MGoReading

Submitted by Schembo on March 6th, 2024 at 5:18 PM

Our household has done some cord cutting and streaming downsizing this past year, particularly after the football season ended. We've been doing a lot more reading since then.  I often read Horror, Fantasy and US History books.  Three that I have on my shelve to read our "Shadow of the Gods", "Dune" and "The Three Body Problem".  I'm excited about all three.  I think the The Three Body Problem got picked up by Netflix and I haven't read much Sci-Fi in my day.  I don't know much about Dune other than I drifted in and out of the movie when I was battling COVID and a high fever.

Anyone else been reading anything interesting?

Chuck Norris

March 6th, 2024 at 5:21 PM ^

Jason Kirk of The Shutdown Fullcast wrote a book called "Hell is a World Without You" about being raised evangelical. I haven't finished it yet but it's fantastic, both laugh-out-loud funny and so brutal that it made me cry. Highly recommend.

Baby Bark

March 7th, 2024 at 10:00 AM ^

I'm also reading it right now. If you ever listen to a Shutdown Fullcast episode when Jason gets a head of steam (I want to say "your college football team as Biblical characters" or the Warhammer episodes are good examples), the tone of the book matches that. It's such a rapid fire literary voice that I know I'm missing stuff as I read but I think it matches that teenage idea that everything has to happen now and you want resolution and justification that what your doing is correct. 

SalvatoreQuattro

March 6th, 2024 at 8:01 PM ^

I don’t know guy from Adam, but there is a real problem among left-leaning Westerners when it comes to addressing the dark side of Islamic history. All Al-Andalus and no Theft of Constantinople, mass enslavement of humans centuries before Columbus, or colonization of Spain.
 

A truism: In the absence of honest history the vaccuum is filled by crank histories.

Bluesince89

March 6th, 2024 at 8:31 PM ^

No issue with an honest discussion. My family is a minority religious group from the Middle East and left to escape persecution in the 1940s, so I can speak to some of what my parents and grandparents went through. Honest discussion - great. There's plenty of history of Arab colonialism throughout history that gets glossed over these days, especially in light of current world happenings. Ibrahim is not a real historian. He's just a bigot with an agenda trying to sell books and wade into culture wars. 

Mineral King

March 7th, 2024 at 7:15 PM ^

Chuck, Wait, Christians cant be heroes? 
In much of the world it is illegal to be a Christian. In Afghanistan people are beheaded on the spot if the Taliban finds a Bible app on ther phone or any Christian material. In Syria Christians are drowned in cages. In many parts of Africa, Christians are taken as slaves and/or killed. If someone who is a Christian stands up to that type of evil, are they not a hero? 

901 P

March 7th, 2024 at 4:57 PM ^

You wrote: "In the absence of honest history the vacuum is filled by crank histories." I took that to mean that you believe there is an absence of honest history on the topic. I think that was a reasonable interpretation on my part, even if now you are making a different point (that most people--yourself excepted--aren't exposed to those good histories). 

FrankMurphy

March 7th, 2024 at 12:42 AM ^

The counterpoint to that is that certain Western scholars on Islam have a tendency to view Islamic history through the lens of Western Civilization and its experience with certain hot-button issues and touchstone phenomena (i.e., slavery, colonialism, racism, etc). In so doing, they unwittingly carry baggage into their analyses that doesn't have any direct analog in Islamic history. For example, slavery as it was practiced in the Muslim World was very different from chattel slavery as it was practiced in the West. Similarly, although it's true that Muslim empires invaded countries just like their Western counterparts, applying the label "colonialism" (and all of its connotations) to the manner in which those countries were ruled is very misleading.

Some Western scholars who do this don't know any better. Others do know better but use these loaded terms as a rhetorical sleight of hand to evoke certain images in order to advance an agenda. 

trustBlue

March 6th, 2024 at 5:43 PM ^

Dune is an all time favorite. I'm waiting to see Part 2 on Imax this weekend, but none of the on-screen adaptations can really do the book proper justice.

I have also read Three Body Problem. The backdrop of it taking place during the Chinese Cultural Revoluton adds a lot of depth to what is otherwise a sort of very science-y alien sci-fi that poses some interesting existential questions.

97 Over Jimmys

March 7th, 2024 at 6:14 AM ^

I have never read "Dune" and have a genuine question about how that world works. How do the sandworms eat enough to sustain their massive bodies? Doesn't seem like there enough people or little mice and birds for their massive caloric needs. Is there a whole ecosystem of huge prey animals down in the sand with them? From watching the first "Dune" movie, I couldn't figure it out.

Grampy

March 7th, 2024 at 10:41 AM ^

I read 3-Body and found it substandard in terms of epic Sci-Fi.  It felt like there was tiptoeing around censorship issues and, as noted above, the resolution was ameteurist.  If you're interested in well crafted and imaginative Sci-Fi from a modern author, by far the best I've read in the last decade is by N. K. Jemisin.  Her Broken Earth Series won the Hugo Award 3 years running along with a Nebula award. 

901 P

March 6th, 2024 at 10:44 PM ^

I suppose the "media" distorts our understanding of the past, but that's sort of a distortion as well, isn't it? Our understanding of the past is definitely distorted--or maybe "subjective" is a better word. And there are countless reasons for this subjectivity. I'm not sure "the media" has much interest in making sure people know about Chicago and not about Peshtigo. The past is constantly being studied and reinterpreted. Why some topics are ignored or downplayed is important, but I think it's often much more complex than some monolithic "media" deciding what we know. 

SalvatoreQuattro

March 6th, 2024 at 11:04 PM ^

Except that we know that people like William Randolph Hearst have impacted profoundly how we view certain events and people.

Hearst created a false narrative around Titanic owner J. Bruce Ismay that persists to this day. That’s how powerful media can be. Distortions can last centuries.

jakerblue

March 6th, 2024 at 11:11 PM ^

It’s not even the media. Chicago was one of the fastest growing cities ever at that time. It was becoming known around the world. The aftermath of the fire affected so many many more people and the political and economic outcome of a major city. A city that had multiple major periodicals.

a lot of people died and a ton of timber was burnt up in the peshtigo fire but it wasn’t much more than a company town.

The media in Chicago at the time definitely had an impact in what happened to the recovery. In fact a decent amount of this book is about that especially with medill getting elected mayor in the immediate aftermath

You are just ignoring the context of both fires to knock the media in a disingenuous attempt to appear more independent minded.