?[LOCKED] OT: Woah, what's going on with COVID in Michigan?
This is neither intended to be a political post nor a flame war, just seeking information. Famous last words, I know.
Michigan's COVID case count was higher than California, Florida, or Texas yesterday. I'm not paying close attention to what's going on there -- is there something happening that's causing this outbreak (lower restrictions, new variant, something else)?
Meanwhile, hope everyone stays safe in the Mitten. <3
[Locking because....NM, just read thru it yourselves and you'll see the usual misbehaving few] -rob f, 10:30 pm
Am I missing something? Is this sarcasm? I’ve felt Xtra’s post are always measured and insightful, but dumb states?
We’re certainly happy how our state is handling it in Florida. Glad you are too. No need to be uncivil.
“We’re certainly happy how our state is handling it in Florida.”
Seriously, no joke! In fact people are so happy about how Florida is handling this that they are moving here in droves. People not in Florida can poke fun at Florida all day long, they always do, but... Floridians are pretty dang happy about how Florida is handling this.
Xtra; please stop "low-key" foisting your political crap on the board. Please, it's mildly infuriating (most assuredly not for the reasons you will think), and contributes nothing positive.
Michigan's numbers are indeed shooting up right now. It's because we recently reopened restaurants and removed other restrictions at the same time we had a B117 variant breakout. It's especially bad in areas, like the thumb, that weren't hit hard before. Bordering areas are getting a kickback effect.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/michigan-covid-cases.html
Fortunately Michigan has vaccinated a substantial portion of our elderly population, which hasn't by any means stopped the deaths, but substantially raised the survival rate (but not the hospitalization rate). Pressure is building for a final shutdown.
Texas and Florida are suppressing their numbers so it's not very helpful to compare them.
Why do you keep trolling like this? You are an intelligent person. You should know better.
This is not a political thing. It is a geographic thing. 2 months ago, the cases were rising in the south. Now, they're rising predominantly in the north. It's a virus. It requires public health solutions. Trying to score cheap political points over something that has claimed the lives of over 500,000 people is reprehensible.
Although I got vaccinated, this is interesting:
“246 vaccinated residents diagnosed with COVID; 3 dead, Michigan reports”
While 90-95% is target for vaccine, some folks still getting Covid after 2 weeks elapse on final dose. Some folks getting hospitalized as well after full dose.
Yeah that's an unfortunate headline that just reinforces the reticence of people to get the vaccine. Wish they had led with this quote from the article, but they'd get fewer clicks:
"It is important to reiterate that, while the overall numbers of potential breakthrough cases are low, the proportions of those symptomatic, hospitalized, and who died are all lower than those who are unvaccinated."
The virus doesn't know virtue. It finds hosts and spreads. First it's Michigan or Connecticut. Next it will be someplace else. Hasn't the pattern become apparent yet? Europe. Then the Northeast/Midwest. Then everywhere else. It's a virus. It mutates and spreads, particularly in areas that are highly populated or egregiously lax. It will make another trip around the country, and the only thing that can stop it is the vaccine.
Do you not realize we've said this during every surge: Oh, how weird that it's hitting state X but not state Y. Then, 3 weeks later, it hits state Y and eases in state X. It's a virus. It moves from host to host.
Just couldn’t help yourself could you XM? Why don’t you tell us next how much better you are than all of us. But be sure to hide it in one of your my shit don’t stink posts.
BTW, your area of Michigan is one of the hot spots right now. Probably because of attitudes that match yours towards this virus.
No need to be Nasty. No need to show disdain for the good folks in the UP.
People have different viewpoints. It doesn’t make them bad or necessarily wrong.
I’m sure you both would probably enjoy a beer together.
You intentionally omitted florida
Well everybody, case closed. Despite flying in the face of germ theory, modern medicine, and epidemiology, XM has the solution: no precautions equals less cases.
who would have thought. Well done. These 2 graphs have told me all I need to know. Open er up.
It's either Whitmer's fault, Trump's fault, Biden's fault, or China's fault. You pick.
It could also be, you know, a novel virus just doing its thang, as they have thousands of times in the past, but blaming one of the above tends to make folks feel better.
It’s def the Clinton Crime Family’s fault (With funding from none other than George Soros, obviously)
I don't know about you but I heard Covid was an experiment that was leaked out of a DC pizza place.
Actually ... former CDC Director said China.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-lab-theory-robert-redfield-no-evidence/
It's Jeffrey Epstein's fault. He's not dead. Members of the Bohemian Grove smuggled him out of prison and set him up on a remote Greek island.
Nobody is pointing at Putin?
You mean Russia's Sexiest Man, as "voted" by 17% female voters and 18% male voters?
Can we question the integrity of that vote?
It depends, how much do you value your life?
Best of both worlds...
Was the vote before or after this picture was released? It might make more sense.
Hey now!
Want to guess who Gretchen Whitmer's biggest fan is? Secretary of Energy, the one and only Jennifer Granholm. Remember her? Loves Whitmer. That way she moves down to #2 on the list!!
It was Michigan's turn in the batting order.
Seriously, as long as there are masses of people who haven't had Covid or haven't gotten the vaccine, this will happen. It's a matter of time.
Anyone know if it's the OG or a variant that is spreading?
According to at least one health system's Covid specialist (see below), it's largely driven by the B.1.1.7 ("UK") variant, mixed with reopenings of youth sports/schools. The cohort of positive patients is shifting younger and healthier, particularly as vaccinations are "chasing" the virus out of the low-hanging fruit demographic (i.e. older, sicker).
Dr. Justin Skrzynski, Covid hospitalist at Beaumont Hospital's Royal Oak,(i.e. specialist) (LINK)
"Right now, the regular Covid test we do -- that's still just showing Covid (or) no Covid," Skrzynski said. "But we do send a lot of those out to the state and we are seeing something like 40% of our patients now (with) B.1.1.7."
CDC Director Wallensky yesterday: (LINK and LINK)
We are learning that many outbreaks in young people are related to youth sports and extracurricular activities. According to CDC guidance, these activities should be limited, but if they are not, the risks of clusters can be prevented with cadence testing strategies, as are being rolled out in so many different places.
It’s interesting as sports in Ohio, Texas, indiana, florida never stopped. And now our Michigan kids are playing outdoors. Thousands of Michigan kids played across the southern border the entire time as well.
But we are not letting those Michigan kids get away with playing sports. They have to sign codes of conduct so that we can trace them in quarantine them and all of their families and friends. They can’t go to social gatherings can’t go to parties or church or anything. We will teach them.
You just can’t help yourself, can you? On the plus side, you didn’t throw in any random or completely unrelated mentions of abortion into your post this time, so probably an improvement all in all. Keep up the good work
Let's remember this when the idiot starts one of useless what's for dinner posts thinking we are his mates.
Dude even if I don’t agree with everything he says XM will always be my mate.
Name calling in this instance is unnecessary
Probably because the Michigan kids have been indoors more than Texas and Florida, but presumably Ohio and other Great Lakes states will start seeing similar trends once there is more community spread from a variant (unless the vaccinations are far enough along at that point).
Doubt you'd have seen the spike from the "original" strain at this point but there's plenty of randomness built in whether it's infection of an individual or broader population trends like this one. Until sufficient shots are in the arms, you jus mitigate risk, cross fingers, repeat.
And patient zero for B117 was one of our Wolverines
Well one hypothesis, is that state mandated everyone age 13 and up who plays sports (school or club or rec) to be tested every week or twice a week. So we have a hundred thousand asymptomatic kids being tested and popping where they wouldn’t be and aren’t in other states.
I think we need to look at the necessity of these tests when the most vulnerable have been vaccinated, is it just getting everyone up in alarm about a problem that isn’t as severe as a year to 3 months ago? I don’t know, I guess the death numbers in the next week will tell the story.
It’s more than this. We’re now seeing a significant increase in Covid hospital patients. Several cities are seeing positive test rates in the 15% range. This is not just an expanded dataset, it’s an outbreak.
I would argue that the restrictions on dining and other activities (now partly lifted) basically ended up pushing the outbreak back a few weeks.
1. A little slow rolling out the vaccine;
2. A variant that spreads faster than the wild type is doing its thing; and
3. A large enough number of Michiganians who don’t practice masking, physical distancing, etc. have allowed the variant to gain momentum.
I dont know but I just had it in the middle of March. I can only speculate that in my job, where we worked at near full capacity throughout, some of us started to get lax because it has swept through my plant pretty good. Stay home if you or a contact have any symptoms.
Clearly you missed that the governor quietly lifted ALL restrictions on underpants gnome activities.
Those little #$%^&* get around quite a bit from house to house and they aren't the most mindful of hygiene...
There is a pandemic going in. Been happening since about March of last year.
Michigan is the first state to have large concentrations of the B117 variant from the UK, which is much more contagious and infects children more than normal COVID. Regarding why we have more of it? Beats me. Probably the same reason Michigan got hit really early the first time. Something related to international travel/business?
Blame Canada.
They’re not even a real country anyway
evenyoubrutus
April 6th, 2021 at 9:09 PM ^
So in other words you're making tons of assumptions about millions of people to back up... wait for it... your narrative.
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TheCube
April 6th, 2021 at 9:15 PM ^
What the fuck else are you supposed to derive from data THAT stark? Holy shit.
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evenyoubrutus
April 6th, 2021 at 9:18 PM ^
That fewer people are sick?
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blue in dc
April 6th, 2021 at 10:20 PM ^
The state with the higher test positivity is doing less tests for each positive they see, According to your convoluted logic, that would mean less false positives not more. Since more symptomatic people almost certainly means more asymptomatic cases, that also doesn’t support your argument.
The only way to have a lower test positivity coupled with a higher actual rate of covid infections is to have a testing strategy that either avoids testing people who are likely to be positive, or focusing on people who are likely to be negative. That is why people generally presume that lower test positivity means a lower rate of infection, not because it feeds some preconceived notion. It is called math and logic. Try it some day and you may be amazed. Or maybe xtra could teach you, he has explained that his best credential of being “sciency” is that he cheated for teammates on stats tests.
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ahw1982
April 6th, 2021 at 7:40 PM ^
Sure:
Tests per 100k:
1. Vermont (9,880)
2. Rhode Island (8,363)
3. Massachusetts (7,713)
4. New York (4,669)
5. Alaska (4,645)
6. Minnesota (3,815)
7. Delaware (3,658)
8. New Hampshire (3,493)
9. Maryland (3,171)
10. New Jersey (3,143)
50. South Carolina (0???)
49. Mississippi (350)
48. Tennessee (447)
47. Oklahoma (536)
46. California (712)
45. Georgia (765)
44. Alabama (916)
43. Arkansas (922)
42. Missouri (1,004)
41. South Dakota (1,060)
40. Kansas (1,181)
Though test positivity is probably a better indicator of underreported cases:
1. Michigan (15%)
2. South Dakota (10%)
3. New Jersey (9%)
4. Pennsylvania (9%)
5. Nebraska (9%)
6. Maryland (8%)
7. Florida (8%)
8. Tennessee (8%)
9. Minnesota (7%)
10. West Virginia (7%)
50. South Carolina (0%???)
49. California (2%)
48. Arkansas (2%)
47. New Mexico (2%)
46. Hawaii (2%)
45. Massachusetts (2%)
44. Rhode Island (2%)
43. Mississippi (3%)
42. Kansas (3%)
41. Louisiana (3%)
40. Kentucky (3%)
With high cases per capita and high test positivity, one thing is for sure, Michigan is a much bigger outlier here than just the cases per capita suggest.
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