Joe Milton Transfers
February 18th, 2021 at 11:04 AM ^
February 18th, 2021 at 11:05 AM ^
Sucks to see him go but on a side note, that’s awesome that he graduated in three years
February 18th, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^
I'm on record not being a huge fan of Harbaugh's roster management, but one of his priorities appears to be encouraging guys to graduate quickly. This provides all kinds of advantages for everyone, notably the players, who have flexibility as grad transfers if things aren't working out great here. They get a Michigan degree and still have the opportunity to go somewhere else as a free transfer and contribute, possibly for two more years.
Michigan has a lot of guys doing this. It's a win-win-win, IMO. Good for Joe.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:34 AM ^
If you enroll early and max out spring and summer credits you can easily graduate after your Junior year. Here is a plan to get to 120 credits by then.
Early Enrollee Winter: 12 credits
Spring: 6 credits
Summer; 6 credits
Freshman Fall: 12 credits
Freshman Winter: 12 credits
Spring: 6 credits
Summer; 6 credits
Sophmore Fall: 12 credits
Sophmore Winter: 12 credits
Spring: 6 credits
Summer; 6 credits
Junior Fall: 12 credits
Junior Winter: 12 credits
February 18th, 2021 at 11:58 AM ^
I am not discounting intelligence in any way but just sheer course load AND being a student athlete in a demanding sport. Is it manageable?
February 18th, 2021 at 12:17 PM ^
Obviously it is, or it wouldn't be that common. It may be a full time job to be an athlete, but there are plenty of us who were full time students during college.
They also get access to tutors and preferential access to classes too (you know they do).
Not to mention the same drive that makes these guys top level athletes probably helps them push through classes some young people might give up on.
I don't know why you mention IQ at all. Graduating college seemed more tied to the willingness to do the work and the unwillingness to quit than any particular genius on the students part.
February 18th, 2021 at 5:32 PM ^
Are you telling me top level athletes have more drive in the classroom than the average UM student?
February 18th, 2021 at 6:28 PM ^
Than an M student? I don't know, I didn't go there.
I'm sure there a bunch of different buckets of students that get into Michigan. Higher drive than the ones who got in on their merits and no other special considerations? Probably not. I have no clue what percentage of students that represents.
I know I couldn't have got in on merit. I remember going on a study date with the salutatorian in high school. She was smart and cute too. Imagine my chagrin when I found out a study date actually meant studying to her. She wasn't salutatorian for nothing.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:19 PM ^
12 credits in fall/winter is the minimum to be considered a full time student.
6 credits in spring/summer is the maximum if I recall correctly.
If you took 16 credits in the first three Winter Semesters you could graduate after the Fall of your Junior year.
That is the credit math to get there.
Time management, academic rigor, academic support, sports participation are all individual factors that may make this plan unattainable.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:22 PM ^
Keep in mind that these guys, as a result, also spend their entire year on campus. If they were going to do that anyway, might as well take a couple classes. If they weren't, it keeps them on campus, training in the weight room, accessing first-class medical care, staying connected with their teammates, etc. So there are competitive advantages to this.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:40 PM ^
I have a very close family friend who has a son on scholarship at Duke. I'm not saying it's easy, but they have told me the amount of academic support the student athletes get is ridiculous. Their exact words were "You would have to purposely try to fail to actually fail any class". And that is at Duke.
February 18th, 2021 at 1:05 PM ^
I have a friend whose grandson was on scholarship at USC and was an excellent FB player a few years ago who said basically the same thing. It goes on everywhere whether it's UM, Duke, USC, etc,..... A scholarship kid (especially in football and basketball) has to really work hard to fail AT ANY SCHOOL with bigtime athletic programs
February 18th, 2021 at 4:41 PM ^
So really Tate was an over achiever!
February 18th, 2021 at 4:50 PM ^
A member of the UM women's golf team who was in a section I taught back in 1999 told me essentially the same thing.
February 18th, 2021 at 2:34 PM ^
Is it manageable?
I'm a small sample size but i wouldn't have been for me when I was an undergrad.
I wonder of student athletes getting flexibility on submitting work and having additional academic resources assigned to them helps bridge any manageability gaps?
February 18th, 2021 at 11:45 AM ^
Yes. That sometimes gets lost in the overall criticism of Harbaugh.
February 18th, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^
That's a good point. But getting back to roster management, we can see the downside of this open door situation too. Now we go into the season with only two serviceable QB's and one is a true freshmen. Last year we had to play more than one walk-on LB. Generally, if experienced guys are leaving in large numbers, it also can make it harder for the team to win.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:36 AM ^
Yeah good for Joe BUT how about holding him responsible for making statements on social media about hanging 50 points against the university that gave him the opportunity to complete his degree in 3 years! Hold people accountable for their actions that affect others instead of congratulating selfishness in our society. Would that not be the TRUE PROGRESSIVE way for a progressive fan base?
February 18th, 2021 at 11:44 AM ^
If you take that shit to heart, you should stop following these kids on social media. It really isn't that serious.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:59 AM ^
That and adults following kids on social media is just weird.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:56 AM ^
I don't think he said that on social media. He supposedly said that on the sideline during a game, but that has never been confirmed AFAIK.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:56 PM ^
So he actually said on the sideline of a game, that he played in, that he was gonna leave and hang 50 on the same guys he was competing with? Yeah OK.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^
What the hell is your problem? What does this have to do with progressives, you asshole?
Bonus point: He never said that on social media.
You're the Parler of board posters.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^
Post less.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:23 PM ^
Smile more.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^
Sounds like a plan - let’s start with holding *you* accountable for your blisteringly stupid take. What do you suggest??
February 18th, 2021 at 2:23 PM ^
My God what an absolutely deranged response. Peoples obsesion with interjecting politics into everything is so disturbing. I can't imagine going through life that way, I can't imagine you're a very happy person.
February 18th, 2021 at 3:49 PM ^
The guy isn't even a Michigan alum, it's a wonder why he even cares...
February 18th, 2021 at 11:06 AM ^
And as we go on, we remember, all the times we, had togetherrrrrr
February 18th, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^
Another turning point, a fork stuck in the road.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^
I heard a recent high school grad recently say that the finalists for their class song were "hey look ma" by Panic! At the Disco and "Tuesday's gone" by Lynyrd Skynyrd. Interesting contrast, but I'll allow it.
Good luck to Joe. If Cade's shoulder doesn't hold up then JJ might be the longest tenured starter since Henne, IMO.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:06 PM ^
We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when
/oldschool
February 18th, 2021 at 2:08 PM ^
“/oldschool” unnecessary considering username and picture check out! Haha
February 18th, 2021 at 11:06 AM ^
Justin Feagin Transfers
February 18th, 2021 at 11:09 AM ^
That joke doesnt really fit here. What more could have been in the title?
February 18th, 2021 at 11:22 AM ^
I'm grasping at straws here: maybe Joe Milton will transfer. I suppose he hasn't really transfered yet, so Joe Milton Transfers is not really accurate. Joe Milton enters transfer portal?
These are all only marginally better.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:06 PM ^
That’s what I was going for.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:08 AM ^
Good luck to Joe, a shame it didn't work out here at Michigan, but luckily he thrives in a different system.
I think 2021 quarterback battle will be....interesting. I really hope JJ gets a real opportunity to compete and win the starting job. We are seeing more and more in College Football of younger quarterbacks coming in and thriving.
February 18th, 2021 at 12:30 PM ^
100% agree. Everyone wants us to have that game changing QB.
Game changing QB's that can put you into national title contention usually started their freshman years or probably should've or could've started. Jalen Hurts, Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Baker Mayfield (as a walk-on true frosh!!). Hell, Saban threw in Tua as a true frosh in the national title game to win it all.
Georgia probably shouldn't have benched Fields but it at least made sense with them having Fromme. Kyler Murray sat behind Kyle Allen (awful decision in retrospect as it led to his transfer from A&M) and Jalen Hurts before he started; I'd bet against Cade reaching the level of Jalen Hurts. Jameis Winston sat his freshman year behind an EJ Manuel that got drafted in the first round; highly doubt Cade is an NFL first rounder. Dwayne Haskins sat behind JT Barrett; I don't think Cade is having the career Barrett did. OSU rolled with Haskins instead of Burrow; again, Cade isn't becoming a first round pick like Haskins.
History shows you roll with the high potential freshman unless you have a returning high-level QB. If JJ is the real deal like everyone is touting him to be, he shouldn't be sitting behind a Cade McNamarra who's had one good half to show for against RUTGERS.
February 18th, 2021 at 6:45 PM ^
Is it too much to ask for a good qb? I like how some act like its impossible for Michigan to have a good qb. Good thing Harbaugh got an extension just based on his last name ?
February 18th, 2021 at 5:16 PM ^
If my sports fandom luck stays true in 2021, Joe Milton will transfer to OSU and win the Heisman in a campaign that includes an unrelenting uncorking of dead-on deep bombs against Michigan's secondary for 500+ yards in the air. He will also gain 200+ yards on the ground because he executes every read option perfectly, because of course all his apparent shortcomings get some sort of Uno reverse card when he goes to The Upside Down in Columbus.
Luckily, Michigan will still manage to get to a bowl game, whereupon we will get completely shutout by Arizona.
Joe doesn't need luck, he just needs to devour our bad luck on his way out of town.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:08 AM ^
More reps for J.J. I don't know how much better Joe will get as a QB. I think South Florida or UCF would be good destinations for him.
Best of luck Joe. Bring on the Cade vs McCarthy competition.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:08 AM ^
This is a bit bizarre to me. Unless the coaching staff said they plan on moving forward with Cade already, and that Milton will be battling for the 2 spot with McCarthy, I don't understand this move by him. Good luck to him, and congrats on the degree.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:19 AM ^
I really hope they plan on moving forward with McCarthy as the #1 with McNamara as the #2.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
I hope the staff's plan isn't to rely on a true freshman to start the 1st game... That's how you end up losing to a MAC team.
February 18th, 2021 at 11:57 AM ^
What’s the difference between a true freshman at QB and Milton who played like a true freshman?
February 18th, 2021 at 12:52 PM ^
Is there a third option?
February 18th, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^
He knows he won't be the starter, barring injury, so he wants to move on. Very simple, he realizes Cade is the better QB
February 18th, 2021 at 11:55 AM ^
So Milton > McCaffrey (McCaffrey transfers), McNamara > Milton (Milton transfers), all of which is decided before spring practice in 2 consecutive years? I'm not buying it. There's something wrong with the equation somewhere.
February 19th, 2021 at 12:37 AM ^
Bingo!