM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:57 PM ^
during the Maryland game when they mentioned Michigan's D is giving up like 2.9 per carry and was highly ranked nationally against the run...that OSU will gash them for like 350 on the ground. Throw in a long touchdown throw to Devin Smith (and possibly Marshall), along with 6-8 sacks...and it seems more and more like 45-10.
November 23rd, 2014 at 6:59 PM ^
I AM GROOT
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:07 PM ^
and our D is really not that good. i'm looking at an OSU 41 vs Michigan 6 final score.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:08 PM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:24 PM ^
with a focus on the upset wins by poor Michigan teams. I then pondered the disparity between the two teams and programs this year.
In the long history of the rivalry, you will not find any upset win by Michigan over OSU when the actual disparity between the teams is as large as it is now. There have been other Michigan teams with losing records that beat OSU, but in each case those Ohio State teams were struggling as well.
Some are going to say "1969," but consider Michigan's overall record and trajectory that season. After losing to MSU in October, Michigan was 3-2, but then Wolverines went on an absolute tear and won their next four games 35-9, 35-7, 57-0, and 51-6. That's where they were when they played Ohio State. To say that we're not playing at that level now is a sad understatement of gigantic proportions.
Others might mention '93, when we were unranked facing a 9-0-1 OSU team that was ranked #5. However, we were 6-4 going into the game and had guys like Ty Law, Derrick Alexander, Tyrone Wheatley, Todd Collins, Mercury Hayes, Jon Runyan, Trezelle Jenkins, Trevor Pryce, and Jarrett Irons on the team.
So Hoke and the team can have this as a goal: if they pull out a win in Columbus, I think it will be the biggest upset win—not in terms of hype, but in terms of actual team quality—in the history of the rivalry.
If you're interested in looking for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan%E2%80%93Ohio_State_football_rival…
I bet it will be something like 58-10; the only thing that will keep it much closer will be Buckeye turnovers. Which isn't encouraging since we're dead last in the conference in causing turnovers, with a grand total of 5 fumbles recovered and 5 interceptions made. Not surprisingly, we're also last in turnover margin at -14.
As the IU game showed, OSU isn't invulnerable defensively, and we've shown occasional signs of being able to run the ball a bit. OSU's got a pretty good DL, and since none of our receivers command double coverage and none of them aside from Butt can catch the goddamn ball with any real reliability anyhow, OSU can crowd the LOS to take away the run and force Devin to throw the ball more than we'd want. That's a recipe for disaster.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:26 PM ^
And, sadly, like all other goals set forth for team 135, this goal will almost certainly go unrealized.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:37 PM ^
I agree. I want to find solace in history, but it's just not there. Watching mediocre Michigan teams beat undefeated OSU squads three years out of four will always be one of the highlights of my fanhood, but this team simply isn't comparable to the ones who pulled off those upsets. Those were good teams that had either some bad luck or tough, competitive games that just plain didn't go their way.
1993 - lost by four at home to a Notre Dame team that finished the season ranked #2. Lost by ten in East Lansing to a .500 MSU team, but that's never an easy place to win no matter how bad State is. Wheatley fumbling a kickoff really helped that game to unravel. The Illinois loss at home, I'll grant, was terrible. But the week before, Michigan had gone into Happy Valley and beaten a Lions team that finished in the Top 10. The fourth loss was by three points, in Madison, to a surprise Badger team who played in the Rose Bowl and also finished in the Top 10.
1995 - six-point home loss to surprise B1G-champs Northwestern. Three-point loss in EL to Saban-coached bowl team. Ten-point loss to Top 15 Paterno squad, in a snow-filled Beaver Stadium. Lost Alamo Bowl by two to Texas A&M who also finished in the Top 15, and who were pretty much playing at home.
1996 - lost by a point in Evanston, Wildcats finished in Top 20. Six-point road loss to horrible Purdue was pretty indefensible. Lost by 12 at home to Penn State team who finished ranked #7. Lost by three in Outback Bowl to Alabama team who finished #11.
I just don't think you can compare this team's resume.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:47 PM ^
Not to mention that those '95 and '96 teams had a good number of players who made 1997 happen, most notably Mr. Woodson.
We have a bunch of guys who look good in padless summer footwork drills and instagram muscle pics.
November 24th, 2014 at 12:10 AM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:17 PM ^
November 24th, 2014 at 12:22 AM ^
I was thinking about the Marcus Hall ejection last year, Mr. sign language. I hope no one stoops to that.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:24 PM ^
A way-too-early look at the matchup from TeamRankings:
Offense
|
Michigan | Ohio St. |
Yards/Play | 5.2 | 6.7 |
Points/Play | 0.319 | 0.580 |
Rush Play % | 55.36% | 60.71% |
Pass Play % | 44.64% | 39.29% |
Completion % | 56.66% | 64.29% |
3D Conv % | 38.19% | 52.78% |
RZ Scoring % | 82.61% | 83.02% |
Defense
|
Michigan | Ohio St. |
Opp Yards/Play | 4.4 | 4.7 |
Opp Points/Play | 0.304 | 0.320 |
Opp Completion % | 59.56% | 55.07% |
Opp 3D Conv % | 36.97% | 36.71% |
Opp RZ Scoring % | 80.65% | 76.67% |
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:27 PM ^
a difference of 1.5 yds seems really small to me, but maybe it isn't statistically.
November 23rd, 2014 at 8:54 PM ^
The offense has been able to move the ball, just not consistently, and also turnovers. Drake Johnson finished with 6.7 yds carry against Maryland, but we couldn't turn that into points.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^
Defenses actually line up fairly well.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:28 PM ^
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:29 PM ^
I just guessed to my dad we'd be getting 3 touchdowns... so good job me I guess.
We just lost to Maryland but Indiana just gave OSU a run. I won't bet, but if I did I'd take the points. Our slow play calling and boring offense will lull OSU into a 27-9 snorer.
Am I the only one who's noticed how boring we are this year? Even if we were playing elite football it'd be annoying.
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:42 PM ^
I can see 27-9, but at halftime. If OSU can go up to EL and hang 49 on a vastly better MSU defense than what we've got, the idea that we'll hold them to 27 down in the snakepit strikes me as highly unlikely, especially given that our offense is also greatly inferior to MSU's.
Meyer knows that a 27-9 snorer will kill any chance of getting into the playoff, and his team will know it too.