MBB yellin' thread

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on

Refs were hot garbage as expected but the refs didn't give up 86 points to stinky Iowa who is starting one player who is NOT a freshman.

This is a bad loss. 

I don't understand it at all. Everyone is healthy, including multiple, living and breathing senior starters for the first time since 2012.

I like Beilein a lot but I'm starting to have some doubts now. Was 2012-2014 just a perfect storm? 

 

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George Pickett

January 1st, 2017 at 4:36 PM ^

I was really suprised to see an experienced Michigan team collapse late on the road against a much younger, far less talented team.  That never happens.

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HarbaughorBust

January 2nd, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^

Our backups are not going to be better than Irvin or Walton next year.  JB's lack of recruiting top end talent will be felt for at least another 2 years. 

Please retire JB.  You peaked.  Thank you for peaking at Michigan.  You dug us out of a major hole.  We would appreciate it if you did not put us back in that hole.

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FauxMo

January 1st, 2017 at 4:50 PM ^

^^^This times infinity.^^^ I told my son, "don't get your hopes up in overtime. We're gonna lose to a team we shouldn't lose to. Watch" 

I like Beilein the person. I think he brought the program back, did a whole lot of winning for a few years, and sure seems to do things "the right way." But I just don't get the sense that he's got another 2012-2014 miracle in him. I am 0% excited about Michigan basketball, and have pretty much completely tuned it out (slowly) since we lost to that team that provides all its recruits 100 hookers a few years back... 

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Mgodiscgolfer

January 2nd, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^

They can't lose to UM no matter what the team or scenario. They have had referees take TD's away from UM and playing their Basketball team in their building is like playing in East Germany 30 years ago in the Olympics. Forget about it you are going to lose one way or another. 

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Bambi

January 1st, 2017 at 4:39 PM ^

I don't know whether it's a player development thing or talent evaluation thing but the incompetence of our freshman is astounding.

Simpson is incapable of doing anything offensively. Defensively he's fine but when we have the ball the opposing team doesn't even need to guard him.

Ibi Watson has now apparently been passed by walk-on Sean Lonergan.

Both of these guys were top 250 recruits nationally. Compare this to Iowa who has Jordan Bohannon, a true freshman who was barely a top 300 player nationally, making clutch shots in OT to win it.

Walton and Irvin both stunk it up today and deserve a heavy part of the blame. But if we had any wing depth and could go more than 7 deep as a team we win this game. And that failure is either on the coaches, freshman themselves, or both.

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jmblue

January 1st, 2017 at 4:40 PM ^

It felt like we were pulling away in the second half and then bam, four fouls in 30 seconds, all marginal.  And then Wagner gets hit with his 4th personal for the crime of grabbing an offensive rebound.

Yes, officiating is a tough job, etc, etc.

 

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Stringer Bell

January 1st, 2017 at 4:41 PM ^

Imagine how badly we would've lost if not for DJ Wilson's career game?

 

The basketball program is just stale.  This is a middling Big Ten team that will be a 8 or 9 seed at best, maybe win a game in the tournament before getting blown out by a vastly superior team.

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bluebyyou

January 1st, 2017 at 4:42 PM ^

Warde has some serious work to do in two of our programs.  Hockey is obvious, but it does seem that Beilein had one good class and that may well be the end of it.  Great guy but...

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Wolverine Devotee

January 1st, 2017 at 4:45 PM ^

I'm not holding my breath.

He kept Chaka Daley, the men's soccer coach, after yet another horrid season where players left. Double digit losses, soccer alums hate his guts for not reaching out to them, win total going down each year. And he gets a 6th year.

Warde has been a massive disappointment. Massive.

Hackett should've been offered double what he made to stay on.



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bluebyyou

January 1st, 2017 at 4:52 PM ^

You have to give Warde some time.  He will have to do something with basketball because poor attendance equates to reduced revenue in a sport that can generate significant money for the athletic department.  This is the year to replace Red...it can't be prolonged.  Beiein may get this year and next, but probably not much more than that.

Hackett, I would guess, has enough wealth that paying him more wouldn't have made a difference.  Sometimes free time means more than money, and I suspect that was the case with Hackett.

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Wolverine Devotee

January 1st, 2017 at 5:54 PM ^

We are Michigan. 

We care about all of our sports and want to win championships in all of them. 

DB single-handedly burned down everything that was built in the program's short history. Fired Coach Burns a year after a Final Four in the 11th season in team history.

 

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Mr. Yost

January 1st, 2017 at 4:42 PM ^

Ouch.

I think this team will be addition by subtraction next year if we can recruit well enough.

In a lot of other ways, teams may have just caught up to Beilein.

I love the guy though, he'll always have my support. I'm not sure how you find that ace assistant recruiter who doesn't cheat without being a blue blood program. I'm kind of baffled when it comes to Michigan MBB.

I don't want us to be a dirty program, I love Beilein...part of me thinks you can't win if you don't cheat, but then I see examples of programs that figure it out. How is Gonzaga figured it out? Same with St. Mary's. What is Butler doing that we're not?

UVA? How are they so damn good? 

We're missing something outside of just the talent. I don't expect Michigan to be the historically great programs - but we should be able to do what those schools I just mentioned are doing.

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ChalmersE

January 1st, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^

I note that all the schools you listed are schools either without a football program or programs where no one cares about football. Every recruit thinking about Michigan has to be aware that in most years, the program is going to play second fiddle to the program next door. If I had my pick of programs, I'd lean to the program where basketball is the big sport on campus.

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Mr. Yost

January 1st, 2017 at 7:03 PM ^

That's bullshit, those teams are great teams...conference has nothing to do with it.

Kentucky plays basketball in the SEC. Doesn't mean they're not good at basketball.

You can be a good team in a bad conference. Michigan would still be a very average team in their conferences - we'd get smoked anytime we played someone with a pulse. Those schools can hold their own with anyone in the country.

Virginia plays basketball in the ACC, but you knew that.

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wahooverine

January 2nd, 2017 at 1:47 AM ^

UVA basketball is what Michigan basketball should aspire to be.  The schools are comparable academically and complete in top power conferences athletically.  UVA is good because they compete in the ACC, have elite facilties, and hired one of the best coaches in the game.  Tony Bennett recruits well and his players develop over a number of years.

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