Least talked about player so far this fall...
I believe he was an old wooden ship used in the civil war era
You're thinking about Diversity.
Andrew Robinson Freshman LS
I think it might be Bobby Henderson or Francois Montbrun which is a shame because they have great names
No really it's my guess for starting rb drake (who turns down a coffee cake?) johnson
Love the drake
Hate the Drake
Is that Drake's coffee cake?
What about the Drakette?
I miss Drake's...
I say Wormley. Or Gant.
Francois Montbrun - freshman walk-on safety
Hello, Mrs. Montbrun. Good to see you!
Montbrun is from Ispheming. I had a bunch of friends up there back in the day, although they were Hematites, and he is apparently a Patriot.
He definitely deserves to be talked about more, for the name alone.
I watched Ishpeming in their recent back to back state championship games. They beat Detroit Loyola both times with Malik McDowell on Loyola the first one. They were undersized but tough and gritty. Loyola had close to 300lb lineman and Ishpeming had little 140-150 pounders. Interesting though in the second championship game Loyola had to pass alot to try to come from behind. Ishpeming had a lock down secondary and the announcers spent a majority of the broadcast noting this and complementing their coaches.
Mason Cole is currently holding his own at this position. Peppers could see time at this spot as well. As soon as he's done nickel and dimming offenses.
Plus 1 for that, Sir.
Before clicking on this, I already thought Ross myself. I was hoping among hopes that this would be the year he would make a run for All B1G status.
I'm pleasantly surprised to year some RJS buzz, though. Sounds like things are clicking for him.
RJS was always a guy I rooted for. He was raw, and needed A LOT of college coaching. Hearing some buzz around him finally is great. He could be poised for a solid year in the rotation.
Reon Dawson and Strobel. Not too surprised about Dawson with all the talent at corner and him not being a highly rated recruit but nothing at all on him.
A little surprised about Strobel with the accolades he came to the program with.
Reon Dawson is in a sling and is so contact during camp.
Antonio Whitfield. The shortest player in Michigan Football history.
|18||Antonio Whitfield||RB||5-4||156||SO||Canal Winchester, Ohio (Canal Winchester)|
He passed 2010-2011 walk on kicker Jeremy Ross (5'5) for the title.
that he's even shorter and more lighthearted than Denard!
He's shorter than my 11 year old daughter. We marveled at his stature at the UTL scrimmage.
Your eleven-year old daughter is tall!
She's taller than me and wears a women's size 10 shoes. That is big. She wants to be 5' 10".
Yikes. Hopefully she doesn't get too tall.
At the right my 8 year old is going, she might be taller than him soon as well. She's almost 4'8" and just turned 8 in June.
What's your source for this? I'll bet the shortest-ever Michigan football player isn't known as the heights for many players from the early years aren't available.
I did a quick search and found a Hercules Renda, a halfback in the late 1930s listed in the Bentley database at 5-4. An mgoblue.com obit on him actually has him at 5-3, but even they don't call him the shortest ever:
Renda may have been one of the shortest football players in U-M history, standing only 5-3, but his speed and quickness plus his 17-inch calves made him an extremely tough running back to tackle.
I used my roster database I use for my superguide. I just used the sort feature for heights from shortest to tallest.
Only thing is that it goes back to 1949 because its base is from the MGoBlue stastical archive because I used it to help mold my statistical record book.
There probably were much shorter guys in the 1800s. The problem is, those details were never recorded.
Eventually I'm going to have to expand my database manually using Bentley to avoid dumb mistakes like this. Thanks for the correction!
Did a double take when I saw him on the field. Just think we all thought Vincent Smith was small.
Tyrone Butterfield... Lived next door to him my freshman year. He would be happy to be listed at 5 foot 5, much less 5 foot eight (officially)
Another of the guys that seems to be conveniently forgotten when people start listing how "important" wearing the #1 has always been. Before Braylon, that number just got handed out to freshman just like any other number.
People keep dissin my time with the #1 jersey. Not cool.
That's about how big they get in Canal Winchester.
My 12yo son is 5'4", 145lbs....
Dymonte Thomas, honestly...
It's much too early to conclude his star is extinguishing but it's also too late to begin *entertaining* the possibility that it might extinguish before shining again.
I'm worried about him. The only positivity about him comes from ignoramuses like us, who predict things about starting lineups in April and whine when they're not that way in August. The coaches stopped celebrating him a long time ago. And yet his position is the defense's weakest and shallowest. What's his problem? Not athleticism! Or size! I hope it isn't smarts. But I by now entertain that isn't impossible.
he's another one. quite depressing actually
Looking at his recruiting write up, Brian pretty much said Dymonte had all the athletic tools but would probably take some time to figure it out as a DB. He was compared to Stevie Brown in that he might not figure out the safety position until later but has the physical skills to be an NFL quality talent. His seeming "lack of development" worries me less than someone who we thought would come in and have an instant impact and we ended up not hearing about at all.
But the reason I think it is worrisome is not for fear of him not panning out, but the mere fact that we are limited at quality safety options if he doesn't pan out. Truth be told, I wouldn't mind seeing Countess move back to safety if he is indeed behind Peppers, Lewis, and Taylor. Stribling would be able to hold his own as a 4th CB.
I know Countess is only 5'10, 185, but Jeremy Clark is razor thin also at 6'4 200 pounds.
Bolden is a beast. Ryan is a beast. Peppers is a beast. Lewis is a beast.
Let's face it, Willie Henry is a beast. Frank Clark is also a beast. From what some are saying, Pipkins is a beast. Maurice Hurst Jr.- beast.
You can't have all your starters be outright beasts. It just doesn't happen that often. It doesn't mean he is going to suck though.
ALL tHE BEASTS beLONgs to US !!!!!
Houma/Kerridge. I saw them discussed recently on the front page but that is it.
I believe the reason for that may be that fullbacks are deemphasized in Nussmeier's offense.
Agree with the Ross observation...I was guessing that before i clicked on also. Im guessing it has something to do with all the focus on this bolden/Morgan competition when it really doesnt mean much as they will both be playing alot. Throw in the hype about Jake Ryan switching to the middle and there really isnt much reason for reporters to ask questions about the SAM position when asking LB questions. In reality, alot of the preseason hype comes as response to reporters specific questions so if there isnt a question about it then little gets said on the topic.
Random thought: Who is our FG holder now that Dileo is gone?
Kenny Allen, most likely. He was listed as the backup last year.
I thought I saw Shane holding in the scrimmage video.
Well, Kenny Allen is also the backup FG kicker and presumably can't be the holder for himself. Shane must have been in when Allen kicked as he had a few FG attempts during the scrimmage.
to have Shane in as the holder if the coaches ever wanted to get crazy and try a fake?
I was thinking this too. Plus with Shane as a Lefty and holding for a right footed kicker, when he picks up the ball his shoulders are already square. He would not have to turn like a right handed passer would in that situation.
Incorrect, sir. The snap could go to Kenny Allen, and he could dropkick it through for a PAT/FG.
Why he would do this, I do not know. But it is legal!
Both Shane and Kenny Allen held during the scrimmage on Saturday depending on the offense on the field.
They both held?
Nuss is really getting creative with alignments...
Bisquiteen Trisket - University of Michigan
Jammie Jammie-Jammie - Ohio State
Not a Michigan player or opponent, but A. A. Ron Balakay - Moorehouse St.
I agree with this. There has at least been a little discussion about Ross getting passed up, but I haven't heard a single thing about Bars.
From what I've seen of Bars (2 practices and 2 spring games), there is reason to not discuss him. In my opinion, if he plays at all, it will be in his fifth year. He's not close to being ready.
Maize'N'Brew talked about him a little bit in their assessment of the defense - HERE
James Ross has been good to great for two years now, but again, his competition is more athletic and rounding out his mental game. I don't seen the 'loser' of the Bolden/Morgan battle stealing this position simply because Ross and Jenkins-Stone are both more suited to taking on lead blockers and making the physical play, meaning whoever wins between Ross and Jenkins-Stone will play for quite some time.
I always thought JRIII got plowed in the run game, or swallowed up by lineman...
I think he meant take on blocks from tight ends and fullbacks instead of guards, because youre right that Ross has struggled at times when not properly covered by DTs up front.
At this point, the defense is about as good as it's been since 2006 in my opinion. The 2011 crew were a bunch of overachievers.
We lack a top end pass rusher (like 2006 Woodley) but we make up for it in having 3-4 quality CBs (instead of one in Leon Hall). The D Line is a deep rotation of young talent and the linebackers go 2 deep at every position with little to no dropoff.
Give it another year and it will be impossible to move the ball on this group in 2015. Once Taco Charlton becomes a junior it's f*cking on.
I really haven't heard much about Taco Charleton. He was talked about being a man child last year.
That size and athleticism, he's going to be a beast. Hopefully we start to see it this year. I'm impatient.
Any hype was based on his size and athleticism alone. I was under the impression that it was common knowledge that Taco was a project coming in who needed to be coached up.
Ian Bunting. I know he's a freshman but with the Jake Butt injury I thought maybe he'd be Funchess 2.0. Not to mention he RAPS fir God sakes. And has big hands. Giant big hands.
I know who id love to hear more about..I think it would be a great thing if Taco becomes a playmaker..has the physical ability to dominate some games if sll goes well
Watched him a lot on Saturday. Played with second and third teams. Nothing stood out but I'm a novice. He is huge. Always heard that but this time I wasn't in my usual seats under the scoreboard.
1. Channing Stribling 1A. Taco Pants
with Butt out I thought he might get an increased role.
Thats a good one - was hoping we'd hear more about Hill but he is a RS FR
He ran a lot of out routes Saturday night. Surprisingly so. I think he's keeping Butt's role warm until he returns.
This is an interesting question.
On the offense -- the FB position has gone down the memory hole. Nothing.
On the defense -- Taco Charleton.
An element of this is the "shadow effect" ... who is not being talked about because someone else is being talked about a lot. Not sure how much that's affecting things, though.
Taco Charlatan: deception artist.
Johnny Manziel.....he's never in the news.
If actually are going to run 2 TE sets, the guy that's been conspicuously missing from mentions is AJ Williams. He had some good reps in the "Michigan Drill" on CTK, but that's basically been it. He will be every bit as important to the run game as the OL, so hopefully the blocking improvement we saw isn't a fluke.
about Mario Ojemudia?
My thought as well.
Dymonte Thomas seems to have vanished as well
Honestly, I haven't heard much on how JMFR is adapting to middle linebacker. Is he just still beast and it's just not surprising so we shouldn't expect anything different.
I guess I just expected to hear more about the Senior.
He received a lot of praise from Matyison a few days ago, basically saying that JMFR is going to kill it from the mlb spot. I agree though that there hasn't been too much analysis on here about his transition.
How about my man Anthony Dalimonte ? He's reppin the gingers well.
Bisquiteen Trisket, University of Michigan
Until Saturday night, my guy would have been Miller. He was the forgotten man after his 4 game showing got him benched last Fall. I heard little about him during the Spring or thereafter. However, when i watched the Michigan Drill on one of the Countdown days i kept noticing #60 was mauling guys. I checked his measurables and, sure enough, he's bigger...appears stronger and just might be our center for the season. That would allow Glasgow to move to his more natural guard position--given his height.
Shallman, K Hill, Beyer, Chesson, Taco, Kerridge, Houma
Hill has a boo boo apparently.
That's Delano Hill.
A name I think we'll become increasingly used to hearing. Plus, Ben Gedeon, though who can complain with Ryan, Bolden, Ross, and Morgan holding down the fort?
For a girl!
We can just say anyone who plays SDE.
Started reading this thread, and I've agreed with just about everyone mentioned... then realized that just about everyone outside of the OL, secondary, and JMFR has been mentioned. Let's face it, the media focuses in on the top few story lines and beats the crap out of those.
Guy goes from all conference to suspended and back to starter and should be a strength of the team. Should at least merit some sort of Wojo level puff piece on adversity and growth or whatever at some point this season.
Stribling. I liked what I saw from him last year as much as I liked from Lewis.
Of guys who came in with decent pedigrees - Bars (4 star) and Strobel (4 star) from the class of 2012 along with Allen Gant (3 star) are rarely discussed.
Not that every guy is going to hit in every class but right now of our 2012s who remain on team (Ringer gone), those are the 3 who seem to be not tracking great with Bars and Strobel the two highest rated.
Dymonte Thomas gets talk so disagree there.
Terry Richardson gets little discussion considering he was a 4 star who programs like Alabama were interested in. Delonte Hollowell seems to have been passed by the younger guys.
Excluding 2013 OL, Jaron Dukes and Reon Dawson seem to be the 2 least discussed. Rarely hear about Khalid Hill but I assume it is due to unsexy position. Mike McCray sort of gets passing discussion from time to time but seems to be the 7th LB so not that much talk.
Should add of the guys expected to be impactful almost the entire DE outside of Clark is quiet - don't hear much about Taco, Beyer or Mario. Hear a lot about Clark and some rumblings about Poggi. Ross seems to have won the job again but have heard very little about him - RJS you heard about in spring but in fall camp very little.
Stribling talk has also been quiet compared to last year when he was the guy they taked about having instincs and making plays in the closed practices. Don't hear much about Chesson in the WR corps from practices.
I wanted to say Dymonte, but I realize that the expectations that were put on him were unfair, the kid is only a sophomore. I just thought he was going to pull down one of the safety positions with his athleticism.
...anyone got a depth chart link?
Well, he was hurt last year, wasn't he? Now he has been getting some good buzz coming into this season finally healthy again.