Maybe OT (or a Diary?): 5* QBs Transferring

Submitted by FauxMo on September 27th, 2018 at 9:45 AM

So yesterday while driving, I was listening to Valenti (I know, he's awful, etc.). Anyway, he mentions a stat that someone else had mentioned earlier in the program (I don't know who), but it was in the context of all the high-profile transfers in CFB of late. The stat was that five of the last nine 5* QBs to come out had transferred from their original school. Not fully trusting the source or even knowing the source of this claim, I went and looked at 247 (I looked at their top 100, not the composite, because it was easier). Turns out it is even worse than that if you go back a little further; I looked at 2010 to 2017, and the results are below:

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So going back to 2010 (and excluding 2018, which seems reasonable), and 10 of 16 (or 62.5%) of 5* QBs have ended up transferring. A couple transferred more than once. Most transferred because they got beat out, plain and simple. Pretty amazing, if you ask me. Basically, getting a 5* QB gives you a less than 50-50 shot to keep that player. Lots of take-aways from this, I imagine, but for me it reinforces what I've learned following recruiting heavily the last 20 years: Don't get too worked-up about what 18 years olds are doing vis-a-vis college decisions. 

rc15

September 27th, 2018 at 9:51 AM ^

Not really surprising in my mind. Being a 5* QB means you have the tools to make it to the NFL. If you get put on the depth chart behind another potential NFL QB, why wouldn't you transfer to somewhere else you get the chance to play?

Maybe you're a 3rd rd QB talent and get put behind a 1st rd QB talent. Should you settle with being a backup for the rest of your career and not end up being drafted? Or should you transfer to another place you can play and show you're a 3rd rd QB talent?

MichiganG

September 27th, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^

Agree.  Generally, when you look at the chart you see that the QBs who performed best in college didn't transfer and the ones who got passed on the depth chart did.  The exception seems to be Shea, who transferred under different circumstances.

So the moral of this story isn't '5-stars highly likely to transfer' like the OP is suggesting, but rather '5-stars who don't perform at the 5-star level will transfer for playing time.'

goblue16

September 27th, 2018 at 9:59 AM ^

True but typically they transfer because they are better then sitting on the bench. This reinforces the fact that you need to keep recruiting top level talent. You failed to mention the competition for these qbs. It’s not like they lost their jobs to walk-ons. With that said I think the whole transfer thing is good because it gives smaller schools a chance at a player they would never dream of getting. South Florida might end up going undefeated with Barnett who is putting up great numbers for them. I feel like this rule will only apply to qbs so it won’t be too big an impact on the sport

befuggled

September 27th, 2018 at 10:09 AM ^

This might be more of an indication that a five star recruit will transfer if they're not getting playing time. Five star recruits know they're good. They know they could (and probably should) be playing somewhere. So it's not a surprise that they transfer sometimes.

Why would quarterbacks be more effected, though? It's harder to get a backup quarterback meaningful snaps than it is most other positions (offensive line being the obvious exception).

For instance, you can rotate in a freshman at running back, wide receiver, tight end and pretty much anywhere on the defense without causing any problems beyond those cause by lack of experience. Platooning quarterbacks, on the other hand, is done much more rarely. So the only time a five star backup is going to see the field is most likely during blowout wins. 

(I am assuming that quarterbacks are more likely to transfer; I suspect that's the case, but OP only has numbers for quarterbacks.)

LKLIII

September 27th, 2018 at 3:58 PM ^

I agree, and I wouldn hesitate to even put the OL caveat there.

 

At least in the OL situation there are at minimum 2 slots (if a guy is an OT only) and even up to 5 slots if they are a versatile tweener type available to them each season. Not to mention a higher chance of one of the starters getting injured. 

So unless a guy is:

 

1. The definite 6th or 7th OL; AND

 

2. At a program that is known for producing a top rated OL (Wisconsin, Alabama) such that it’s plausible that the #6 or #7 OL is still NFL caliber; AND

 

3.  It’s  late in his career; AND/OR

 

4. His team’s OL is incredibly robust health wise (although who can predict the future)....

 

You’d think an OL who is in the top 6-8 would stick around and hope injury or graduation opens up a slot for him rather than transfer merely for playing time. 

 

Maybe he grad transfers to get playing time at a lesser school just for fun or to get a free gear of graduate coursework.

But if the guy knows deep down he isn’t NFL material, I don’t see how most OL players would be willing to uproot his life (friends, girlfriend, etc) to do a regular transfer just for playing time at a (likely lesser) football program. 

To put a finer point on it: it’s why we see viable QBs on the grad transfer market (Rudock) frequently, but almost never see grad transfer OLs that would ever transfer into a major program like Michigan. 

TheBlueAbides

September 27th, 2018 at 11:00 AM ^

I was just looking for a similar chart to prove a point about how crazy transfers are getting, specially with the QB position. I can’t blame the players but it is very interesting. I looked back 5 years and just in that small sample a lot of top 50 4* types are also high transfer rates. Thanks for the chart 

Tools Of Ignorance

September 27th, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^

I'm not one to begrudge or besmirch an individual for attempting to better their situation, but doesn't this speak more loudly to the generation of "instant results?"

If you are a 5*, and consider yourself better than other individuals at your position, wouldn't that motivate you to work harder and prove yourself?

Shea is the only one on that list that took a chance with an equal, or better, program. There is still something to be said about dedication and hard work.

True Blue Grit

September 27th, 2018 at 11:55 AM ^

Yes, clearly expectations have something to do with many of the transfers.  If a kid has been told he's a 5* QB with NFL potential for several years, maybe he starts to believe it.  So, sitting on the bench with a clipboard and headset isn't what he feels he signed up for.  Of course the reality is, as you've pointed out, talent only takes you so far.  IMO, for a QB, other attributes such as leadership, toughness, hard work, and intelligence matter a lot more.  Some of these guys have these attributes, but many don't.  

Procumbo

September 27th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^

I think it speaks to the increasing professionalization of college football. It's not just some kids showing up and tossing the pigskin around. If you're a 5*, you've already spent your high school (and maybe middle school or even earlier) years working harder on football than most people work on anything, and you're regarded as one of the most promising prospects in the country. The goal of the game is to make it to the NFL, and it's a very high stakes game. Evidently more and more guys think that starting for a worse team gives them a better chance at winning that game than riding the bench for a better team. At the end of the day it's a business decision.

Ali G Bomaye

September 27th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^

Great research, but I think that your analysis that "getting a 5* QB gives you less than a 50-50 shot to keep that player" is wrong.

Virtually every one of the guys on this list who transferred were beaten out at their first school. I think Kyler Murray and Shea Patterson are the only guys on this list who were successful starters at their first school and still transferred. I think the conclusion from this research should be that 5* QBs only pan out about half the time, and if they don't, the players are still talented enough that they'll transfer to get another shot at playing time.

crom80

September 27th, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^

so is it gonna be like CBB where you don't want a one-and-done player, but high-enough-potential/low-enough-to-stay talent player so you can mold them for a year and two?

 

also i think there should be a follow-up examination to how the transfer player did at the end. maybe the 5 star didn't live up to his potential or was miss-scouted.

ldevon1

September 27th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^

Shouldn't we take into consideration why they are transferring, and is getting beat out really saying anything bad?  If you are Alabama and the last 4 of the last 5 QB's you get are 5 star, getting beat out isn't really saying much. If you are good enough to start somewhere else, why would you sit 3 or 4 yrs behind a guy that might be a little bit better, or who is a little better fit because they changed their offensive play style because they have a new coordinator? Shea left because of sanctions. Georgia might have to deal with Justin Fields or Jake Fromm next year. Being a year apart creates issues. I don't think it's a big deal, especially with coaches willing to play freshman QB's. 

brad

September 28th, 2018 at 7:41 AM ^

That list seems to make the point that projecting who will be an elite QB, college or pro, is about as difficult as it is for O Linemen.  I'm surprised to see that but the facts speak for themselves. 

BlueMk1690

September 28th, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^

If you're a 5 star QB who's probably been told all through high school that you're gonna be in the NFL, that you're gonna be the next Peyton Manning and so forth...the reality that you may simply not develop into such a player is a particularly difficult pill to swallow. Transferring for those guys basically represents hope.

It also is kind of a return of the recruiting vibe. We've seen players say over the years that once you go from being a recruit to being a player on the roster the attitude from everyone toward you changes - especially if you're not an important starter. Once your coaches have basically put you into the 'backup' drawer, it might feel a bit colder, the attention you get will decline dramatically. If you look to transfer..those other schools who covet your services will once again treat you like royalty.

Transfers often, maybe more often than not, don't work out for the kid. In other words, the problem wasn't 'getting stuck behind so and so' but simply that they struggle to even become a good college QB never mind a QB in the NFL. I'm sure in some cases it would have been more beneficial to work harder on what's holding them back rather than to go somewhere else, perhaps expecting that they'll get what they're entitled to there.