So the maryland sports board I read has been chirping about talks between Maryland the big ten. Anybody hear about any of these rumors from the big side? Since minnesota isn't beating nebraska i figured I could ask.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
Lock this thread right now. That's the perfect comment.
I thought that tweet was a robdelany-esque joke when I first saw it.
We already have enough FBS bottom feeders in this damn conference (looking at you, GopherQuest), we should be focused on regaining top tier standing with the ESS EEE SEE and PAC8-10-12 instead of adding to the misery that will be PSU for the next decade.
EDIT: I would also like to take the time to remind everyone that NO ONE in the state of New York cares about Rutgers. The TV market is consumed by the Jets, Giants, Bills, Knicks, Nets, Yankees, Mets, Devils, Islanders, and Rangers. There are more Michigan fans than Rutgers fans in New York.
I agree, but you can take the Bills, Devils, and Islanders out of that conversation. Nobody cares about those three in metropolitan New York which is the market the B1G is trying to reach. On the other hand, while this is a terrible idea it would be nice to have Michigan play in Jersey every few years so I could more easily see them live.
Yahoo’s Dan Wetzel has a story that Delaney is in concentrated talks with them today. Summating: money in the form of cable viewers is all they bring to the table.
Delaney has said repeatedly for years that he would like to expand the B1G into areas of the country that are growing demographically. This does that.
Markusr2007. I'm writing that down under Upvotes 4 life, lol
please no, no more expansion, we have the right number now
that would be a turrible fit
From a financial standpoint, they bring ALOT to the table.
New Jersey and Maryland has a combined population of 15 million, and are two of the richest states in the nation. They have fertile recruiting grounds, and have very good academic credentials. Maryland alone has valuable ties to D.C., and research expenditures.
Since they're the dominant in state school with no other competition, the minute they join, they would most likely bring more to the table in terms of money than Northwestern, Indiana, Iowa, Purdue, Michigan State, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. They would also bring two states rich in football talent only behind Ohio. Pennslyvania, Illinois, and Michigan, not to mention GREAT basketball talent.
Football wise, yeah lackluster, but long term they have all the prerequisites to be a good program. They just didn't have something like the Big Ten Network that could properly monetize that potential.
What is the basis for this idea that by adding new school X we somehow automatically turn every location from Ohio to new school X into Big Ten fan territory. If we add Central Florida, I think it would make zero difference in the ability of B1G schools to recruit Florida. Adding Rutgers wasn't going to allow the B1G to "capture" the NYC market because no one there cares about Rutgers.
Does anyone in the mid-atlantic care about Maryland athletics? (that's a serious question, i just don't know)
The beltway area cares about Maryland...Rutgers and the NYC market I'm unsure of
Even with the tire fire I'd be willing to make a small wager there are more PSU fans in Maryland than Terp fans. PSU also has a very strong following in NJ.
I don't think Rutgers or Maryland bring anything to the Big Ten.
If the Big Ten wants to Poach an ACC school it should be Va Tech
VA Tech has bad academics and don't even bring their entire state. Not to mention the Virginia legislature won't let them leave.
Tech does not have bad academics. And as far as football goes, they dominate the state the way Michigan dominates Michigan- anyone who doesn't have an allegience by virtue of actually having gone to one of those schools roots for Tech. Maryland doesn't bring "its own house" because they play second fiddle to the Ravens...and always will. At least Tech doesn't have to compete with that.
Tech has much worst academics compared to Virginia. Basically they're the MSU to Virginias Michigan, only with a longer win streak.
They're one Beamer retire and bad hire away from being relegated to obscurity. No need for the B1G to invite them and take that risk, since again they don't even carry their own state.
UVA would be the better fit of the Virginia schools. Better Academics and more than just football (not that their football program is elite).
Compared to UVA every public school has terrible academics. VA Tech is one of the best engineering schools in the country and beats Michigan in that manner. Sure, some of their other programs are not top notch, but it is an engineering school, it should not be judged on the basis of its poly sci degree.
But their engineering school doesn't come close to Michigan's.
... And you have much worst grammar.
Plus they compete with Georgetown and GWU for fans in an are of the country that does not care about college sports. Granted, those schools don't have D1 football teams, but in that area it is all about the redskins and the NFL. They have a tiny stadium that they never come close to filling. This is like bringing in a worse version of Northwestern. I am glad Northwestern is part of the conference, but would not invite them again.
Plus they compete with Georgetown and GWU for fans in an are of the country that does not care about college sports. Granted, those schools don't have D1 football teams, but in that area it is all about the redskins and the NFL. They have a tiny stadium that they never come close to filling. This is like bringing in a worse version of Northwestern. I am glad Northwestern is part of the conference, but would not invite them again.
It doesn' matter if it's a pro town as long as enough people want them on basic cable. Case in point Minnesota and Indiana both have pro franchises that are much more popular than their college products, yet they are on basic cable.
Plus, Maryland and New Jersey immediately become top 6 in term of high school football talent along with Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Illinois. They produce far more talent than Minnesota, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, or Nebraska.
Nobody watches them or cares about them. I live in that market, they are not even on TV. Granted, they are a basketball school. But even for basketball their ratings and attendance are way down.
Nobody really watches them. But at least they have potential to become better, especially with the B1G's resources. Which is more than can be said of a lot of schools.
And even if they don't become that much better, at least they'll help the bottom line and the B1G will most likely have better talent coming in :)
Not a home run, but long term wise... not a bad bet.
You don't need to be dominant. Just enough to get on basic cable. As flagship schools in each state with 38 thousand students at Maryland and 56 thousand students at Rutgers, I think they'll have enough pull despite their mediocre athletics. B1G alumni can fill any gaps.
Also, the main objective is the state of Maryland and New Jersey. New York and D.C. is just extra gravy.
Is not a word. Your comment is negated
Thanks, too late to fix
You can't fix it because it has been replied to.
This is the Rutgers argument all over again. There is nobody watching Maryland football, it wouldn't matter if they played their games on the White House lawn. Nobody anywhere is upping their cable package to watch that team.
As of 2010: 39k fans per game, stadium is 72.5% full. And they bring more to the table than WISCONSIN? Uh, if you say so.
Is hilarious in hindsight
It doesn't matter if 0 people watch Maryland football outside of Maryland, AS LONG AS ENOUGH IN STATE PEOPLE WATCH the B1G to put them on basic cable. With the other B1G alumni living in Maryland, along with Maryland hoops being popular, they will put the Big Ten Network on basic cable.
But yeah Wisconsin might be a stretch. My mistake.
I can't speak to DC or Maryland demographics. I can say that if there are enough B1G alums there now, they would already have the BTN (if they don't currently). BTN is already on the basic cable package in NYC, and it's because we have a zillion B1G alums here.
Literally in the last week Edsall begged more fans to go to Maryland games. I think "DO NOT WANT" is the only sensible reaction.
Yup. And, if I recall correctly it was part of a $5 a month package on Comcast.
Yes, I live in Maryland and have that.
So Maryland joining the B1G saves me $5 a month (potentially), and allows me to see Michignan close to home once every four years or so.
Um, OK. Sounds good for selfish reasons. But there's not much more than that.
On basic cable on Verizon in Howard County, MD as well.
The Big Ten Network is NOT on basic cable in New York. Even if there is, it's a very small percentage. And there is a huge difference between having B1G alums demanding the BTN on basic cable in Maryland, and the alums of the dominant instate school demanding the BTN.
The only sensible reaction is "DO SOME THINKING"
You can't make this argument with someone who actually gets basic cable in NYC. I have the basic Verizon package (one of only two options in the city along with Time Warner) and get BTN. So you're just making things up.
Maybe all of NJ and MD will DEMAND watching games on TV that they certainly won't attend in person. Unlike you, I won't speculate on things I know nothing about. But as you're talking out of your ass re: NYC cable, I'm assuming everything else you've said is pulled out of thin air as well.
How come all my friends in New York need to get the digital sports tier.
You're fine to doubt me. Doesn't change facts, and if the money loving Delaney is going ahead with the move, and that means he's looked at it seriously from a financial perspective. I at least try to use logic and facts. You refuse to look at the numbers.
If that's actually true, then I'm assuming Time Warner doesn't have it in their basic package. That seems plausible - they're the other cable option in NYC. I find it hard to believe a school with next-to-no NYC fanbase changes that, but it's possible. This is not an opinion: Michigan has more fans in this city than Rutgers, and it's not close.
I don't think Delaney is an idiot. I firmly believe that he has a master plan here, and if we're doomed to expand, hopefully it involves schools like UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, UVA, etc. at some stage. I just don't agree that adding two schools with crappy football programs, athletic departments that are losing money, and fundamentally tiny fanbases is the right next step.
Ask your friends what football fans who live in MD and NJ watch on the weekend. I'm willing to bet their answers will involve a lot of "Giants, Jets, Ravens, Skins" and next to no "Rutgers and Maryland." This is an NFL region.
this article if you haven't already: http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/
Even if the figures are off, Rutgers still has more fans in New York than the next 3 combined. It makes complete sense. They're located right outside of NY, they have a student population of 56,000, and a lot of them go on to work in New York.
But even if they don't bring New York, they bring New Jersey, with a population of 9 million. That alone is a lot of cable sets. New York should be gravy.
I agree though, that UNC and UVA are better fits than either. Too bad they won't leave the ACC, or their state governments won't let them.
if the only goal is to get the BTN on basic cable in a state with a lot of B1G alumni. Or Texas-San Antonio?
If the B1G goes to Texas, it's UTEP or bust.
Ooohhh, this man dreams big.
You need the alums of the dominant in state school demanding the BTN on basic cable for it to happen. UC Irvine doesn't have anything near enough fans to have California put the BTN on basic cable. Maryland and Rutgers does for their states.
...on Maryland. You make a compelling case for bringing Maryland to the B1G, but is the gain Maryland brings the B1G worth the downside of bringing some other marginal school with them, such as Rutgers. And overall, does Maryland really bring enough to the table to expand to 14 schools and water down the conference even more? At 14 schools, we'd have two mini conferences. We'd add a guaranteed annual contest with either Maryland or Rutgers and lose a game with a historical B!G opponent. Fine, we'll see less of Purdue, Illinois or Indiana, but we'll also see less of Wisconsin and Penn State. IMHE, stick to the 12 we have. Nebraska was a great addition, everything else (minus Notre Dame) is meh.
I actually think Rutgers brings at least as much to the table as Maryland. New Jersey has 3 million more people in their state than Maryland, and have by far the most fans in New York city than any other team thanks to their 56 thousand student population. They've always have had great high school talent, and in fact is equal or slightly better than the state of Michigan in terms for 4 star talent according to rivals.
It's the same with Maryland. They have a populous and rich state, along with great high school football. If anything, the two states will up the level of talent in the Big 10, even if it's not by much. Not to mention some of the richest basketball recruiting grounds in the nation.
We'll also be going to 9 games soon. Sure it'll suck not playing our midwest brethren, but think of the recruiting advantages! At least one away game in New Jersey or Maryland each year, or every 2 years has to help us alot. And if the money loving Delaney approves of this move, you KNOW he's looking to make a profit.
crab cakes have no place in the B1G picture
Yeah! Crabcakes and Football. That's what Maryland does!
They don't bring anything to the table. Another mouth to feed. I'd take NC before them, anyway.
... except an eye for fashion.
great basketball tradition. horrible uni tradition.
"Great"? Decent at best, and the BiG isn't hurting for basketball powerhouses as is. I live in DC and have pretty low regard for U of Maryland athletically and academically.
This was mentioned in another post, but MD is 3rd in total wins for basketball. Yes, I would consider that great tradition.
Top 3 what? I'm confused.
I've been told that should the MIAA accept MSU's application then a formal offer will be extended to the Terps.
There's a rumor that Maryland AND then Rutgers could follow.
Nicely done, good sir.
Thanks for the link. This still blows my mind. The Big Ten is "itchy" (per the article) for two schools with no fans but a big "footprint."
The BTN is already on every TV in NYC - it's part of the standard Verizon package here. Rutgers doesn't change that. I've wasted too much time in bars in this city, and I've literally never 1) seen any Rutgers gear or 2) heard "Turn on the Rutgers game." I'm sure they're big in central NJ.
Everyone involved with the B1G should be against expansion for expansion's sake. These schools aren't just not near Nebraska's level - they're not near Minnesota's.
FEAR THE FOOTPRINT
Sports wise they would be a big pick up for basketball competition. On the football field they have a loooooooooong way to go to catch up to an average Big Ten school. However, having them in the conference would help bring in more Maryland, Virginia, and Pennsylvannia recruits to the conference.
I think eventually the NCAA is going to fall into four super-conferences: the Big Ten, S.E.C., PAC, and one other. Eventually I will see the Big Ten needing/being able to add two more schools to the conference. This could be a reasonable step in that direction.
>ACC Buyout=$60+ Million
>Maryland cutting sports programs to pay off Ralph Freidgen.
>13 Teams? Who else are they bringing?
Supposedly Kevin Plank cashed out $65 million worth of Under Armour stock last week. Kevin Plank : UA/Maryland :: Phil Knight : Nike/Oregon.
Rutgers will reportedly follow suit if Marland joins the B1G.
what would maryland possibly add to the big ten? yeah its a good school, but their football is garbage and they don't seem like a cultural fit.
Heard of MSU? Its Like that but a better school.
Maryland is an average school at best.
I'm not advocating for adding them... but to take issue with them on their quality as a school seems a somewhat specious argument. US News (yes, yes, only one measure, blah blah) has them at #58... Ohio is at #56 and 6 other Big 10 unis rank lower than them. Notably, our newest member Nebraska checking in at #101. Oh by the way, Maryland is an AAU member... something the rest of the conference shares... except for Nebraska.
Again, I'm not trying to justify taking them by any means. Personally, I don't think they bring *that* much. But again, knocking them on academic grounds seems pretty weak.
So this means...STEFON DIGGS?!?!
Can hardly wait to listen to Ira on TKA this Monday...
MD and Rutgers are in talks according to ESPN.
I like MD, brings in the DC market and consistently solid sports teams, Rutgers we already went over back during the Great Expansion Season of 2011
Consistently solid sports teams? Uh, no.
Not lately since the AD as been having some issues. But basketball is usually always good in one of top basketball conferences and football has always had potential and recruits well
If it happens can the B1G please redraw the divisions so that M and OSU are together.
i would assume they would redraw things along geographic lines, cuz it'd be idiotic to have nebraska and maryland in the same division (just an example).
I would take Maryland and Rutgers if it means we can rename the Legends and Leaders divisions into something less asinine.
Losers and Leeches.
That is the first thing I thought which, I think, shows how awful the divisions are. If they renamed the divisions East and West, put Ohio State and Michigan in the same division and got rid of protected crossover games I would feel a lot better about more expansion.
I have to think we could get a better team than Maryland. Good Lord.
WTF? Maryland at least brings basketball. Rutgers brings nothing to the table... and don't even pretend that they are a ticket to the New York market. Nobody gives a flying fuck about Rutgers in NYC.
Rutgers has had a pretty decent football program for the past several years, and they're recruiting pretty well. I think they could potentially strike up a decent rivalry with Penn State because of the proximity of PA and NJ, partly because they recruit a lot of the same players.
I'm not a fan of bringing in Maryland or Rutgers, but there's a hint of potential there for football relevance.
That could very well be true, but I don't think it's worth it. The rest of the Big 10 won't suck this bad forever, and I have a hard time seeing Rutgers being relevant in the long run.
Rutgers dumped a shit ton of money into their football program when they were on a relatively small Big East budget. If you give them some BTN money, plus money from a big new Big Ten TV contract, who knows what they might turn themselves into?
Throw Michigan, MSU, Penn State, Ohio State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana/Purdue into a division, call it the Big Ten East, and that would be a bunch of fun games every fall.
are a glass half full kind of person. I just don't see it.
I was having very similar thoughts as well. They have been a decent program for the past couple years, and they are in a relatively fertile recruiting area. With the addition of the B1G money and the "prestige" of a B1G school, maybe Rutgers starts winning a few more recruiting battles for players who may otherwise look south (thinking ACC - UVA, VaTech, etc.)?
Diggs??? He is on Maryland.
Ugh, facepalm time.
Maryland football gets very little coverage and buzz around here. More basketball, however. I don't know generally, but our cable provider already offers BTN as part of its sports package. For me, the real advantage is a game or two to see that's not a long drive. Otherwise, the only advantage is no ACC games on ABC.
Who is your cable provider? Is Comcast just screwing with me? /threadjack
He said as part of their sports package ($5 month). That's what I get. It's not free, but it's worth it.
have space nor do we need anybody else, 12 teams is MORE THAN ENOUGH, NO MORE!!!
The B1G needs to expand. I like Maryland, but hate the Rutgers thing in my opinion they wasted an opportunity, and should have gone after Pitt, before they committed to the ACC. I wouldn't mind going south and trying to pick up Oklahoma and Oklahoma St.
Link to Pat Forde article about Rutgers and Maryland in serious talks.
I have nothing against Maryland except for a perhaps irrational and unfair dislike for it. But really, do we really need more second tier teams in the conference? At least Pitt would be in a traditional B1G state. If ND isn't joining, then why pursue additional members?
I mean I don't like the move because of personal conflicts but the baltimore/dc metro market is the 4th largest in the country, and maryland is big enough there to help the subscription fees in the big ten and maybe add to the financial pie. In addition maryland is third in the acc in basketball wins behind unc and duke so it is a good basketball school and would probably be the closest thing to a rival penn st has. I don't like the move that much but md brings more to the table than a lot of other schools from a financial standpoint and improves basketball even more.
At least the Nebraska addition made sense. Very strong football tradition, good school, and they fit well within the conference geographically.
Maryland has no football tradition, they suck, and their fans are well-known for being asses. Rutgers is like Maryland, except has no fans. This would not make the conference any better, and make it more of a national laughingstock.
nebraska...good school.... i mean no disrespect, but Maryland is definitely an academically superior school.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea how good of a school Nebraska is compared to the others. I guess I was just going by the people I've encountered from each school. Nebraska people that I've met have always been good people. Maryland on the otherhand...
I am in favor of this, but then I'm biased because my sister goes to Maryland. Football has taken a huge step back and yes they did just cut a bunch of varsity sports, which did not go over well there, but they are really good at some of the "other" sports. Their soccer teams, field hockey team, and women's basketball are all top notch. Basketball is also solid if not spectacular the last couple years. And it is a nice campus near the DC area.
Rutgers, on the other hand...
"soccer teams, field hockey team, and women's basketball"
^^^^^ These are not the factors that determine conferences anymore. Actually, I'm not sure if academics, quality of sports, or really anything the school itself produces would matter.
HOW ARE THE TELEVISION RATINGS IMPACT / CAN WE ADD MARKETS / WHAT DOES THE B1G NETWORK GOD DESIRE?
Nebraska? Good add
Maryland? Rutgers? No thank you. That would be awful
Rutgers fans in NYC is analagous to Marlins fans in Miami. This is stupid on so many levels. Ga Tech, Duke, anyone else makes sense.
Wonder if it is relevant to the B1G that tons of UM and PSU fans live in DC area. lots of tSIO gear worn out here too the last few years. Md football stadium will be filled for some home games -- with opponents' fans.
they're trying to target is pro sports territory. No one around here gives two craps about Maryland or Rutgers sports. They're all behind the Yankees, Eagles, Ravens, Cowboys, Capitals, etc. Adding Maryland and Rutgers will give us nothing but two more bad football teams and two deadweights
We lose Denard, but we gain RUTGERS AND MARYLAND?
F*ck you, Universe
Just saw this news on a halftime show. I understand that conferences are scrambling and nobody wants to be left behind... but maryland and rutgers?? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If all this is true, I wish they would have added Missouri when Nebraska came on. I can't get at all excited about MD or Rut. Just a money grab and a pathetic one at that.
Maryland is whatever, a neutral move. Bu Rutgers is a clear step down. A commuter school with a program nobody cares about. Way too low-rent.
Wait, Florida? How do you figure that one?
Sadly, Vandy wouldn't surprise me all that much.
No chance that Florida leaves the SEC.
This is about expanding the size of the big10 market. It gets them into 2 large television markets. They certainly bring more to the Big10 then Missouri brought to the SEC or Pitt to the ACC. I suspect you will also see the Big12 beef up to at least 12 teams shortly (Louisville and maybe an ACC team). This also hurts the ACC. UCONN for Maryland is definitely a downgrade
Also hurts NDs reasoning for joing the ACC, and I'm all about Making ND look stupid.
While I think both schools athletics and academics would be solid, if not stellar, contributions, and am all for adding two more flagship public schools for their respective states, I'm really all in for this move as it sends a fuck you to ND.
I hate ND with a cold disdain, but missing Maryland on their schedule hardly ruins ND's day.
For those of us who follow lax, Maryland and Rutgers would bring two more D1 lax programs, and in Maryland's case, an elite one. That would make 5 B1G lax teams.
Not saying that this factoid makes it worth it, but it's something.
LAX. That's the ticket.
I think Maryland will become a solid program in somewhere down the road. That being said, why offer them now? Do they really have any other conference suitors that could outbid the Big Ten in the foreseeable future? Rutgers will never be worthy of a B1G invitation.
I'm behind this for 100% selfish reasons.
I am forced to wonder if Maryland could even afford the move - there is the matter of the $50 million exit fee from the ACC, which they did not want, and the fact that they have been a money-losing proposition - at least the athletic deparment has - for six years now. That's a lot of money that they do not have, by all accounts.
I suppose I get that Maryland is contiguous to the Big Ten footprint and mean an avenue into the DC market, but other than being in one of the better off and better run conferences in the nation (the Big Ten), is there a more compelling reason other than the hope that playing Wisconsin or Michigan or Ohio State in College Park generates more revenue than playing North Carolina or Clemson or Virginia Tech? They would have to be able to eat the exit fee, or challenge it (some people seem to think they would try to leave and then sue the ACC) and settle, I would think.
That being said, it likely is about the money and football driving the train in college sports, if the rumor indeed has traction, but if Maryland thinks that what they are now is what their future is in the ACC, then I suppose I see why they would consider such a move.
Still, Terrapin football, at least in its current iteration....blech. I suppose Illinois needs a friend though, because if Maryland did join, that would be a painful adjustment for them, I would think.
Rutgers have been one of the best teams in the BIg East the last couple of years. The last 3 years they've had either best or second best recruiting class in the Big East (excluding West Virginia)
Can't we at least get Virginia Tech? Good academic school (not, you know, UM or NW good, but equal to a lot of the schools in the conference), some actual FB potential and history, bigger name, and still gives you access to the VV/DC markets and recruiting.
Ruthers is more up and coming then people think, FWIW. They got a lot of coaches from Pitt when Pitt fired Wnnestedt, and they recruited NJ better than anyone- that's what's helped Rutgers recruit so well the last few classes. For the first time, they're acvtually getting local talent to stay home. But still...
I mean, I don;t want to expand, but if we have to, can't we do better?
Probably wouldn't come without UVA. If this RU & MD expansion does happen, that would be a good idea if the B1G wanted 16.
umm va tech is not a good academic school, is not in the aau and has never won a national championship in anything ever and who knows what will happen to football when beamer moves on. Also i'm not sure that vt really gaurantees the dc market. I honestly believe md is a better add than vt or missouri or duke which some people keep mentioning for no reason, rutgers I don't get because its already established they don't bring the nyc tv market.
VT is a tier 1 school which consistently ranks as good as or better than MSU, Iowa, Indiana and the lower half of the conference, certainly better than Nebrasksa. Not AAU, granted, but neither is ND. VTech has better exposure and poularity and a larger fanbase than MD. It may not get yud DC, bit nobody in DC cares about Maryland anyway. And while I can't tell you how good VTech will be without Beamer, at least they have some tradition with the sport. Maryland has none. And they won't be getting any better with Edsall
ND is not in the AAU because it is an insitution focused primarily on undergraduate education. VaTech isn't in the AAU because it simply is not that good of a school. Maryland will get better with Edsall, they literally are on their 4th string QB( Remember how well Michigan played with our option number 2 in the Nebraska game?). Maryland will likely improve as they start to keep more and more of increasing amount of elite DC area talent at home.
I really don't see the point in arguing with a person who thinks Maryland will improve with Edsall. He wasn't even dominant coach in the liittle pool which was the Big East, the way Kelly or RichRod were. Nor is he going to convince local talent to hitch their wagons to his star, after his stunning debut.
I guess reasonable people can disagree, but whatever. Edsall is a terrible coach, and Maryland is at least one coaching change away (that they can't afford) from even being pointed in the right direction
He's such a terrible coach that he took a program from FCS football to being competitive in an AQ conference(blah blah the Big East sucks we get it) in a location with almost no football talent. He also convinced 5 star WR Stefon Diggs and 4 star RB Wes Brown to "hitch their wagons" to him after his 2-10 debut. To say that he is a terrible coach because he went 2-10 after a transition that was even more controversial than the RR coming to Michigan and that Maryland when there wasn't much talent on the team(Danny O'Brien was arguably the most heralded player) is asinine.
His claim to fame is that he won the conference championship, once, in the worst BCS conference in a down year, where it was literally up for grabs. That same year, he lost to other middling Big East teams, and was crushed in any meaningful non-conference game, including to a mediocre Michigan team that went an unimpressive 7-5.
Kelly amkes sense: He took Cinci to back-to back championships, and won 12-0 seasons. RichRod made sense: he was one rivalry game loss away from playing in a national championship.
All your saying about Edsall is he pushed a junker team through a junker conference for a meaningless championship, an an accomplishment that meant so much to him he abandoned his team the NIGHT they were crused in te Fiesta Bowl. Oh, and Brown and Diggs decided to stay home. And from that you infer he's some kind of quality coach?
Well, I'm not taking your word for it- I'll take the word of the fans who aren't showing up to his games.
1 Using your logic Brady Hoke was not a good coach prior coming to Michigan because his claim to fame was winning a MAC division championship. If you want to continue to ignore the context of his success at UCONN(was literally a FCS school when he took over) you can, but then Hoke's relative success at SDSU and BSU was not impressive either. Also you are incorrect in stating that Edsall won the Big East only once.
2 My point about Brown and Diggs was a response to you claiming that he would never convince quality local players to stay home after his first season, not a basis of support for him being a good coach.
3 Further evidence of Edsall being a competant coach and UCONN being a really crappy job. Edsall was 74-70(22-26) at UCONN. His successor, Pasqualoni, who although I'd say isn't a tremendous coach currently, literally has the most wins in Big East history and has a 9-13(4-8) record at UConn.
DO NOT WANT
Their qb hating god is not welcome even if he is friends with airbgh
Iowa, Nebreska, Wisconsin, NWST, Minn, Purdue, ILL
Mich, OSU, MSU, Penn St., Ind, Rutgers, Mary
If this happens, I'd like it. Like seeing Michigan play in new places and play new teams.
I would switch the Indiana schools for the Illinois schools to keep the geography right, but otherwise it makes sense. Although barring a 9 game conference schedule it would mean only playing 1-2 games against the traditional Big Ten schools not in Ohio or Indiana. Also no way we could play for the Jug and Paul Bunyun every year.
MSU and Illinois would have to flip-flop.
PSU and OSU in East, UM and Nebraska in the West.
Sorry, but this won't happen. Nebraska did not join the conference to play Indiana, MSU, and Purdue. They want (really, need) to play at least 2 of M, OSU, and PSU every year. If Rutgers and Maryland being added to the conference really does happen, expect another random Legends/Leaders kind of setup. In fact, they should really just add Maryland to the Legends to keep it M's, N's, and Iowa.
I'd much rather have to beat out Wisconsin than UM every year to win the West. And get Purdue and Indiana every year.
AWFUL idea! The Big Ten doesn't need more basketball talent and Big East football is a joke. Let's hope television opportunities and lacrosse aren't enough reason for Delany to muddy the conference I/we hold dear.
That is all.
Because Brian is going to talk to the DC Alumni chapter.
This isn't the first time we've heard Maryland and Rutgers' names in connection with B1G expansion. Clearly, Delany and Co. are interested in expanding the Eastern footprint.
Presumably they've done their homework and feel that the numbers make sense.
What's unusual this time is that someone leaked the information; the Nebraska discussions were in secret. It wouldn't surprise me if someone opposing the move at Maryland made the fact of negotiations public to throw a monkey wrench into the works and prevent the school having to fund a 50 million dollar buyout.
Isn't the Maryland AD in debt as well? I don't see this happening.
that if this were more tied to at least consistent basketball and "other" sports powers, I would be much more intrigued. I feel like we could at least get Kansas/K-State who have been pretty good at basketball and K-State is obviously having football success. Same with UNC/Duke/UVA/GA Tech, etc. Some combination of that would get us into Southern markets with large talent bases and new BTN subscribers. If Maryland, as an ACC school, is willing to seriously discuss leaving even with the exit fees, I have to believe there are more prominent/lucrative options on the table.
I can understand this argument against Rutgers, but Maryland is ten years removed from a national championship in basketball, their women's team is top 10 pretty much year, lacrosse is a top team, I believe they have won multiple national championships recently in field hockey, and their soccer team is typically very good. They bring quite a bit in the "other" sports categories. Just not football. They are basically Minnesota there. Fire the coach that gives them a good team because he isn't taking them to BCS games and now they suck.
There is plenty of big time talent in NJ/MD area. They just cannot keep their in state talent. If you're a 4 or 5 star recruit, which do exist there, do you really want to go Rutgers or Maryland? Ummm, no.
Messrs diggs and brown disagree
Hey Delaney - you're doing it wrong
I know that things get ridiculous around college sports but the ACC buyout is $50 million. How could you possibly justify paying that to move conferences? It seems like all hell would break loose when they issue yet another tuition increase next year.
The increase in tv money and probably the assumption that the big10 will have more teams qualify for the playoff/ contract bowls then the ACC would (the ACC is basically FSU and Clemson and it has been for a while)
Looks like they would get an extra 4 million per year from the BIG (assuming the pot grows enough to fund 14 teams at the same rate as 12) this would be a 12.5 year payback assuming they don't have to finance the buyout. If you discount the cash flow the appropriate price is significantly below 50 million.
Maryland also has a strong political delegation and a lot of bureaucrats in the DC capitol region. If we all believe the B1G is more than an athletic conference (the research pooling, AAU membership preference), the addition of Maryland & rutgers gives the conference more clout in DC, and greedily for me, more access for B1G universities to Goddard Space Flight Center.
Athletically, it's a wash to me... these two schools aren't going t ochange the athletic dynamics in football or basketball that much except for giving Penn St a now natural set of rivals and probably forcing the conference to go geographic based divisions. this may be worth it in and of itsellf.
Then the B1G should add schools that are strong in things like agriculture, education, and applied sciences, where there's lots of federal research money. Like Nebraska, MSU, and UM. Oh, wait.
Maryland's football program is abysmal and no one in the dc area gives a damn. They're averaging 37000 and that's with giveaways and Groupons. Even if they sell out, they only can hold about 45000. It does have excellent soccer, lacrosse and basketball programs.
Both Maryland and Rutgers have major athletic funding problems from facilities projects in the last decade or so. Maryland was having money problems before the Friedgen firing due to the way they structured their basketball stadium financing, and Rutgers is having serious money problems due to their football stadium expansion. Why would the B1G want to do business with these departments, particularly since you can already get the BTN in large portions of their footprints?
Short answer: Delaney knows more than any of us do about this and he thinks it makes sesne.
arghh, I tried typing a smart comment about Maryland but my comment went all student-section on me and didn't show up
that is sooooooo obv photoshopped!!!!
Maybe Brandon wants Maryland in the Big Ten to help us with uniforms, just a thought.
I'm going to have nightmares tonight because of this
ESPNU just reported they are serious negotiations and an announcement could come as early as Monday.
It would be Maryland and Rutgers to the B1G - UConn and one other the ACC.
WaPo says "next few days"
Assume/hope this ends like the Big10 network did for league. No one thought it was a good idea at the time, but it sure turned out to be (for the conference)
Who didn't think the Big 10 network was a good idea at the time.
plenty of people including, iirc, Brian Cook
This just feels random and out of the blue. I know these schools have been talked about before, but now? It seems like the B1G was stable and happy with 12--no reason to go crazy to try to get to 14 like the SEC and ACC did (and how are those conferences liking the additions now?).
Nebraska was plausible because their fanbase and history could justify it--they brought in at least their share of the total pie in bowl/TV money, even before counting the ability of the conference to stage the championship game.
Can Maryland and Rutgers bring enough in BTN subscriptions and ESPN contract money to not dilute the amount received by the rest of the conference?
Finally, from a fan standpoint, this further dilutes the conference feeling between the schools. Does anybody else remember what it's like to play Wisconsin? I don't really, since we haven't played them since 2010 and won't until 2015, barring a championship game appearance, obviously. If a 14 team conference only plays 8 conference games, you don't play the teams in the opposite division more often than you do.
leave the ACC basketball conference?
1. ACC basketball is run by the Carolina schools. Maryland has been trying to get the ACC tourney to the DC area for generations and managed to achieve it once. 2. Second reason: B1G basketball is as good and right nw better than ACC basketball. 3. The benefit to all of the other Maryland athletic programs would far outweigh any loss in basketball.
I wish it would be UCONN over Rutgers.
If the conference adds Maryland and Rutgers, I think it's inevitable that we're going to 16, and we'll become the Big 16. That's why the new logo was done the way it was.
WOTS is that Ahmadinejibberjabber is a big Ohio State fan.
the University of Tehran. Good thinking on Delaney's part to break into the Middle Eastern market
As someone who really wants a Big Ten lacrosse league, I'm down with Maryland. Rutgers is less exciting, but still OK.
So would it make Ohio's division easier and ours harder? They would have to realign everything.
So unbelievably terrible
Seriously, if we are trying to add schools now, why couldn't we have gotten Missouri a year ago instead? At the time I remember reading that they wanted to join the big ten, but went to the SEC when they were turned down. Would've been a much better fit than Maryland and/or Rutgers.
it takes forever to play everyone on your conference. Its almost like the two divisions are separate conferences. Road travel becomes a burden for the student athletes and ridiculous for the fans. Isn't there enough money as things stand now?
I mean ann arbor to college park is closer and easier than getting to iowa or nebraska and I think relatively similar to illinois in terms of time though I could be wrong on that one. Yeah dc to iowa is a trek but once you are flying like iowa is to penn st the extra half hour doesn't really count as additional burden.
Seattle to Boulder is a lot further than Lincoln to College Park and yet I've yet to see anyone bitch that Colorado is a bad fit in the Pac-12
DTW to BWI is really easy, lots of flights, reasonable prices.
I for one, can't wait for the Maryland-Minnesota games. I'll call those games, "Why people make fun of the Big Ten nowadays" bowl.
Dodd on the Big10's move and whether it could be the beginning of super conferences. He thinks UNC might be part of Delany's end game and in doing so wrecking the ACC (and by extension ND). This just reminds me of the Big10 network. Delany was a head of the curve on that one and when all is said and done he could be on this one as well.
So what, this is all just a vengeance burn on ND? This is about sleeping with the friends of the hot girl who rejected you so they'll have no friends/be jealous? That's our reason for subjecting the world to Maryland vs. Indiana?
Also, does anybody think NC would actually leave Duke and NC State behind? I sure don't.
if it were even possible, NC State would be in the SEC right now
When interrogating terrorists, the FBI could show the IU-MD game to make them talk.
Dodd's point was that getting UNC might be the Big10's long term goal. My point was hurting ND would just be an added benefit.
He's on crack.
UVA, UNC, MD and anyone but Rutgers...srsly bring back Chicago.
Just rolled across the bottom of the screen in the Stanford/Oregon game.....
No one in the B1G should surrender to UA's Trojan horse of Maryland just to get their hands on our uniforms. Worst uniforms ever.
As long as Ohio is in the same division as us, I'm fine with it. You can't play "The Game" twice in one season, my head will explode.
it has nothing to do with the fanbases of these schools you derptards
it adds big markets with a lot og Big Ten alums and gets more BTN subscribers on the east coast. And it provides more content for ESPN and Fox to fight over. Plus a conference championship game at MetLife when we're done with the Indy contract.
If it means we realign the divisions so we're in the same one as OSU, I'm all for it.
For all the hatred towards Rutgers and Maryland, we should start a petition to get Purdue and Illinois out of the conference. No one in those states care about those teams and they are mediocre at best in every sport.
Purdue and Illinois basketball (and their die-hard fans) think that you have no idea what you're talking about. Illinois is popular in-state as well, and it has football fans too when the team is mediocre or better (more than you can say for Indiana).
No sane person in this thread is ripping Maryland's basketball program. But RU and UMD are not football powers by any stretch and nobody goes to their games. The ADs of both schools are bleeding money. I was watching a Rutgers home game last year that had *maybe* 5000 people there. You're probably just trolling, but come on now.
The argument was made that Maryland takes a backseat to the ravens. Well Illinois takes a backseat to the bears. People say there are more Michigan fans in NY than Rutgers. Same goes for Chicago with Michigan vs Illinois. Purdue is second fiddle to Indiana. These two schools offer nothing we wouldn't have withou them. Don't use the more mouths to feed argument when we are already feeding multiple schools who don't pull their weight.
Also Rutgers averages 40-45k fans the same as Illinois. I'd cite examples but I'm doing this from my iPod. Google it, you'll see. Your 5k stat is clearly exaggerated.
2011 stats (attendance per game):
Illinois - 49,548
Purdue - 45,225
Rutgers - 43,761
Maryland - 42,355
So you're broadly right. You could more fairly rip Indiana and its 41k per game. But even if RU and UMD are no better than Illinois and Purdue (something I'd obviously argue), how is that a justification for adding them?
Of course Illinois and Purdue have outstanding basketball programs with great history, as does Maryland. And traditional rivalries within the conference. Rutgers has low football attendance and doesn't even bring basketball. The difference between adding Rutgers, UCONN, or Syracuse is negligible - the only difference is two of those schools play great basketball. That doesn't justify adding any of them to the B1G, of course.
PS, there were about 5000 fans at the Rutgers game I saw. It was snowing (not like a white-out, just cold crappy weather), but there were no more than 5000 people there regardless of the paid attendance stats.
I wasn't arguing to add them. I'm stating that if they would be such a drag, why aren't you all attacking the replicas we have in conference? They offer nothing. Rivalries? Rivalries do exist out of conference.
Quick research shows Maryland with 25 team national titles. That's only behind Penn St, Michigan and tied with Iowa in the big ten. Although I didn't see what they were in, apologize for a lack of research on this tiny screen.
I know Illinois won one in basketball a few years ago, has either won any others in the last 30 years in anything?
And Rutgers being the best theyve ever been.
In the event that this truly awful plan comes to fruition, I see two logical methods of dealing with the divisions. First, you could simply add Maryland to the horribly-named division with PSU (they have an old rivalry they could renew) and Rutgers to our horribly-named division. However, in light of PSU football being severely weakened and the (presumed) desire on the part of Michigan to be in a division with OSU and Wisconsin to be in a division with Nebraska and their historical rivals, you could reformat geographically (with designated cross-divisional rivals):
*These cross-divisional games are interchangeable.
This decision has a geographical justification, but would irritate a number of teams. MSU, would lose Michigan from the division and a sweetheart deal where they play an easier schedule than most of their current opponents on the aggregate with a guaranteed game against Indiana. Illinois would not be happy about not having either Ohio State or Michigan as a yearly game, seeing as they consider both schools to be significant rivals (hahahahaha). The same is true of Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern, although getting Wisconsin every year lessens that issue. Ultimately, however, this is an alignment that all schools can live with.
Now, having discussed all of this, I will say that I cannot for the life of me see how the list of teams I'm looking at makes for a stronger league (competitively or economically) than that list of teams without Maryland and Rutgers. Both schools would be perrenial bottom-feeders of their division no matter what their alignment and neither of their football programs command any sort of significant loyalty in their respective markets. It's a mind-bogglingly awful idea.
it makes a lot more sense to put purdue in the West and Sparty in the East
Agreed, although I'm not exactly sure that Michigan, OSU, and PSU would be happy with that from a competitive balance standpoint. On the other hand, PSU may well be a smoking crater of a program once the scholarship reductions kick in, so that objection would go away.
Delaney has magic.
It's not Maryland, it's Florida State. You watch.
And I hate this expansion idea. That being said, if they're going to do it, do something really innovative and add four teams and create four four-team divsions with a two round playoff to determine the champ.
Otherwise go home. And get the F off my lawn.
University of Maryland and University of Virginia, I could (grudgingly) accept. Rutgers, though? Do not want. VaTech? DO NOT WANT!
We are talking about adding members that will be in the league for a century or more. Rutgers is a fine academic school, but has nothing to offer in terms of college culture, while VaTech has neither college culture nor academic excellence. UMd and UVa would add some luster to the B10 over the next one hundred years, though I don't see how either would actually get much luster from joining the B10.
Staying at 12 seems like the better move for the B10 in the near and mid term.
Inside the beltway in NOVA and NW DC and the hill there are more open Michigan fans than open Maryland.
I have no way of judging Maryland fanbase itself because I only go there for destinations and come back out. I don't get the impression that Maryland has the academic research and faculty chops of a Michigan/State/Chicago/NW.
There's a guy on the NW Rivals board that nailed the information before Nebraska joined, he's saying there's nothing to see about this. So let's not waste our time here.
At first glance, the situation appears to be that Maryland is being proactive and making a play for B1G membersip as a way to generate more long-term revenue and visibility. Taking advantage of an opportunity to secure - or at least pursue - a coveted spot in a conference such as ours is a smart move not only for an athletic department, but for unversity leaders in general.
This is not unlike when Mizzou was inquiring about becoming our 12th member. They felt that the Big XII was moving in a direction that was not in their best interest, and they made a run at the conference that could offer them the most value and long term stability. When we said no (an unfortunate call, IMO) they moved on to the next best thing - the SEC.
Instead, we were able to land Nebraska, a university that had a good deal of football tradition, fit in nicely with the conference's geographic footprint, and (at the time at least...) had AAU membership. The one thing we missed out on was the opportunity to broaden the television market share - something that can bring added value to the Big Ten Network as an increased regional viewership = increased $.
Given the fact that we will not land ND - the only player within our footprint that we have yet to add - we should at the very least be open to the idea of new opportunities as we move forward. As we missed out on an opportunity to jump into the St. Louis market and fan the Illinois/Missouri flame (think St. Louis/Chicago rivalries), the only other markets that would make geographic sense would be: PA, NY, DC, & NE.
Pitt and Syracuse are starting fresh and heading to the ACC, so that ship has sailed. Temple? No. BC? Probably wouldn't come now that they've all but guaranteed their ND match-up as ACC members.
Rutgers? I have yet to be convinced that they would be able to draw any more network memberships or ticket sales from the NY marketplace than we already have been. Would a New Yorker be more likely to travel to Rutgers for a game against a middling Big Ten team than they would for a Big East match-up? I remain undecided about this one.
To me, though, Maryland is an intriguing prospect. 1) Fits geographically while giving Penn State some East-side support. 2) AAU membership. 3) If properly funded, their teams have the potential to be competitive in future years. MD basketball would certainly be a solid gain for any conference... 4) Would expand the conference's footprint into the DC market.
Despite the current state of their athletic department, I think that the Big Ten conference should take the time to consider adding Maryland. Such a conference jump would undoubtedly rekindle local interest in the team. The accessibility of Big Ten games could also be a major factor as the metro-DC area boasts a very strong Big Ten alumni base.
But as schools, like recruits, commit in pairs these days, I would like to see the conference make a run at UVA. I understand the initial appeal of Rutgers, but there have also been rumblings that Virginia was unhappy playing second fiddle to VT (think Texas A&M and Texas) during the last conference realignment session. And you have to admit, swiping both Maryland and Virginia from the ACC would be a coup.
2 cents? More like $200,000. Tl:dr
Why the fuck would we say "no thanks" to Missouri last year then turn around and say "Oh boy! Maryland! Golly!" It's Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers, we want. Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers.
Does anyone here want to play Maryland and Rutgers in anything instead of Wisconsin, Indiana, Minnesota, or Penn State?
Right. so stop wanting to see shit teams that bring nothing to the conference except a little bit more money that's not even needed.
honestly, I'd rather be in a division with Ohio than play any of those teams
if that means playing Maryland instead of Purdue I really couldn't care less
Fuck no! Maryland just cut some varsity sports, yeah thats moving in the right direction. Some of the statements on here about the good things that Maryland brings to the table are funny and it screams desperation. Now im gonna go and sit on the toilet and take a Rutgers.
The SEC exit fee = $0. My guess is Mizzou still prefers the B1G and could be flipped pretty easily.
This is worse than the students not showing up today....
"Rutgers has been involved in all five of the all-time top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2 and been part of four of the five all-time highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN."
Also, went to a BW3 in Central NJ today and the place was packed with RU fans. It was shocking to me, because I would not have guessed it for a noon game. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of fair weather fans, but they are still viewers.
To get the BTN standard in NJ, MD, DC, Northern VA, and NYC would be worth it's weight in gold. You will start seeing Tiffany's and Mercades ads during those games. That's also worth it's weight... All in all, these 2 teams are far superior to Purdue and Indiana!
I'm a fan of the University's football team, not its balance sheet. I'm sick of all this TV market bullshit.
So this occurred to me after hearing Brent/Herbie diss the SEC for their chump schedule this week: Maryland + Rutgers = 9 game conference schedule with built-in patsies + xtra viewers and potential to play B1G championship in NY/MD.
Rutgers has to go to Ohio's division and the Turtles to ours.
New York metro area sports fans aren't particularly interested in college football. I question whether the local cable companies, especially Cablevision, would even opt to carry the Big Ten Network.
only holds 52,000. Would Brandon insist that all UM football games @Rutgers get moved to a bigger stadium?
I live in South Jersey and I see B1G teams supported out here. Besides Michigan fans there are a large amount of Penn State and Ohio fans and a decent amount of support for Rutgers. A lot of my friends attend/attended Rutgers and still support the team. I'm about 90 mins south of New Brunswick (Rutgers campus) and bringing Big Ten teams out here to play would be a great thing imo. I know I would be thrilled to see MIchigan out come beat up on the Scarlet Frights.
I would want Maryland and Syracuse, not Rutgers.
I can think of numerous schools I'd take over Rutgers that meet our contiguous state criteria, in no order:
Either Virginia school now
Possibly even Kansas
What does Pitt bring? Mediocre athletics and we already have Pennsylvania covered.
I think they're a better institutional, geographical and athletic fit than Rutgers. Pitt adds 9 national titles and a Heisman Trophy, a solid basketball program, and a large well regarded research intensive university.
Rutgers adds a win over Princeton in what was essentially a soccer game but we can call it the first football game, a crappy bball program, a good market and a slightly less well regarded research intensive university. Also, it sounds like the name of a chain restaurant.
The only thing good I could see coming out of this is maybe the divisions will be re-aligned and we'd be in the same division as Ohio. I really don't care who else is in that division, but not being in the same division as Ohio is a big mistake.
Going to a 14 team conference means 6 division games and only 2 cross-division games. If you keep "protected" games across divisions, that means we'd play the teams in the other division that aren't protected once every 6 years on average. I don't see how that makes any sense, so maybe protected games would have to go (btw it probably also makes it more fair, or at least more random).
Its too bad the rules force a division structure. I think the thing that makes the most sense is to have one conference with the conference championship being the top two conference teams, not the winners of divisions. I realize their are extenuating circumstances, but how does it make any sense for a 5-3 or 4-4 Wisky team (in B1G) go to the championship game while M, a higher ranked team with a better conference record stays home?
I don't want any more teams in the league. Twelve is enough. If you have fourteen, you're going to have some massively unbalanced schedules/divisions.
Maryland does not fit the mold of a B1G campus, but their academics are solid and they are an AAU member. I definitely think Mizzou would flip to the B1G in a heartbeat. The big ten was originally the number 1 choice, and it offers more money through than the SEC, and Mizzou would be more successful here athletically. Plus, they have rivalries with Illinois and Nebraska already. Like Maryland, they are also an AAU member. These would be the two I would go for first to make 14. If Delaney wants 16, he has a load of mediocre options:
- Kansas - PROS: AAU member, outstanding basketball, good geographical fit. CONS: Awful football, not a great market, and no way they bolt for the B1G without K State.
- Iowa State - PROS: AAU member (how, I dont know), rivalry with Iowa, good geographical fit. CONS: Its Iowa State.
- Pitt - PROS: AAU member, rivalry with PSU, great basketball, good geographical fit. CONS: They dont have a campus stadium, and they only have ahout 20k people show up to their games at Heinz Field, very average football team.
- Rutgers - PROS: AAU member, could potentially bring in NY market and increase B1G's revenue, and also NJ is a good state to recruit in. CONS: Its Rutgers.
- Syracuse - PROS: Outstanding basketball, somewhat of a B1G type university. CONS: Im unsure if NYC watches them, because the 'Cuse is upstate. They arent an AAU member, and they play in a dome.
I always got the sense that Syracuse was to NYC what Illinois is to Chicago... essentially, the safety school for a lot of kids in the area and the team most non-Catholic neutrals will gravitate to as the home team. You see a good deal of Cuse merchandise on people in New York, often on people who don't appear to be alums.
of course it's all about basketball, but they could probably generate bandwagon interest if they were good again
I like it. It's 30% dollars, 70% investment into expanding to the East coast, 100% power play for the future. UA is a rising company, and while Maryland isn't known as a football powerhouse neither was Oregon. Maryland is a good bet as any for a meteoric rise. Rutgers is necessary because the B1G needs a foothold to the NY market. I know, college football isn't big there, but that means there's room for growth.
See, the B1G is on a path towards gradual decline with the change in population around the country. In this age of superconferences, staying put means eventually getting left behind. This will be a three kingdoms sort of thing, with SEC holding the southeast, Texas joining Pac12 to form a southwest kingdom. If B1G wants to compete on equal terms with those two powers, it needs to first grab the Northeast. Add the bonus of giving ND a royal Eff You in the asss, I love what Delany is doing.
"the B1G is on a path towards gradual decline with the change in population around the country"
This is the reason for the move to pick up MD and Rutgers, and has been something Delaney has wanted to do for years. The B1G is the only conference in a declining area, and Delaney knows he needs to fix that.
Maryland fans may not be happy either: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/university-of-maryland-in-... . Story makes it clear that Maryland was not happy about the ND deal and is attracted to the Big Ten by dollars.
My thoughts, echoeing some sentiments already posted.
Clearly this is being done to gain Baltimore and NY markets - unless the B1G Network on the megalopolis.
14 teams in a conference seems completely stupid.
Maryland is terrible in football right now, but isn't far removed from bowl games 4 out of 5 years. Frankly, they bring as much to the table for football as Illinois, Indiana, Purdue (who they beat in a bowl game just a few years back), Minnesota...slightly less than Northwestern and Iowa.
In basketball, Maryland isn't what it used to be either. The glory days of Gary Williams are a thing of the past. You used to be able to chalk them up for 19-25 wins per year. Now they're about .500.
Between the above comments and the cuts Maryland is making, there really is no case for them outside of securing the Baltimore market.
Rutgers is slightly different. In basketball they have been a Big East whipping boy for at least a decade. Probably their best season in recent memory was the one that UM ended in the NIT championship. They're basically the Brian Ellerbe and Tommy Amaker era Wolverines, minus any semblance of misfit talent.
Football, however, has been strong-ish. Yes, they are winning right now with Greg Schiano's talent and doing so in a dreadful conference, but they're a name in regional recruiting with some strong schools and could be competitive.
Even on their best days, these schools (while fitting the Big Ten academic model) seem like a reach. This feels like a desperation market move to grab the megalopolis before someone else does. It only makes sense to me of it's part of a 16 team end game, but I don't see two other teams worth grabbing that haven't already moved in the past 3 years.
I'm also curious to see how the conference divisions would realign. There's a logical East-West split there, but it puts both Ohio and Michigan in the same division.
Too many questions and not enough answers on this one. If the conference was going to raid that part of the country to increase the competition, it missed the chance on Syracuse, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia.