Michigan's FB Weeks Ranked in the AP Top 10 since 1995
Since the beginning of 1995 the Michigan football team has been ranked in the AP Poll's top 10 for 124 weeks. Here is a breakdown by coach.
Lloyd Carr - 82 Weeks
Rich Rodriguez - 0 Weeks
Brady Hoke - 1 Week
Jim Harbaugh - 41 Weeks
So glad Michigan had Denard Robinson from 2009-2012. That was some wondering in the desert.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:34 PM ^
I'd rather wander in dessert
December 9th, 2021 at 4:49 PM ^
prove reeding is over8d
December 9th, 2021 at 11:43 PM ^
Can't you wonder and wander?
http://www.songlyrics.com/christmas-carols/i-wonder-as-i-wander-lyrics/
December 9th, 2021 at 4:34 PM ^
Wondering? Lloyd and Jim have had similar careers, with the exception of MSU/OSU feasting on our down years. I believe it’s possible Jim has better years ahead, too.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^
Jim has exactly half as many weeks in about half as many seasons (tough to count since we only played 6 games last year).
December 9th, 2021 at 4:53 PM ^
Very similar, except Lloyd was an ace against Top 10 teams (started 9-0, ended up 20-8, both incredible) while losing a lot of headscratchers to lesser- or unranked teams. Jim has mostly been the opposite, but is now hopefully rectifying the former. Lloyd also got to play against a couple of clown coaches at MSU and Cooper at OSU -- though in his defense he had a part in making both those schools a punchline.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:43 PM ^
i was watching an old episode of Emergency during my lunch today. they had a homeless character named John L. Smith. he was played by the guy that played Mr. Haney from Green Acres. i lol'd.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:39 PM ^
Definitely a lot of dry pondering for a few years
December 9th, 2021 at 4:44 PM ^
I'm wondering in the dessert!
December 9th, 2021 at 4:55 PM ^
I'm wondering if mom made meatloaf for dinner!
December 9th, 2021 at 4:46 PM ^
We did have a stuffed beaver on the sidelines and Josh Groban playing in the locker room during those RR years. Hard to believe that didn't lead to more wins.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:48 PM ^
When you put it that way, it's funny that there was ever belief in that guy. Gave me a chuckle.
December 9th, 2021 at 10:44 PM ^
Homegrown 5 star!?????
December 9th, 2021 at 4:47 PM ^
This is interesting. Thank you, OP.
This is actually a good measuring stick IMO. Michigan always seemed like a nationally relevant, competitive team under Carr, and JH seems to be setting a similar course.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:54 PM ^
I "Wonder" if (besides steak and whole milk) this might be Harbaugh's secret ingredient:
December 9th, 2021 at 5:22 PM ^
Both my wife and I remember that Wonder Bread helped in 12 ways. More importantly we could wad it up into a one inch in diameter ball that would fit in the palm....and you could smell the WB aromas driving downtown on The Lodge.
December 9th, 2021 at 4:56 PM ^
Carr was an always underrated coach because his teams always seemed to lay an egg at the strangest time. But he sure had a lot of huge wins and almost no "bad" years except at the very beginning when he struggled finding a QB and maybe the beginning of his last year.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:02 PM ^
Lest anyone think that popping Bponers originated with Brian, though, the complaints about Carr were endless. And when people noted that his 9.5 win per season record was actually first (second?) among active coaches with his longevity. . . the lamentations did not cease.
The thing is that another TEAM comes out and plays you every week of the college season, and they want to win the game, too.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:14 PM ^
I don't think anyone thinks Lloyd was anything less than a very good coach.
But it is valid criticism to look back at those teams, which were absolutely loaded with NFL talent at nearly every position, and say that Lloyd shouldn't have had so many baffling losses.
It's frankly amazing that we lost any games outside of top 10 teams.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^
Your comment goes to the heart of mine: some fans think that their team should win every game. It doesn't work that way. 9.5 wins a season is, was, and will always be really, really good. Especially if--during that same period--you were the most successful person in the country at your job!
December 9th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^
So anyone mildly disagrees with you = stupid?
OK.
December 10th, 2021 at 1:16 AM ^
I revised to make my response less contentious, but no--that wasn't what I said. My point is that some of the negativity we have experienced here regarding Harbaugh isn't quite so new as people suppose. Some of the same really undeserved ugly was lobbed at Lloyd Carr, too. Made all kinds of mistakes, like everyone alive, but that he succeeded at the highest level, the facts show, is indisputable.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:09 PM ^
if carr would have coached like he did his final game, throughout the decade of the 2000s, he likely would have won another national title.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^
Were you here during Carr's tenure? The constant consensus opinion was that we were "stuck" with an "underperforming" coach and we only won because we out-talented people.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:56 PM ^
Yes, I was. My dad worked with Bo, as the U's Director of Training. My whole immediate family and my grandfather went to Michigan. My sense of this thing goes back a little way. People complained bitterly about Bo, too. Revisionist history abounds. And fans like to complain. Not always with much sense of history or proportion.
And no--that wasn't the 'constant consensus opinion.' I lived in Ann Arbor, went to high school AND college there, and that wasn't the general feeling at all. Most fans were not nearly as absurdly wrapped up with their lives hanging by a thread on each win and loss, and things were far more relaxed then.* Criticism of Lloyd came toward the end, and was the opinion of a strain of shrill fans, not the general public. That criticism looks more and more off base as time wears on. As the OP, about M's time in the AP Top 10, amply demonstrates!
*M fans today get criticized for being such a wine and cheese bunch; the upside was mornings at the Washtenaw Dairy with everyone just happily looking forward to the games, a certain pride that didn't come and go with every win or loss.
December 9th, 2021 at 6:02 PM ^
Exactly.
The program tanking immediately upon Carr's retirement has changed the narrative somewhat, but I remember in the last few years that the game was simply passing that coaching staff by, and many people wondered if we were squandering championship level talent.
It was getting faster and more option/spread heavy, and we looked like dinosaurs in comparison. I remember that Oregon game where it looked like they were playing a different sport entirely. We had no chance.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:28 PM ^
I concur that the Lloyd narrative was mixed. There was griping, but not a consensus or anything. Plus, a significant chunk of that period was preoccupied with criticism for John Navarre, and after Lloyd gave Jermaine Gonzalez some snaps against OSU in 2001, people basically realized Navarre was the best option and criticized him pretty harshly for what he did with the job.
I do believe that Carr didn't effectively use all of his talent in the post-99 era. There was significant criticism of his unwillingness to adapt, and while it's true that Michigan didn't adapt to stuff, to some extent that was due to limitations on what the staff was capable of coaching. Michigan tried to adopt a spread punt formation in 2003 and was utterly incapable of running it (special teams arguably cost Michigan both the Oregon and Iowa games, which wise fans will recall were Michigan's only two regular season losses that year), so they went back to the traditional punt formation they knew. I recall Brian writing something about this: Michigan, I believe, didn't really pay staff well, and it hurt their ability to bring on the right guys during the Carr era and to some extent the RR era. When Hoke came in, Michigan finally started opening the wallet for the "right" coordinators.
You can't coach techniques that you don't know.
Michigan should have had more elite-level teams in the Carr era based on personnel. Ironically, the '97 team wasn't exceptionally gifted on offense relative to other Carr teams, but it didn't need to be. But at their best, Michigan could play with anyone, and often did. In an era where SEC crowing was already pretty loud, Lloyd Carr scored wins against Bama, Florida (twice!), Auburn, and Arkansas the year that they went to the national title game. And he beat some really good Ohio State teams.
December 10th, 2021 at 11:32 AM ^
These narratives settle into a certain kind of "truth" for a while, then it gets revised. Moeller was a hugely innovative, creative, and daring coach. Carr was certainly more phlegmatic.
But--again--perceptions are often inaccurate. We lost to FSU--huge milestone for Bobby Bowden--with Mo at the helm. There WAS a sense that the game was changing, and worry we might not be keeping up. Carr beat OSU and a lot of good teams, often with very dynamic game plans--he just weirdly went all gentleman Lloyd in the second half of games, turtling, when the team was out front.
But had we tried to adopt FSU's style, including on defense (where Bowden's teams were smaller and faster, sort of) we might have had RichRod-style disaster come sooner. This, some will remember, was where a lot of the cliches about southern team speed and brontosaurus Big Ten hogmollies really got concretized. Remind me, what are we prizing now? :) The cliches kinda just crumble when you look at them up close.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:57 PM ^
This is right, Michigan under Carr had a lot of inexplicable losses but would generally win the big games. The inexplicable included: '95 Mich St.; '96 Purdue & N'W; ''99 Illinois; '00 Purdue & N'W; '01 Mich St.; '02 Notre Dame; '03 Iowa; '04 Notre Dame; all '05 losses (seemingly); '07 Appalachian St. & Wisconsin.
The losses were almost always heartbreaking, and cost Michigan conference titles years where they were the best in the conference (in '99, '00, '01), and BCS bowl appearances in other years ('02, '05, '07). The general feeling was that in most years Michigan left wins on the table.
That is despite quite a number of big wins against superior Ohio State teams ('95, '96, and probably '03), as well as consistently big wins against top ten teams, especially Penn State.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:02 PM ^
Interesting, also here are the years each coach finished in the AP top 10:
2 for Harbaugh - #10 in 2016 and certain top 10 this year
0 for Hoke - Best was #12 in 2011
0 for Rich Rod - Never finished with a team in the top 25
5 for Carr - #1 in 1997, #5 in 1999, #9 in 2002, #6 in 2003 and #8 in 2006
December 9th, 2021 at 5:18 PM ^
Wait, we were only #12 in 2011?
How the hell did we get an invite to the Sugar Bowl ranked that low?
December 9th, 2021 at 5:38 PM ^
It was controversial, and I have to remember my late-BCS rules, but I think you had to be top-15 and lower teams could pass higher teams based on what the bowls wanted, so we ended up passing Sparty, and they were (justifiably) pissed about it. We also passed a bunch of SEC teams too (but nobody cared because that year the natty was LSU-Bama). Sparty played for the Big Ten 'ship and lost close and fell out of the top 15, we went to the Sugar Bowl and won in ridiculously lucky fashion against a #11 VT.
December 9th, 2021 at 8:56 PM ^
It was an ugly win and Denard didn't have a good game. But, obligatory love for Denard.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:51 PM ^
Because our fans travel and the bowl games are first and foremost money-making enterprises?
December 10th, 2021 at 1:08 AM ^
Because we're Michigan.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^
I know you're just talking about Michigan, but it's probably worth noting that JH also had a #4 finish at Stanford, a SB team with the 'niners, and even a few teams at San Diego at the top of their division. Dude has had a very successful coaching career.
Of course, RR also had a couple of top 10's and top of division finishes at WVa and Glenville, and Hoke's had some good seasons at SDSU.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:40 PM ^
RichRod also took Arizona to a NY6 bowl, which is pretty remarkable.
December 9th, 2021 at 6:30 PM ^
Carr also finished #10 in 2000 in the coaches poll; #11 in AP
Harbaugh finished #11/12 in 2015.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:07 PM ^
My wandering got my ass wondering...
December 9th, 2021 at 5:09 PM ^
I see those number of weeks Michigan is in the top ten escalating quickly from here.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:22 PM ^
Very interesting. Made me do a little research. Carr coached 162 games (.75 win pct) and Jim has coached 84 games (.73 win pct). Very similar records - and obviously Jim is on pace to nearly match Lloyd in terms of weeks in the top 10 of the AP poll.
December 9th, 2021 at 5:59 PM ^
Carr was great…until he wasn’t. He also inherited a damn good program from Bo/Mo.
Towards the end his program was pretty vanilla and I pulled out most my hair whenever they faces a mobile OB.
Great guy, very good coach.
December 9th, 2021 at 6:03 PM ^
perhaps JH is the anti-Carr? i.e. He wasn't so great, until he was. Inherited a no damn good program from Hoke/Rod.
December 9th, 2021 at 7:07 PM ^
Hoke did not leave the cupboard bare. It may not have been universal, but hoke left good talent sprinkled all around.
December 9th, 2021 at 8:44 PM ^
This makes me happy with a chaser of sadness.
December 9th, 2021 at 9:25 PM ^
These kind of stats, this is why my Jersey is number 4. It was dark, for a long time.
PS, it felt good to manhandle da bucks again.