Indiana Snowflakes: The Coaching
November 6th, 2021 at 10:57 PM ^
Really need that week to heal. Looked like a decently called game on both sides of the ball.
November 6th, 2021 at 10:58 PM ^
Offensively we don't out-scheme anyone.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:14 PM ^
Because Harbaugh prefers body blows and out-toughing them. Didn't work vs Tucker...
November 6th, 2021 at 11:32 PM ^
We outgained MSU 552-395.
November 7th, 2021 at 12:21 AM ^
Who cares if we out gain opponents when we leave 4 TDs on the field every game? Michigan's redzone performance this season is atrocious
November 7th, 2021 at 12:36 AM ^
Your attitude is atrocious. Lighten up, Francis.
November 7th, 2021 at 10:29 AM ^
agree, but he does have a point--86th in red zone performance entering last nights game, and I'll bet we fell a couple more spots
November 7th, 2021 at 10:51 AM ^
You must love Field Goals huh?
November 7th, 2021 at 2:34 PM ^
Agree 100%
playcalling is a joke in the red zone
the qbs get a blitz and they have no idea where to go for a hot read OR situational awareness to throw the ball away.
we have the 2nd most resOne FGs in D1 football and people want to say it isn’t an issue.
November 7th, 2021 at 5:07 AM ^
MSU won the 4th qtr
November 7th, 2021 at 6:51 AM ^
This site has had an infatuation with yards between the 20’s dating back to the RR years.
There are average teams all over the country putting up big yards and losing a lot. It’s 2021. Yards are pretty much there for the taking between the 20’s in college football.
Red Zone offense
explosive Plays
turnovers
those 3 stats tell the story far more than yards.
November 7th, 2021 at 8:11 AM ^
"There are average teams all over the country putting up big yards and losing a lot."
Actually, there is a very strong correlation with gaining more yards and winning. It was ever thus, and likely will always be.
November 7th, 2021 at 1:01 PM ^
Our armchair P5 coaches can't let facts get in the way of their narrative...
November 6th, 2021 at 11:54 PM ^
Doesn't work against teams that are equal or have better talent.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:27 PM ^
This just isn't true (and I think the RPS numbers on this site are a feedback loop that reinforce this belief).
Brock Huard showed how Haskins' 62 yard zone stretch run setup the play action zone stretch TD to Schoonmaker. One play directly led to the success of another and got us a red zone TD. The long bomb to CJ was another out-scheme moment. We would have had another red zone TD on his corner route if Vastardis/Zinter could have held off McFadden for long enough.
Our offensive coaches out-schemed plenty tonight. I don't get the doom and gloom from this fanbase.
November 7th, 2021 at 1:13 AM ^
I loved the two TE TDs. I can't wait for Hall to be there. We seem to have few good plays in RZ. More hope.
November 7th, 2021 at 2:06 AM ^
What don’t you get? We haven’t won the conference in 14 years, and Harbaugh is 3-4 against MSU and 0-5 against OSU. Purdue has more top-5 wins this season than Harbaugh has in 7 years. I will happily shut up if we go 11-1 but that just doesn’t seem likely with this staff.
November 7th, 2021 at 6:45 AM ^
Because most of us on this website know from past performances and odds that the inevitable beatdown is coming. Love UM, a fan for 52 years but nothing I have seen this year is any different than past years during the Harbaugh beatdown era.
November 7th, 2021 at 10:22 AM ^
“The Harbaugh era” : we haven’t beaten osu in 18 years (against .500 post-tressel sanctioned osu fickels excepted). I’m pretty sure we also haven’t won the Big10 in that same length of time. Dang! Harbaugh sure has been here a long time! “The Harbaugh era” shit is, well, just that: shit. The 21st century would be a better understanding.
(And don’t bother looking back to late 20th, I can save you the time: there was 1997, and everything else looked like “the Harbaugh era”, averaging 9-3 and a bowl loss, except that only osu was good in the Big and osu was only better than everyone else, M included, by a reachable amount back then, and MSU in particular was a shit show since 1970 or so.)
November 7th, 2021 at 10:25 AM ^
Harbaugh wasn’t paid close to 8 million dollars a year to consistently lose to OSU and MSU go 9-4 and lose the Capital One bowl. This is revisionist history.
November 7th, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^
Are you cutting the checks? If not then why does matter? If Michigan was paying another coach 2-3mm a year to lose to Ohio State would that make you feel better?
November 7th, 2021 at 1:02 PM ^
I mean yeah... inherently because it would be a coach that didn't just come fresh off a superbowl appearance with all the hype. You had Skip Bayless proclaiming that Harbaugh was already the best coach in college second to Nick Saban when he came back to Michigan. Your revisionist history nonsense has been ridiculous.
November 7th, 2021 at 5:11 PM ^
This is a straw man. My point is you didn’t pay Saban money for Pelini results. He hasn’t lived up to expectations.
November 7th, 2021 at 1:13 PM ^
The only thing you have shown is that Harbaugh has a better overall record than the two worst coaches in the history of this program. Otherwise, he doesn’t win important games. That’s a fact. If you say that historically we never win important games, then ok. I find both unacceptable.
November 6th, 2021 at 10:59 PM ^
I don’t know which snowflake thread this belongs in but I think we knew going into this game Indiana was down too many guys to hang with us tonight. That game was French vanilla
November 6th, 2021 at 11:22 PM ^
I have always thought it's weird that you've got this edict here that all post-game thoughts must be in one of four designated threads, but there is no actual thread for what most people want to do after the game:
Provide their general thoughts about the game, how it went, what they liked, didn't like etc.
So that tends to just get thrown into the Coaching thread for lack of an alternative..meanwhile the Special Teams thread gets like no posts unless a MSU 2015 happens.
I don't know why there wouldn't just be a 'post-game discussion' thread, and if someone wants to create a thread for defense and offense separately..then so be it, but if not then not. Rigidity and process fixation aren't good things for a football team *or* a message board.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:57 PM ^
You eat when we say you eat. You shit when we say you shit. You post where we say you post. You got that, you maggot dick motherf***er?
/s
November 7th, 2021 at 12:44 AM ^
Or you could wait until the front page game recap is posted and comment there.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:00 PM ^
Congrats to the team overall. At times, the game was ugly. In the end there are things to learn from and prepare for PSU. Let's hope Corum and the others injuries are very minor and they can play next week,
November 6th, 2021 at 11:25 PM ^
Angelique said Corum was in a walking boot. Hoping it's just a precaution.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:00 PM ^
For whatever reason, the offense under Harbaugh (almost) always looks disjointed and sloppy. And I'll never understand the fixation on running between the tackles.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:13 PM ^
This is just a dumb take. If you don’t understand running between the tackles you don’t know much about football. You can’t make a living constantly trying to run around the edge on defenses. Especially an odd criticism when we gashed them on the ground today.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:22 PM ^
I really am curious. In which game did Michigan try to "make a living running around the edges"?
Genuine question.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:32 PM ^
Probably none because our coaches aren’t dumb enough to avoid running between the tackles like you suggest.
November 7th, 2021 at 12:37 PM ^
I think he’s just saying every run doesn’t have to run between the tackles. He’s saying this looks more like a Lloyd Carr/Kirk Ferentz/Dantonio offense as opposed to a spread.
November 7th, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
Don't know many Carr offenses that reliably put up 30+ points a game, but alright then.
If you think this offense is even remotely similar to a Carr offense you don't know football. Running =/= bad/outdated football.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:04 PM ^
Exactly what everyone should expect. I don't like that the team goes kind of vanilla in these mid-level games that are easy wins, but that's what they do, and it worked fine.
I was really disappointed that they called the TO on that loooong count fourth down. I actually liked the snap at the last second a lot--let the defense get bored waiting for the long count and then snap it anyway. I'm disappointed that we showed this here and not in a bigger game.
Anyway: the choice of the staff to go with Cade over JJ has been vindicated. JJ is ridiculously talented, but he has happy feet in the pocket and doesn't make his reads quickly. Cade's game was decidedly mixed, but he is a lot less likely to do dumb stuff.
As long as Michigan doesn't lose these gap games (and there's only one more, at Maryland) before big ones, I'm ok with them taking it easy from the game plan department ahead of big games in following weeks.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:06 PM ^
Yep. We all want fireworks, but it's not uncommon to lose these kinds of games. Avoid major injuries, get your backups sometime, get a comfortable win, move on to next week. Boring, but effective. Mission accomplished. Now: Penn State.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:28 PM ^
I share your disappointment that we didn't run that play. When they snapped it I was like damn that was creative! And then the timeout happened and was like "WTF why?!?!".
November 7th, 2021 at 6:48 AM ^
It was stupid IMO to run that long count on 4th and 1 in that position on the field. IU knew we weren't going to actually run the play and it just ended up wasting a timeout. Save it for some other game situation and don't waste it in a game like this.
November 7th, 2021 at 1:42 AM ^
JJ's panic attack deep in his own territory was enough for me. Its Cade's team, sprinkle in some JJ if you want but he's not ready to be Michigan's QB full time yet.
November 7th, 2021 at 8:47 AM ^
Its Cade's team, sprinkle in some JJ if you want but he's not ready to be Michigan's QB full time yet.
Cool…I mean, like, that’s what they’ve been doing.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:04 PM ^
It wasn’t all that pretty, but we won handily after a tough loss and before another big game next week. So all in all, good job. Get healthy please and ready for Penn State…
But what in the damn hell was that nonsense that transpired where we wasted a timeout? I want an answer to that because that was one of the dumbest things I can remember when it comes to using a timeout.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:34 PM ^
The answer to your question is pretty simple:
- We tried to draw them offsides for 38 of the 40 seconds on the play clock, which either gets us a free 5 yards if they jump or lulls them into a false sense of security that we won't snap the ball.
- Once the play clock was low, we did snap it - a SURPRISE and it worked because Indiana expected us to take the delay of game or call a timeout.
- Unfortunately, Harbaugh was either worried we weren't going to get the play off before the delay of game or changed his mind about going for it, so he called a timeout.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:53 PM ^
- Unfortunately, Harbaugh was either worried we weren't going to get the play off before the delay of game or changed his mind about going for it, so he called a timeout.
Still dumb because a delay of game just gives the punter a little more room to kick it normally and not bomb it through the end zone. If they ran the damn play it was an easy first down and probably a 20+ yard gain.
November 7th, 2021 at 6:35 AM ^
that would have been a hell of a punt, to “bomb it through the end zone,” seeing as how we were on our own 30.
November 7th, 2021 at 10:30 AM ^
My bad, I misremembered the yard line we were on. Not a whole lot of memorable things on offense from that game other than the end result, this play, and Haskins.
November 7th, 2021 at 12:01 AM ^
The timeout to stop our own first down made me roll my eyes so hard you’d think I was the undertaker.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:06 PM ^
Nobody is afraid of the scheme or being out smarted.
November 6th, 2021 at 11:07 PM ^
Michigan won, Michigan covered. Biggest concern is the injuries.