I was trying to talk sense into a buddy of mine, who is a Michigan fan. Just not a fan of the coach. It went back and forth with me bringing up so many points on how the defense being young and inexperienced. However how they are improving and not giving up! He expects shut outs or an average defense atleast. I told him it will come in due time! To the thread, sorry for the delay. I haven't picked Michigan to lose any of the games this year, I was hoping for a 12-0 season. Realistically it may fall 7-5, 8-4, or even 9-3 (excluding bowl) Just curious as to how many people are on my side and agree that after 2562 days it will end? I guess for some dilithium reasons or not, i believe the "team" will get up for the game and shock all those fans!
How many people believe this is the year Michigan will beat tOsu?
that we've got a better chance of beating tOSU than Wiscy. I think that it requries us to actually take care of the ball against a good team. But our offense has already proven it's capable of moving the ball on anybody.
Now we just have to score on them.
I think every year is going to be the year we beat OSU. I have been more often wrong than not as of late, but I'll offer my prediction anyway: this year, we're going to win. Book it.
the enthusiasim, Hope you are right but right about now I'm thinking hope we beat Penn State at night at home.
I'll hang up and listen
This. being 6-2 going int o Illinois and Purdue would be nice. If we lose, we'll be 5-3 and I'll be thinking we'll lose to Illinois. Then we'd be looking at 6-6. PSU is pretty close to a must win.
totally agree this is definitely a must win.. It is on halloween, like the Illinois game was last year.. I sure as hell something wierd doesn't happen in this game like Roundtree getting tackled at the 1 yard line and we become totally deflated again.
Although with 9 starters on penn state's team out, i really don't see how the hell they will stop us or keep up with us on offense.
Because it ruined it last year.
I still see Roundtree running free to the TOUCHDOW..... oh wait he fumbled it then first and goal from the one and we cant score! oh god the horror... THE HORROR! i still see that play in my sleep...
Since Halloween is on a Sunday, I like our chances.
I think this team can play with anyone, at anytime !!
I believe we're going to beat OSU every year.
We have a better chance than we did in 2008, that was the only game against OSU I felt we had zero chance.
must concede that beating OSU this year is entirely possible, but not likely. Next year may be a different story.
Most probable route to 8-4 is beating PSU, PU, and UI, while losing to UW and OSU. But this is football, and stuff happens. I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised.
8-4 would be a hell of a year, but I think that assumes some improvement over the next six weeks. While there have been some encouraging signs over the last couple of games (Demens, Kovac, Forcier as being reliable when needed), these have been more than offset by Robinson looking human, injuries (Robinson, Molk, Martin, Shaw), and shaky play, to be generous, by the secondary-minus-Kovac.
I am coming to the realization that winning even two more games this year will require improvement, and perhaps some luck.
As far as beating tOSU goes, I can't fault anyone for having hope, but that game remains the toughest on the schedule, notwithstanding Saturday's result in Madison.
It's a bit early to be pontificating such a question, however it's a bye week
There might be some non-football factors that play into this years game that I think could effect it immensely, namely the fanbase at OSU turning on TP. If they lose again, and we come out hot defensively and force a turnover, the boos will rain. There is already a strong undercurrent of angst and anger at TP, and I would love nothing more than to see him implode.
Secondly, we have to hope and pray we are 100% healthy going into this game, as injuries to any solid defensive contributors will be disasterous.
That being said, I think Wiscy showed that their DL is a bit overrated, and that when the run is moving the ball their secondary is suspect (no real lockdown corners), So, we spread it out, pound the ball for 4/5 per pop, execute and score and we have the horses to run with anyone.
I'd turn on my QB too if he only put up 4/11 25 yards in the first half of a game. Heisman bound!
This year our 4th quarter comeback is enough to win. Knowing this will make the ext few weeks much easier to endure.
Contrary to popular SEC meme, OSU is more of a speed defense built to stop spread offenses. Their lines and LBs are smaller and faster. They don't match up terribly well with teams like Wisconsin, especially when they fall behind early.
Edit: This was actually in response to a post by "Spider" which said that WIsconsin wasn't a good barometer. Not sure why it doesn't show up on the web site.
I always believe.
As long as they keep turnovers low they have a chance
Hell yeah it is.
guess i want some optimism on the board. Im pretty sure we all see some mistakes, but there are some improvements on both sides of the ball. Clearly the offense is taking off. I guess I look it as they eliminate a few brain farts and the defensive stops will come. The punting is coming on stronger, they get the kicking and ST play going watch out!
i said i was hoping, sorry Mr. Negativity. I also didn't think my SF 49ers were going to be 1-5 right now.
neither did i, otherwise i wouldn't have paid so much for excellent seats to the 49er vs Eagles game. Just to watch BG flop Alex Smith like a fish in person.
12-0, that is way too much optimism for me to stomach.. This team is what I thought they would be. Which is not a good thing, I think its sad that expectations have decreased dramatically with Rich Rod. I will concede, we have a chance against tOSU, but that requires us playing better than we are capable of, we have yet to show up for 4 quarters against a good team. I also have concerns for Denards health, the more hits he takes, the slower he is, and the less potent he is.
I don't know if this is the year, but I do feel very strongly that once RR beats Tressel, there will be another "streak" in the rivalry, this time in Michigan's favor.
i've had that weird feeling for a while now that Tressel's conservatism + RichRod Offense = success.
We will do it this year.
Seriously. Please get a grip on reality. I love U of M and believe we will be really good in a few years but seriously. Michigan will loose that game 49 to 21. Ask yourself how many points would Terelle Pryor and the buckeye offense score against a bad FCS defense at home.
We'll definitely be loose for the game. They'll have everything to lose.
Maybe, if we can get our kickoff and punt return teams in gear. OSU's coverage units are brutal.
Can Michigan beat Ohio State? Most certainly. It's a rivalry and you can never take those kind of games for granted.
With that being said, however, its going to be a tough sell. While Tressel might not be the best at making adjustments in the middle of a heated contest, he has shown an ability to refine his teams to what they are good at come the home stretch of the schedule.
Michigan also has to face Wisconsin the week prior, which plays into the Buckeyes hands from a fatigue standpoint.
I don't see this game coming out as a win for Michigan, but then again not many did before the season began.
It's funny how things normalize as the season goes along. Before the year people thought of Michigan as a team that would improve by a few wins, and they look to be on course for an 8 win season in my estimation. Of course expectations grow and shrink as the games are played, but it is noteworthy how they trend back to the normal by the time the home stretch comes along.
We know its a rivalry, but does Rich Rod?
I'm going to have to go out on a limb and say yes he knows it's a rivalry.
He knows it's a rivalry; I just don't think that he has much of an emotional connection to it. Seems like it's strictly business to him; when we all know that OSU Michigan is much more than that.
I like how you claim to have some insight into RR's attitude than we somehow lack.
Yeah, if RR only cared about beating OSU, Threet would have suddenly become Tom Brady and our decimated defense would have played like it was 1997. Do people really believe such things?
Some of these posts are missing sarcasm tags.
Before the MSU game, RR in a presser downplayed the hoopla surrounding that game, joking about Dantonio's countdown clock, and stating that Michigan gets ready for that game like every other. Maybe he was posturing. Dantonio and Tressel each know that Michigan is a must-win game for them. RR? I don't know if he is as intense about it. Do you think that he's sandbagging a trick play or two for tOSU? He's got to know that beating tOSU will make his season, even if he loses all the rest.
I would hope he would have used a trick play against MSU if he had one. I think the way his big ten record is going it would be better to get off to a good start in big ten play, then to wait until tOSU game.
I assume he downplayed it to keep his young team from playing too tight. Denard himself admitted that he was too wound up for the MSU game, and his passing suffered as a consequence.
You do know Ohio State has Iowa before the Michigan game, right?
We play Wisconsin the week before, but OSU plays Iowa. I consider that a wash as far as fatigue goes.
But we have Barwis.
There is always a chance, but it will depend on how TP and the offense is playing at the end of the year. If Pryor continues to arm punt balls - and I really doubt that he'll make any dramatic improvements in that area considering how mediocre the QB coach at OSU seems to be - then they won't be able to shred the defense as much as we've seen the past few weeks, and that in turn will help the defense attack a mediocre running game. I doubt the crowd will ever boo OSU when they are playing UM, irrespective of how the players are performing, but a bad first few series could snowball. Personally, I think UM is a year or two away from pulling off the upset, but there are quite a few games to go in this season and if OSU continues to have issues at QB (especially if Pryor were to become injured or ineffective), then you never know. I'd rather focus on PSU, though.
thanks bronxblue, good points. I agree with many of them. PSU is the first task. I guess I just see how the line played pretty well against the number 4 defense, only giving up the one sack. (i could be wrong) A couple penalties, and we all know turnovers and kicking game played a factor. They are close though? Aren't they? Without Molk, Martin, the lines played exceptional. Of course health plays a big factor with the players having 4 more big ten games till they play osu.
We can hang with anybody if we are at least even with the turnovers. The last two games it didn't happen.
... whatever. But hey, our offense should give us a chance in every game. Also, never underestimate pryor's ability to be an idiot and tressel's ability to be too conservative. Still, OSU is a very good team, especially on D (envy!)
I liked Tressel's call on the 3rd play of the game to run the option with Pryor. It resulted with Pryor pitching it over the head of Herron and stalling the drive. Good start to a huge game on the road. They probably could have stuck to their bread and butter running plays.
There is always a chance.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
me *tentatively looks around for OSU roommate*. But seriously my mind is telling me no not this year but my body my body is telling me yes
I know a R. Kelly 12 Play quote when I see one. Somebody cue Your Body's Callin'.
with a little bump and grind
Is that William Hung?
More importantly, why do you have an OSU roomate?
Best friends growing up...
TOM will decide the game. If TP throws the arm-punt we wipe our ass with him and laugh.
If Denard throws the arm-punt (which he has done twice, tho I love him to death) they laugh.
we will win, and it will be glorious.
I have a feeling its time for the Tressel era to end and the Rodriguez era in series dominance to begin.
We have a high powered offense and TP is a joke. It all fits in.
"Everybody kills people" NEED I SAY MORE
Do we have the talent to beat them? Yes. Will we actually pull it off? I hope so, but it's too early to say.
I'm not gonna sit here and throw out stats, but after that loss to Wisco, I think OSU got a huge reality check. But then again, they also lost to Purdue last year and still beat us, so who really knows.
All in all, I feel confident going into that game. We play Wisco and OSU back to back. If we beat Wis, we will have the confidence on our side going into OSU, but even if we were to lose, I think we would be fired up and ready to play against them. It's a toss up for sure, but I feel good about it.
The talent on offense? yes
The talent on defense? I think we know the answer to that one.
Do you not remember how loaded Cooper's teams were? Some(not all) of our teams that beat OSU during the Coopers years were inferior as far as talent goes. It just goes to show you have to bring your A game and anything can happen.
We've played 7 games and our offense truly has not been stopped yet by a defense.
OSU and Wiscy will be tough. Pryor and Tolzien are capable of making mistakes though.. That's what we'll have to hope for!
I dont think we stopped ourselves against MSU. The MSU defense stepped up and prevented any big plays and tried to make Denard beat them, and he couldnt' do it. The same with Iowa's defense, when a play had to made they were better. I'll take a team with a good defense and good offense, over a team with a horrible defense and great offense.
Just because we didn't score on a long touchdown run or pass doesn't mean their defense stepped. MSU and Iowa was giving us the short stuff all day, but we didn't take it. We shot ourselves in the foot.
We may not have huge gainers against Wiscy or OSU, but that doesn't mean we can't methodically march the ball down field the whole game and beat them that way. We just have to do our thing and protect the ball.
The analysis (multiple, actually) done here, such as the UFR, says the exact opposite.
improbable, but not impossible.
I wouldn't put money on the OSU game but you can never tell how that game is gonna turn out. Last year's game was a lot closer than I expected it to be and if Tate hadn't thrown so many picks, it could have been a different outcome.
If they can protect the ball (unlike the last 2 games), it will go down to the wire.
OSU looks soft. I think if we can go in and rough them up we have a chance!
OSU is currently banged up on Defense. They may be in better shape by the time we play them or they could be in worse shape.
Will we? No, probably not.
i am cautiously optimistic that they wont be able to catch denard but after the past two weeks..... i dont know
having said that, today im more worried about going to happy valley
Yeah I am pretty much praying for another 1969...
wont make friends with this comment, but i think our chances are better with Forcier getting as much, if not more time than Denard at QB.
jmo that this game sets up well for Forcier's skill set vs Denard. if you thought MSU and Iowa did well vs Denard just wait til Michigan meets the OSU defense in their house @ 330pm.
they are vulnerable against the pass and Forcier proved that last year save a bum shoulder and freshmen mistakes. i simply dont think Michigan will be able to conjure up the type of running game necessary to beat OSU. it will have to be through the air imo.
lets face it, the running game is Denard Robinson. while he is an elite player there are still legit questions on our RB's/OL vs their front 7. on the other hand, imo Michigan has an extremely underrated WR corps and an accurate passer to get after their defense and get them on their heels.
either way, i just want to see Michigan win. if Denard gives M the best chance then great. if Forcier does then great. if they both help Michigan win then even better.
If michigan doesn't turn the ball over many times like they did against Iowa and MSU i think they can win every game left on the schedule . We have beat ourself in both of our loses . We can try to blame it on the D all we want but thee D hasn't really been that bad the last two game . We have stopped both teams enough to pull out the win with our O but we have done some real dumb things with the ball . It's all about the Turnovers and stupid penalties
TBH at this point I'm almost as optimistic about us beating OSU as us beating Illinois.
That is to say, relative to the beginning of the year, I'm more optimistic than I was that we'll beat OSU, and less optimistic about Illinois.
I always believe we are going to beat OSU. It's a rivalry game. Strange things happen in those games. Hell, we gave them a damn good shot last year.
This years Michigan team is very dangerous, and the OSU team certainly is not invincible
I am hugging myself with glee just thinking about it, but it feels like it's something that can't be spoken aloud.
Can't we just work out a "we're gonna beat em this year" hand signal to flash at each other?
We're going to beat their ass.
we WILL beat tosu this year camp! Go Blue!
Cut down on turnovers and flags and we have a chance
48-24. 1969 times two
If you don't believe then why watch? Hate to sound cliche'd but "You Gotta Believe". If the defense can continue to learn and improve a little bit, then maybe, maybe we have a shot. The offense can move the ball. The x-factor is that in a game with a team tOSU's caliber, we can't turn the ball over. We have to get points whenever we can. Any stop the D can give is a plus. If we don't throw the ball away we can play with anyone I truly believe. The only other thing I think we need is to get back to having a little better balance on the offense. With a defense as talented as tOSU's, we can't lean to heavily on DRob's legs or arm. We'd have to keep the defense honest on both fronts. Runs on first and second down and getting into third and seven will surely mean a pass against a good defense and they'll drop into coverage on Denard. We need to keep 'em guessing. It's not out of the realm of possibility to win this game. I hate to say it though, we'll have to do it in a shootout.