I admit it I'm confused

Submitted by Ziff72 on
I was reading inside The Fort and for the 126th time in the last 3 years I have seen a post or a thread or a mention on the radio about these mystery forces behind the scenes conspiring to take Mich football down. I like to think I'm pretty smart and logical, but I have to say I don't understand how things work at the University of Mich. Here is my logic. If someone can explain some of this, I'd really appreciate it. 1. RR has been under fire from day 1, if these people have power how did Martin get this hire approved?? 2. Why do they not like him?? Like I said it has been from day 1 so I'm guessing not football related. Hillbilly factor, they didn't get their guy? 3. How do they exert pressure?? Is it money only?? If Brandon and MSC like him what can these people really do?? 4. Why can't anyone call them out??

jonny_GoBlue

February 26th, 2010 at 10:14 AM ^

I have to figure that whoever didn't bother mentioning for over a year that they weren't receiving the practice logs from the coaching staff is in the anti-Rich Rod camp. I really want to burn that camp down to the ground.

jonny_GoBlue

February 26th, 2010 at 10:35 AM ^

I hear ya, definitely seems like a stretch. At the same time though, how else do you explain it? Someone in the office either wasn't doing there job OR Rich Rod (and/or coaching staff) ignored the offices requests for the logs. There's probably something I'm missing here but until it's explained to us by the University or NCAA this is what I'm sticking with. Is it September yet?

maizenbluenc

February 26th, 2010 at 12:19 PM ^

Paragraph 5. b. in th allegations: between Jan 08 and May 09: 16 months! How does this person making $60K not get the forms required to keep our program in compliance with NCAA CARA bylaws. Hey, maybe said person sent memos to the football progam administrators, and the administrators didn't reply, BUT how do you let that go on for 16 months, and not escalate it to Bill Martin and Rich Rodriguez? If my job was to ensure collection of those forms, and I did nothing but send a few memos over 16 months, I'd be pretty sure I was going to be fired from my $60K a year job. You'd either have to be grossly negligent, or be running a little Machiavellian agenda. Still - it is real hard to believe, someone who is so against Rodriguez because of their [misguided partisan] love for the program, would stoop to sullying the program in this way just to get him out. You'd think the supposed "elitist, altruistic, Michigan Man-only" faction that we suspect is at play here [for whom our programs' reputation is of the utmost importance] would stop short of such a conspiracy. Either way, if I am David Brandon, that $60K a year job, is now going to some other Michigander who will be thankful to have it, and will work hard to keep it.

MGoJen

February 26th, 2010 at 10:48 AM ^

I think the presumption that this is merely a clerical/administrative mistake or oversight is a gross over-simplification. While it may be some lower-level employee's job to make sure X task is completed and its associated paperwork is submitted, ultimately that employee's manager/the department head is responsible for following through that it happened. I work at a university and am very familiar with this notion of a "chain of command" structure of responsibility. I suspect people higher up than some lady with a "cushy" job are responsible.

Topher

February 26th, 2010 at 10:49 AM ^

This is a very good point, but I think it can be explained with a closer look at the politics of an athletic dept: (a) If YOU didn't do YOUR job correctly, blowing the whistle on somebody ELSE is a good way to earn political brownie points and save your butt. Get the first story out, say your were coerced and all that. The press loves whistleblowers, especially when their jobs are at risk. Rick Neuheisel tried to do this by calling out the UW compliance director when he revealed a memo saying it was OK to bet on basketball pools. Rick got fired anyway, but so did the compliance director, and he won a lawsuit saying UW told him it was OK to break the rules. (b) Getting the coach canned, by overt action or passive-aggressive non-cooperation and foot-dragging, automatically neuters the coach's supporters and gives your side more political power. (c) The job security is better than you might think even if you do hate the football coach. There are lots of political factions within a D-I athletic department that protect themselves, so you might be small enough fry that you can avoid repercussions. In Michigan's case, anybody who gets flak for being anti-RR can simply call up the Free Press and the next day there will be a Drew Sharp column quoting an unnamed source that Nixonian techniques and pressure are being used against compliance employees in Schembechler Hall.

Irish

February 26th, 2010 at 10:52 AM ^

I agree with you, whenever anything at all negative happens it always comes back to some "faction" that is actively attacking the football program from inside the school. The problems never come from any mistakes made by the coaching staff, but some dark shadow laying in wait for the opportunity to hurt the football team. Its been pretty hard for me to believe it, but I will be interested in what answers you get to your original questions.

WichitanWolverine

February 26th, 2010 at 12:23 PM ^

I don't think we've brought in "marginal recruits at best" to fit the scheme. I think until this year we've had pretty stellar classes, and if you think those recruits aren't that great, you don't think that has to do with our lack of success? Yes Kelly and RR have brought in some 2-3 star guys, but I think that has more to do with both teams struggling as of late, not the spread itself.

blueblueblue

February 26th, 2010 at 10:29 AM ^

I admit also - #1 and 4 have also been baffling me. A 5th is Why didnt Martin or why cant Brandon call them out? My guess is that the structure of the AD as well as other upper echelons of the university is loosely coupled - acting more as silos than integrated. Perhaps as to #1, other units were not able to exert much direct influence on Martin in hiring RR, but they can do so in more underhanded, insidious ways. Also, related to #2, they probably didnt know just how much RR would change the system and institution that is Michigan Football. Brandon should make his first mark by calling people out. He needs to make the institutional structure fit what RR has changed in terms of the football structure.

Tacopants

February 26th, 2010 at 11:22 AM ^

We can't call them out because the burden of proof has to be carried by Michigan. Since its illegal and unethical to wiretap people's phones and hack their email, you can only be suspicious of people you think are working against you. I'm sure the people working against Rich Rod aren't shouting about it from the rooftops or distributing FIRE RICHROD buttons in the office. If they ever got proof that these people were purposely conspiring against Rodriguez, then there would be a reason to fire with cause. Otherwise, by just blindly firing or calling out people they risk a lawsuit.

blueblueblue

February 26th, 2010 at 1:31 PM ^

A bit extreme of a take, no? My assumption is that members of the 'factions' are pretty well known to those on the inside, yet are insulated in some organizational/institutional way from being fired. Perhaps they are political appointees or have been voted in (e.g. regents). My guess is that RR knows who his detractors are. All the cold-war era tactics you describe would not be necessary. Stop watching so much 24!

bouje

February 26th, 2010 at 10:28 AM ^

or anything if all of the parts aren't moving together. It's like a centipede with a busted leg. The faction is the busted leg(s). There will never be any "proof" of the RR faction it will just always be a shadowy figure behind the scenes that people speculate about. (But I believe)

bouje

February 26th, 2010 at 11:06 AM ^

Was that it's a process everyone has to be on the same page and working together. This is actually I think the most important thing about the Brandon hire. He really seems to have done that at Dominos with the ownership and stuff that everyone has been talking about so let's all hope that he can bring the Michigan Family together. Because as my sig says:

Mgoscottie

February 26th, 2010 at 10:56 AM ^

A bunch of former players, involved alums etc. are nasty to Rich and his wife. They think they're too hillbillyish to represent the prestigious positions of coach and coaches wife. I don't know if this came up before the hire or not, but it sounds like a case of some stuck up people.

UMMAN83

February 26th, 2010 at 11:40 AM ^

Brandon will unearth the mess. Its pretty pitiful that someone would tarnish the program for such prideful desires. With all the $ invested in UoM athletics, you would think enough controls would be in-place to avoid such a situation. This is the aspect I am most astonished is not in-place. I do understand the NCAA needs to seriously check themselves and needs to be improve. It is a pretty sad state of affairs when thuggery is less of an issue than stretching too much. Stolat. Go Blue!

GVBlue86

February 26th, 2010 at 11:44 AM ^

If that is true that makes me really sad. You can see with RR he is a genuinely good guy who treats others with respect and has refused to stoop to the level of his detractors. For people to treat him so unfairly from the day he got here is just soo wrong. It's just a game, an awesome game especially when M is good, but a game none the less. For the 1,598,458th time, people need to get a life. He's a good coach.

raleighwood

February 26th, 2010 at 1:05 PM ^

I think that most of this has been blown out of proportion. RR has controlled his own destiny from Day 1. If he doesn't survive, it will be because of his 8-16 record (3-13 in BT), not because of some lower-level administrator in the Athletic Department. The current issue with NCAA violations will only be the tipping point (and a mechanism to avoid a large buy-out) but it won't be the issue that costs RR his job.

Captain Obvious

February 26th, 2010 at 3:01 PM ^

to succeed at your job *if* a cross-section of people ranging from people with influence to low-level staffers to the media are conspiring against you before you even get the nameplate on your desk. I'm not saying he can't overcome all this if the allegations of factions are true, but you can't honestly say it doesn't have a negative impact on his job performance.

raleighwood

February 26th, 2010 at 3:22 PM ^

Whhat the hell does a low level administrator have to do with losing to Purdue in consecutive seasons? What about all of the second half blowouts (PSU '08, PSU '09, Illinois '09)? What about the back-to-back two worst defensive teams in the history of Michigan football? Blaming things on the media and staffers just sounds so petty and small. RR's job is to win games. He makes a lot of money to do that. Not winning games will get him fired. Not a staffer. Not the Free Press. His fate is still in his own hands.

blueheron

February 26th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^

>>1. RR has been under fire from day 1, if these people have power how did Martin get this hire approved? I'd guess that Martin simply had more power and influence. >>2. Why do they not like him?? Like I said it has been from day 1 so I'm guessing not football related. Hillbilly factor, they didn't get their guy? I'd bet that the Les Miles Fan Club is one of the biggest problems here. I can't imagine people being too snotty if they put up with noted intellectuals like Bo and Mo. >>3. How do they exert pressure?? Is it money only?? If Brandon and MSC like him what can these people really do?? I suppose they can threaten to not buy luxury suites. >>4. Why can't anyone call them out?? I'm amazed that, after all this time, there haven't been at least a few names publicly aired. I don't think Brandon would ever do something like that, but Rick Leach seems like enough of a loose cannon to name names.

uminks

February 26th, 2010 at 1:30 PM ^

many in the AD did not like Don's hire of Bo, since he was not a Michigan Man. Though, after Bo's very successful first season everyone in the AD was behind him. I'm sure once RR starts winning he will win over any proponents in the AD, if there are any? Another losing season may be fatal to RR!

jmblue

February 26th, 2010 at 2:20 PM ^

Hasn't it been fairly convincingly established that the asshole most likely behind the media campaign is Jim Stapleton (former U-M administrator who is now an EMU regent)? Stapleton's history (check out his comments in the wake of the firing of Ellerbe and Amaker), his ties to Ron English (who wanted the job and is said to be bitter about it) and his personal connections to the Free Press editorial staff make it pretty easy to connect the dots. Stapleton is no longer part of the U-M braintrust, and had no direct say in the hiring of RR. But he has a media outlet that he can use to make RR's life hell. As for why the NCAA violations happened, they just did; the rulebook has a million gray areas, and we (like everyone else) drifted into a few. It happens. On at least two occasions, Lloyd Carr used an ineligible player (Marcus Ray in 1998, Artis Chambers in 2007), though we escaped significant punishment. No matter how ethical the man in charge is, the sheer size and complexity of the rulebook virtually ensure that if the NCAA comes calling, it will find violations. The key is to just avoid having them come in the first place. Our problem is that Stapleton/the Free Press are seemingly determined to find any reason they can to get the NCAA on our case.

blueheron

February 26th, 2010 at 2:56 PM ^

That makes as much sense to me as anything I've heard. But, I have to ask: How powerful *is* that guy? Can he bend the Free Press any which way he pleases? I honestly don't know, so that's why I'm asking. To put it another way, other than page view statistics, what would the Freep gain from a hack job?