META: A surrender in the battle for nice things

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November 11th, 2012 at 4:35 PM
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BiSB
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META: A surrender in the battle for nice things

As I posted in the "Y IZ U SO FASCIST I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA" thread, I have reached my braeking point, and have informed Brian that I will no longer be able to serve as a mod. And by that I mean, "I am able, but can't deal with humanity anymore."

I was planning to take a step back when my wife gives birth to our first in a few weeks, but I couldn't last that long. Most of you seem like great people who come here for the conversation and the community, and I have no beef with majority of you. But I couldn't deal one more day with the complaining, the immaturity, and the inability to just be reasonable. People's continued insistance on acting like children has sapped a lot of the enjoyment from this board for me. 

None of us mods enjoy being a babysitter. Nothing makes me happier than a bunch of insightful, rational discussions. But those are becoming rarer by the day; instead, the board has taken on a certain Drew Sharp-esque quality. And maybe part of it is my fault. I've been a rather involved figure around here, and lord knows I've got some rants under my belt.  But for whatever reason, things have taken an MLive turn, and I can't take it anymore.

I'm not asking any of you to change your internet ways, because it's no longer my problem. But I would say that you can only pee in the pool for so long before you're just peeing in an in-ground urinal. And this is a pretty nice place we have here, so please think twice before you drop trou.

I wish Brian, Ace, Heiko, Seth, and everyone else here nothing but the best, and I apologize to the remaining mods for leaving you in the lurch. I would also like to thank the majority of you who allowed me to survive three years in South Bend without losing my mind, and for the many conversations, jokes, and cats. I would also like to thank the cats, but I don't speak their language. 

/cool story bro

/TL;DR

They no longer call me Bisbiño

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November 11th, 2012 at 4:39 PM | Think about what this board (Score:5 Normal)
JBE
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Think about what this board would be like if we lost to Northwestern.

Sent From My Commodore 64

November 11th, 2012 at 4:44 PM | Probably not too different... (Score:5 Normal)
BlockM
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Probably not too different... whiners gonna whine. :)

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November 11th, 2012 at 4:41 PM | This is why we can't have... (Score:5 Normal)
antidaily
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This is why we can't have... oh. Ugh.

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November 11th, 2012 at 4:42 PM | NOOoooOOOooooooOO (Score:5 Normal)
Njia
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Hate to see you go and all, but, listen, since you're on the way out ...

Yesterday at 5 PM Mass, the priest told the story of how, during a World's Fair in the 1930s, it was possible to spend 25 cents to touch a pile of 1,000,000 one dollar bills. In the other thread, you offered to "go all Oprah on our asses", so in that spirit, please, please give me 1,000,000 points before you go, even if only briefly. I may never again get to touch that kind of useless greatness again.

But, in all seriousness, I've appreciated your levity most of all. Going to miss not having you to kick around anymore, Mr. Nixon.

All the best,

Njia

"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
November 11th, 2012 at 4:44 PM | King for a day (Score:5 Normal)
BiSB
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Treat yo' self.

They no longer call me Bisbiño

November 11th, 2012 at 4:46 PM | Many thanks (Score:5 Normal)
Njia
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And you might have wanted to save those for yourself. You've got another college tuition to think about now.

"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
November 11th, 2012 at 10:43 PM | Vacation (Score:1 Normal)
M - Flightsci
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I need one, plus its Veterans Day tomorrow, will you send me to Bolivia for the day?  I hear its nice this time of year.

Accelerate Your Life
FLY NAVY

November 11th, 2012 at 4:42 PM | Sorry to see you go BISB and (Score:5 Normal)
Lutha
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Sorry to see you go BISB and good luck with the baby.

November 11th, 2012 at 4:43 PM | I find this position (Score:5 Normal)
BlockM
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I find this position UNACCEPTABLE! I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT!

Seriously though, enjoy retirement. 

I'm not sure what can be done about message boards in general. There's a pretty fine line between bringing up criticisms and bitching unnecessarily, and everyone has a different idea of where it is. That means every time there's a legitimate critique, the thread gets clogged up with people telling them to STFU, and whining posts just serve to clog the board up.

I honestly think that bringing back post voting that means something and higher thresholds to create posts would go a long way, but who knows.

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November 11th, 2012 at 4:48 PM | Self-policing (Score:5 Normal)
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Agree on the actual downvoting.  I feel like there were just as many silly posts in the old days, but people who did it perpetually eventually left and/or were easier to spot.  A simple -1 may not have been enough to get rid of em0 or others who were way worse than this knucklehead today.  This also puts more pressure on the mods to delete threads and be the bad guy.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

November 11th, 2012 at 5:02 PM | I do like the idea in the (Score:4 Normal)
MilkSteak
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I do like the idea in the sense that it gives users more control, but don't you think it will lead to the mob mentality? We all know which opinions are popular here and which ones are not, but that doesn't necessarily promote a discussion. It seems like reasonable posts which disagree with the majority will be downvoted not because they are objectively bad posts, but because people don't agree with them. 

For example - the thread that sparked this was stupid (bringing up RichRod, calling for Borges' head, the general grammatical errors) and got downvoted to hell. But would a reasonable thread phrased more in the tone of, "Do you think Hoke/Borges did the right thing by..." get downvoted as well?

"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."

 

November 11th, 2012 at 5:19 PM | As someone with plenty of unpopular opinions (Score:5 Normal)
PurpleStuff
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I don't think it was ever that much of a problem.  Even the thread today ended up being a clusterfuck because it got deleted and then the guy came right back and posted an even bitchier version that blamed the mods for Russell Bellomy's lack of accuracy (I think that was the gist of it).  If his point total just rapidly dwindled below the posting minimum that would have been the end of it without any need for mod intervention.

There will always be overreaction one way or the other and even established posters can be prone to rants, but I think people who are consistently informed and reasonable will never get the kind of massive point drops that cause problems or prevent posting.  It also maybe encourages more lingering and reputation building than just allowing people to make 100 innocuous posts and then start douching it up with abandon.  The harsh public refutation of trolling also serves as the head on a stick at the MGoBlog gates and, at least based on my remembered version of the past, was fairly effective at removing long-term problems.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

November 11th, 2012 at 5:29 PM | Good point. I wasn't around (Score:5 Normal)
MilkSteak
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Good point. I wasn't around for the old points system so I don't know the dynamics of it, just the rules. I really like the idea that 1 post doesn't automatically equal one point. 

Maybe we go another route and instead of getting everyone riled up by docking their points, we set up a separate MGoBlog where terrible posters are automatically redirected to for the rest of eternity after making a god awful post. It could be like Australia is to Britain. Maybe they'd even develop funny accents!

"I'm the guy who does his job. You must be the other guy."

 

November 12th, 2012 at 1:50 AM | One problem with the old (Score:1 Normal)
TSS
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One problem with the old system was that it created a lot of silly point driven content and meta activity that didn't have much to do with Michigan sports.

I like the karma model. Mods could lessen their lode by upping karma where sportminded comments are given. Points were an interesting model. Massive meltdowns need to have consequences that don't require a mods intervention.

I can't imagine moderation in the same house as a new born.

November 12th, 2012 at 8:20 AM | One exception (Score:3 Normal)
Njia
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The "I'm just here for the posbang" threads were fun, unless you were an hour late to the party and everyone was already lying on the shag carpet.

"If life is the road, then Ohio is simply a place to stop for gas." -- Scott Burgess, Detroit News, 9/16/2010
November 11th, 2012 at 5:54 PM | I wl miss bisb but (Score:5 Normal)
mGrowOld
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I wl miss bisb but Purplestuff is 100% on the money. With actual down voting in place WE could police the joint pretty damn effectively. It's the lack of punitive power for the blog as a whole that created your need to intervene constantly with asshats like today.

Hate to say it but this is in Brian more than some idiot posters.

 

 

November 11th, 2012 at 10:55 PM | Hear hear. (Score:0 Overrated)
November 12th, 2012 at 2:22 AM | Another idea would be to put (Score:3 Normal)
TheLastHoke
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Another idea would be to put a cap on upvotes (say, 5), but not on downvotes. That would limit the number of circle-jerk type comments that were made under the old system for the purpose of farming points, while allowing users to ruthlessly downvote the em0's of the world into Bolivian.

It would take a lot of pressure off of the mods, because any jack off who spam posts just to get to the point where they can post shitty threads would be dealt with quickly and efficiently by the community. Mods could then focus on more important mod-things, rather than having to police every mgoidiot with a half baked opinion and 100 points.

HOKEAMANIA RUNNIN' WILD

Formerly, TheLastProphet

November 11th, 2012 at 5:47 PM | Agree (Score:5 Normal)
johnvand
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Agree, bring back old voting system.  I wonder if things were easier to moderate "back in those days?"

November 11th, 2012 at 6:24 PM | I'm pretty sure Brian said (Score:3 Normal)
Rmilkman
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I'm pretty sure Brian said that after the football season is over he's going to work on bringing back the old points system. I may be wrong though. And it is sad to see BiSB go. I have a ton of respect for your work that you've done, and I know I wouldn't have lasted as long as you did. Enjoy your retirement.

"I'm Harmon Tedesco, best goddamn placekicker in the whole continental world."

November 11th, 2012 at 7:54 PM | I really hope the old point (Score:3 Normal)
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I really hope the old point system is coming back! Even though I got negged once really good and I learned my lesson about saying stupid things.

BiSB, you have always made me laugh and I wish you happiness on all your future endeavors.I hope to see you posting here. Congrats and enjoy your time with WiSB and Soon-to-be BabyinSouthBend.

I don't know who's hair is better, John Stamos circa Full House or Denard

GO BLUE

November 11th, 2012 at 8:48 PM | yes, the old points system (Score:5 Normal)
Brian
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yes, the old points system will return after football season. 

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November 11th, 2012 at 10:59 PM | Now you know you have (Score:5 Normal)
trueblueintexas
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Now you know you have arrived. The people have spoken and the leader must appease the masses. Congrat's on becoming czar of the Internet.

"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow

November 11th, 2012 at 11:23 PM | yo brian i saw you at the (Score:1)
UM2018
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yo brian i saw you at the game rockin the 20 jersey

-UM class of 2018 

November 12th, 2012 at 12:52 AM | OH PRAISE JESUS (Score:3 Normal)
Wenham Wolverine
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OH PRAISE JESUS

November 11th, 2012 at 4:44 PM | BISB (Score:5 Normal)
umich_fan1
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Thank you for your service to our community

To honor you, here is a pic of a just married cow.

 

November 11th, 2012 at 4:46 PM | Hope to still see you around, BiSB. (Score:4 Normal)
justingoblue
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You might be the most consistantly funny poster on the site, and seem like good peope generally.

Also, thanks to you and your work moderating, as well as Seth, Ace, Heiko, profitgoblue and Zone Left. Sorry if I've ever made your time here more difficult than it needed to be.

Go Blue!

November 11th, 2012 at 4:48 PM | You IRL (Score:0 Normal)
November 11th, 2012 at 4:49 PM | Um, okay? (Score:5 Normal)
justingoblue
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I have no desire to become a mod or to be an "internet superstar", but thanks for the reply anyway, I guess.

Go Blue!

November 11th, 2012 at 5:06 PM | Even if justingoblue wanted (Score:5 Normal)
mejunglechop
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Even if justingoblue wanted to become a mod, so what? He's a responsible and active user.

Galileo was also chastised.

November 11th, 2012 at 5:44 PM | Any more than one post on (Score:-1 Flamebait)
November 11th, 2012 at 6:02 PM | I like JGB. He's a good guy, posts in a reasonable manner, (Score:5 Normal)
hart20
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And is on here and posting just as much as me, so if you don't like him because of that, I hope that you don't like me either. It's not even worth it, discussing your seemingly draconian views of autism.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

November 12th, 2012 at 2:08 AM | Bluejustingo seems like a (Score:2 Flamebait)
MGoViso
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Bluejustingo seems like a pretty cool guy. eh posts a lot and doesn't afraid of anything

November 11th, 2012 at 6:18 PM | Really?  A guy posting 20+ (Score:5 Normal)
a2_electricboogaloo
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Really?  A guy posting 20+ times a day on MGoBlog is "suffocating you"?  Dude, you need thicker skin or something.

He definitely is a frequent posters, but he also is a generally good poster and a good guy, who has good things to say and adds things the discussion.  Unlike another who act like a 7 year olds, whining about worthless things, and negging everything.

Jesus, dude, grow up.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

November 11th, 2012 at 6:23 PM | A lot of people post/comment (Score:5 Normal)
MastaDon
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A lot of people post/comment almost exclusively about hockey, myself included. Generally they (not myself) have a very high hockey IQ, and this is one of the top 4 or 5 hockey schools in the country.

I don't understand how that devalues them as an MGoUser just because they happen to like/care about a sport that is not football.

BORK BORK BORK

November 11th, 2012 at 6:48 PM | What is the point of this (Score:5 Normal)
B-Nut-GoBlue
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What is the point of this attack?!  It is an attack, and it's a bit of a personal one too.  Why?  You are entitled to an opinion, of course, but how does one garner this opinion about someone he doesn't even know?

All of what you just stated equates to you being on here just as often.  It was a bit of a stalker-ish rant.

November 11th, 2012 at 6:52 PM | Not to mention an incredibly (Score:5 Normal)
a2_electricboogaloo
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Not to mention an incredibly douchey rant.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

November 11th, 2012 at 6:57 PM | I could not disagree with you (Score:5 Normal)
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I could not disagree with you more.  I respect the Hell out of what JGB has to say and he seldom does anything to inflame an ongoing discussion.  He actually seems like someone who doesnt want the limelight as he limits his responses to referenced facts and his opinions.

The fact that I have no clue of who you are and anything you've ever said or done speaks volumes about your contribution to this board and the fact that you chose BiSB's farewell post to take a shot at someone else speaks even louder about the kind of person you are.

 

 

November 11th, 2012 at 8:23 PM | suffocation huh... step away (Score:4 Normal)
MgoJohnStamos
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suffocation huh... step away from the computer and go take a break outside once a day. Seriously, if something that is purely for pleasure is sufficating you, get a new hobby.

I don't know who's hair is better, John Stamos circa Full House or Denard

GO BLUE

November 11th, 2012 at 11:42 PM | Dude, I mean, what's more sad (Score:4 Normal)
M-Wolverine
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The guy who posts first all those times...or the guy who stalks him to find this out then negs all those post?

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

November 11th, 2012 at 9:07 PM | this kind of gratiutious (Score:5 Normal)
Brian
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this kind of gratiutious meanness is the problem. bolivia. 

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November 11th, 2012 at 4:44 PM | My initial reaction is: quit (Score:5 Normal)
ReadYourGuard
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My initial reaction is: quit being a pansy

My second reaction is: why do we need a post about why you can't handle it anymore?

My third reaction is: this isn't a giant urinal. It's still the premier site to get In-depth info on Michigan athletics and I don't appreciate you disparaging it with your remarks

My fourth reaction is: why do I care enough to respond? I enjoy reading your posts and consider you an intelligent contributor

Finally: See ya.

"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
November 11th, 2012 at 8:36 PM | NM Apparently the post I was (Score:2 Normal)
ReadYourGuard
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NM
Apparently the post I was responding on the mobile site was deleted.

"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
November 11th, 2012 at 5:02 PM | This right here is why (Score:-1 Flamebait)
November 11th, 2012 at 5:17 PM | The pharoahs (Score:4 Normal)
tasnyder01
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used to say how nice things were in "the good old days" too. 

"I enjoy this board" and other caveats apply, but it IS funny that people say "we can't have discussions anymore, because people are stupid." and then turn around and say "we're the smartest board online." 

or, "we don't like the MLive stuff because too many people complain" and then complain about "other stupid people on this board"

or, "We don't like multiplicity in the comments" and then laud Heiko and Brian for constantly pressing the "Borges, use the screen" meme. 

 

Get a sense of humor. People are hypocrites, so don't get mad, just laugh.  You can't change stupid people any more than the Pharoahs could.

November 11th, 2012 at 5:32 PM | Quite honestly, MGoBlog during the summer is the best. (Score:5 Normal)
hart20
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During that time, the people who stick around and post are generally the more enjoyable posters and intelligent discourse is much more prevalent than at these times. Additionally, I feel as if the quality of posts and the temperament of the board is much worse than during the last season, although they may have to with the 3 losses, more than anything. Quality posts are less common and it seems as if people are getting into ridiculous arguments at a much higher rate, filled with a lot more anger than necessary. People don't attack opposing arguments anymore, but instead they attack the person. Nonsensical behavior is just at a high point right now and it gets pretty annoying.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

November 11th, 2012 at 8:24 PM | Sounds very similar to Ann (Score:2 Interesting)
MGoSteelers
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Sounds very similar to Ann Arbor during the school year vs. Ann Arbor in the summer

November 11th, 2012 at 8:31 PM | That's funny. You got banned (Score:2 Normal)
ReadYourGuard
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That's funny. You got banned cuz you went overboard. Now your back with a new identity, scolding me by going a little overboard. Deep breaths man. Deep breaths.

"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
November 11th, 2012 at 4:46 PM | Thanks, BiSB (Score:4 Normal)
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Thanks for your dedication and serious time commitment to the blog. And congrats on the future addition to your family.

"I recently heard from fans and friends that Michigan will be great again one day.   In my opinion, Michigan never stopped being great."  --Zac Ciullo

November 11th, 2012 at 4:46 PM | Long Live BiSB (Score:2 Normal)
Lucky Socks
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I hope that you become a martyr in the good fight for rational discussions.  Your exit can help shed light on the immaturity so many of us exhibit.  

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