From Sam Webb:
2014 Allentown (Pa.) Central Catholic G Muhammad Ali Abdur-Rahkman has committed to #Michigan
From Sam Webb:
2014 Allentown (Pa.) Central Catholic G Muhammad Ali Abdur-Rahkman has committed to #Michigan
Welcome! Go Blue!
Is he a 5*?
He's actually unranked on 247 and a 2-star on ESPN. Now, I suspect Beilein sees more in him than that.
Beilein's track record for getting lowly rated guys is excellent (especially late in the process).
Caris, Spike, THJ, Burke, Smotz, JMo, Novak. All lower rated guys who Beilein made it to somewhere between 'solid starters' and 'NBA 1st rounder'. If MAAR was on campus and Beilein wanted him, I have little to no doubt that he'll be good for us
To be fair, Colton Christian off the top of my head was a similar pickup and didn't pan out. Not saying that that has any bearing here, but I think it's always good to manage expectations slightly. My expectations are roughly 5 minutes a game of high intensity defense to relieve caris.
I see him as a more explosive version of what Spike brings to PG - that he can bring to the 2 (and maybe a little 3). His knock seems to be outside shot which frankly is something I think our staff can help the most with. Seems to be a get to the rim type which will be tougher obviously in the NCAA (Big 10 especially) and needs to work on his outside game. He actually has some nice comment in scouting reports on defense which is very needed for this team as dribble drive penetration is bad.
Next year if he spells Caris for 5-7 minutes a game and in the coming 3 years can do a Spike role where he puts in 12-15 minutes a game as a reserve while other high end recruits fill starting positions, it will be fine. I do agree with your view that people need to temper expectations on every signing since we are going to have wings and guards that do NOT go to the NBA. It will be nice to have some players stick around for 4 years to provide depth and continuity - this kid is going to be on the 2017-2018 squad at "24 years old" assuming another Caris miracle doesnt happen. Having junior and senior "glue guys" guiding our "two and thrus" is needed.
and this kid could at least be that. . . but it's a bad strategy to bet against Belein in these matters. . .
Not betting against anyone. By definition there are 200 minutes available a night on a basketball court and only X number of kids are going to get the bulk of them. And at his position 80 minute between the 2 and the 3... of which next year Irvin and Caris will soak up 65. That leaves 15 for anyone else on the roster next year.
The year after there is a real possibility both players leave (and at minimum Caris) and he will at least be a 21 year old in the system a year and have a chance to get some serious playing time. That was the spot Blackmon would have eaten up but he will be doing it at Indiana instead of here.
What I do know is there is a great chance this staff will get the maximum out of MOST (not all) players ... but each player has their own ceiling. Ceilings are just reality and considering his offers were Ivy League type you assume his is lower than the type of guys UM is now recruiting yearly. So we'll see.
You keep talking about how the staff can help his outside shot but you never say what they'll do. "Here kid, go shoot threes until it clicks."
Smotrycz was a 4-star guy, rated about where Stauskas was, IIRC. And I'm not sure I would put Spike in the "solid starter" category since he's never started. I get your point, however.
But Smotz was similar to GRIII where when Beilein picked him up he was an unknown (rated an unranked 2-3* I believe - I seem to recall people being upset we got him versus Will Regan(?) because he was a top 150 sort), only months after he committed did Smotz leap all the way onto some of the top 100 lists.
And I know Spike doesn't start, but I'd bet this team still could've won the Big Ten with Spike starting at point all year. I would say that he would certainly be a 'solid starter' if called upon, no?
I trust the rest to John Beilein and staff.
This staff certainly has the ability to quickly identify (and impress) targets. We are a destination now. Huge find.
Can we call him Cassius Clay Abdur-Rahkman?
Think his nickname should just be Muhammad Ali.
Or "The Greatest"
Wow, so today is Michigan's MAAR-di Gras.
Woooo! I love it when I have ample opportunity to butcher names. Congrats Mohammed Alli Abdar-Rackham!! Welcome to UM!
That's a good start.
Get him the rahk man!
Looks like he earned that offer from the coaches today. Love these late season Beilein scoop ups. We all know MAAR will be all B1G his sophmore year.
Watching his high light film kids got some smoothness to his game and he doesnt have to play right away. Which means he can develope! will he be a pg or sg?cant really tell his hight from the tape
You know he can play and develop at the same time.
you can respond without being an ass.
hes gonna be 20 by time season starts; two yrs older than your typical freshman. if he's not ready to play and needs to develop that's a problem to me
People said the same thing about Mitch McGary being so old and having to develop over the season. Some players need to develop and are not ready to dominate college even if they are 20.
who said dominate? he just needs to be prepared to play.
Wanted. MAAR is a 2/3 star guy with no major offers besides Michigan. I don't think your analogy works
It's not just about age though. Some kids need time to adjust to playing Big Ten level basketball, or adjust to being a role player as opposed to "the guy" on their HS/AAU team. His age has little to do with it.
you don't recruit a kid who didn't do a prep year who will be 20 before he plays at Michigan if you don't expect him to play and be a viable option next season. yes players develop differently in this day and age most freshman prepared to play right. I didn't say he has to start or score 20 but he has to be able to give you at least what Spike did as a freshman.
Oh I think he'll be able to give that. I just think he'll also need some development, especially right off the bat. I think he's a guy who can play 10 minutes or so to let LeVert or Irvin take a break, and that's all we'll need from him right off the bat.
and thats all I'm saying.
Wow. Tea leaves seemed to be leaning toward Dawkins. Or maybe we'll still consider both. I'm especially pleased to get a physical guard, especially if he can develop into a defensive demon. Welcome to Muhammad!
I truly think this was a one or the other type thing.
Even with McGary and Hatch in the mix, we have another scholarship to offer. Chatman looks more like a 4 than a 2, and with Hatch's health a huge question mark, you pretty much just have MAAR after LeVert and Irvin at that spot (both of whom could go pro in the next year or two).
Wouldn't be surprised to see us take another 2/3 if the staff likes him.
What happened to DJ Wilson? And Chatman will be more than able to play the 3.
Chatman may be able to play the 3 down the road, but he is big and growing. He's definitely not a 2 from what I've seen and neither is Wilson (again closer to a 4 than a 2).
LeVert is a 2 and Irvin could maybe play that spot (though I think he's a better fit at 3), but Irvin will already be starting most likely. Next year LeVert is almost certainly gone to the NBA and Irvin might consider it as well.
Under those circumstances, I'd rather have a choice of MAAR/Dawkins (or some other guy the staff likes) after some time getting coached in the system rather than making an either/or choice right now. We'll see what happens. I just wouldn't be surprised, considering how many guys we've expressed interest in, to see another 2-guard type commit.
Glad I got my prediction/preference in a minute before your post. Now I look like a freaking genius!
Why would Brunson, Coleman or Davis want to come now? ugh.
Sviat and Eron Harris would have been justified skillwise but i'll trust the staff.
Now lets grab the Ukrainian kid or Cole Huff!
Love this addition. And he has a cool name!
That happened fast. Welcome to the team young man.
Awesome name! Welcome!
Kind of surprising he goes to a Catholic school. Doesn't matter though.
"BASKET BY THE GREEEAAATEST"
Bc of his name!?
Because everyone who has ever attended Detroit Catholic Central has immediately gone into priesthood
Probably the dumbest comment you've made in the past year.
Forgive me, I'm a stupid 18 year old moron.
I can't understand why you were criticized for this comment. MAAR's name combines like 4 very common Muslim names. So yes, it is surprising that he attends Catholic Central because he's probably Muslim. There was nothing xenophobic about what you said ("doesn't matter though"). It was just an observation, and you have nothing to apologize for.
For other posters; calm down.
1. "Bc of his name!?!" - Are you not aware that Muhammad, Ali, Abdur, and Rahkman are very common names for individuals who practice Islam? Where did you grow up? Muhammad Ali = Muslim, Shareef Abdur-Raheem = Muslim. I could keep going...
2. "Bc everyone who goes to Catholic Central goes into priesthood?" - Way to use a wild superlative. That is a weak analogy, and an ad populum fallacy. While a small percentage of CC students go into priesthood, I'm willing to bet that an overwelming proportion are at least Christian. There are Islamic academies too. This isn't discriminatory.
3. "Worst post you've made" - Seemed perfectly reasonable to me. He didn't insult anybody, or make any religious comments.
In conclusion, welcome to the team MAAR. Doesn't matter what his religion is. But it is uncommon for a (presumably) Muslim student to play for Catholic Central and I also agree that it's interesting.
Nothing like criticizing people for being "hypersensitive" and then writing an essay over those being "hypersensitive."
Haha I'll admit that's ironic. So I do apologize for that. Poor form. Didn't mean to insult anybody in my effort to prove that some names have a pattern of heritage or religion that are fair to acknowlege, and defend a reasonable post by the Devotee.
Haha. No worries. Yes, I did know those are names traditionally associated with Muslims. Your post did, however, make me rethink my position. So...well done.
I don't know about all of that. It's very common for non-Catholics to go to Catholic schools because they're usually better more academically and athletically than the other options. My wife went to Catholic high school, and she graduated with plenty of Jews, Muslims and non-religious people, among others.
So yeah, I think it's odd to say you're surprised he went to a Catholic high school because he has a Muslim name. Was it odd that Jordan Morgan or Blake Countess went to Catholic schools? As black americans, it's very unlikely that they're Catholic.
Welcome to Michigan!
Raw, athletic, and lanky. High release point on his shot. Not afraid of going into the lane and drawing contact. Seems like a Beilein type of kid.
I like when good things happen! I hope they continue to happen!
The only highlight video I found shows him missing a lot of shots. Seemed weird to me they would put those in there. I didn't look for that many but the couple I did find were pretty much the same thing
then that is exactly what I like about the site. UMHoops typically puts on clips that show a truer picture of a player--rather than just the good stuff. This approach showed early on why Burke was likely to be better than Brundidge. And why I am skeptical about Doyle.
Athletic guard that can defend? Yes please.
Interesting pickup - I think with GR3 and Nik gone his age became an asset versus what Beilein normally does and pick up guys who are younger then their class. This is a lot like Spike actually - with Burke gone he wanted some experience so he went older rather than younger with a late signing. Maybe that limits upside some but it usually means he can contribute right away which is what next year's squad will need at the 2/3.
Nice little scouting report at UM hoops:
Averaged 23.6 pts, 6.2 reb and 4.1 assists per game for 29-1 Central Catholic.
This great. Welcome aboard!!!
Has him as a 3 Star.
I can't start a thread but my buddy told me Brian Lewerke committed to MSU
Well it is probably a good thing you can't start a thread. That is not threadworthy...
Wasn't he on our radar? I thought I read Nussmeier was high on him.
Nussmeier said he wanted to come watch him throw. I like Lewerke. That's a good get for them.
I guess I should have said I didn't see another thread to post it under. Just thought for the people into recruiting that they would interested
I don't know if this is thread-worthy. He wasn't one of our top prospects and most felt he was going to MSU anyway. He's a solid prospect, but not a big recruit to where this would make waves. He's a high 3-star who committed to MSU.
The interesting thing for me is what that says about Jayru Campbell. There was lots of speculation that he wouldn't stick in MSU's class, and now they picked up another QB, so he's probably out.
From what I read kid was very high on UCLA but the Rosen announcement took his spot. He fits the Dantonio model with Cook - good arm, decent mobility. Won't be playing until his senior year or junior year as the second coming (Terry) is ahead of him.
He averaged 23.6 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.1 assists per game as a senior and finished with 2,136 career points."
That sounds rather impressive for season averages, but it seems as if he's an all-arounf contributor from everything I have seen. Glad to have someone who can make an impact like that come to Ann Arbor.
Welcome to the Michigan family, Muhammad!
Congratulations and welcome!
needs to be to a 4 or 5--that is where we are thin.
Nope. If Eron Harris or Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk want to come then you don't say no.
Harris is a 2015 with his transfer and Mykhailiuk ain't coming---as you effing know.
I'd also open up a spot for Mudiay or Tyus Jones if one of them wants to de-commit. /s
Why isn't Mykhailiuk coming? It's us, UVA, KU and SMU and the team with an open scholly gets him.
And Harris takes up a spot in 2014 and sit out but it would be worth it.
If McGary comes back the 5 is solid next year. He'll probably be backed up by Bielfeldt and Doyle. I'm pretty confident that Donnal and Chatman will make for a solid duo at the 4 (either both solid or one good enough to play major minutes). Then you're just talking about finding a legit 5 in the 2015 class, but that is something we have to do anyway.
If Mitch doesn't return, then we're in trouble and need to use the extra scholarship on a big, and may want to take two just to hedge our bets.
What bigs? Obi and Tashawn Thomas are the only B1G caliber and I don't see mutual interest.
Can't turn away a future top 10 pick (Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk), a 17 ppg scorer (Eron Harris) or a productive 3/4 (Cole Huff) just to sign bigs who may or may not be of caliber like Indiana did yesterday. Donnal/ Doyle/Max can hold it down til 15' and frankly I don't think we get a big as good as Max this late, who can contribute first or even second year.
Definitely not saying we could get anybody good, just that we'll desperately need somebody or we'll be in big trouble.
If by "hold it down" you mean be not nearly as good as we've been the last two years, then yeah, they can. That is a huge drop-off from what McGary can do, though, or even what Morgan/Horford brought inside. And we still regularly got killed on the glass with those two this year.
There isn't a big available this late who would change that, barring Obi or Tashawn Thomas.
Is there any smoke around Thomas? I see he is a junior so he'd have to sit out a year no? Or does the coaching change allow you to transfer without sitting?
The 6-foot-8 Thomas is a junior who led the team in scoring (15.4 points per game) and rebounding (8.1),
He wants to stay in Texas but has been barred but will appeal.
The reality is if Mitch goes we have issues inside and there are no good alternatives in 2014 - you just are going to play 4 wings and Donnal / SOMEONE has to eat up 40 minutes a nite - assuming Donnal gets about 22, Bielfeldt will probably be stuck there playing 7-8 and then someone else has to play 10 - I guess Doyle. It won't be very fun.
Obi is a logical choice but he doesn't seem interested for odd reasons - he likes Vandy, Duke, Northwestern et all - all similar schools to UM in academics and other than Duke we have the bball advantage over the rest. Strange one.
Please come back, Mitch!
we have a stretch 4 playing center along with Max and Doyle--one who is limited skill-wise and the other is limited skill-wise and inexperienced.
Obviously, no one wants to turn down a stud, and no one wants to waste a scholarship on someone who can't or won't play. And we won't. But what we need is some size.
I'd like to see where guys like DJ Wilson and Kam Chatman settle in before we say we need another 4. Those guys are both big enough that they could play there.
He looked huge in that JBC game yesterday. Also seemed to be playing the 4 (hard to tell in that kind of game, but he was under the basket for free throws and such and was the 2nd tallest guy on the floor every time I looked).
He also looks like a match-up nightmare at that spot. Can blow by bigger guys and see/shoot over smaller ones. Made some nice passes as well (though that is the type of game where a little bit of unselfishness is richly rewarded). If he can defend/rebound he looks like a potentially great player at the 4 in college.
Projected 5s: Mitch (?), Doyle, Donnal part time, Bielfeldt as emergency
Projected 4s: Donnal part time, Chatman part time, Bielfdelt, eventually Wilson?
Projected 3s: Irvin / Caris , Chatman part time, maybe some minor MAAR
Projected 2s: Irvin / Caris , MAAR
Projected 1s: Walton Jr, Spike
I think the 4 is actually pretty loaded up, but that assumes Mitch comes back. If Huff wants to leave the West Coast than the 3/4 is actually pretty crowded and we need to focus on the 2 because Caris is headed to the NBA. So I'd say the 2 and the 5 are the keys. Especially if Irvin explodes and becomes a candidate to leave after next year. Next year's class also needs a 1 as Walton Jr will be a JR and Spike a SR.
You knew Beilein was going to work his magic this weekend. It was a matter of which player the team wanted. Welcome addition and I'm sure he's excited to join a team that does such an amazing job of developing talent.
So 1. Walton/Spike 2. Levert/MAAR 3. Irvin/Chatman/Wilson/Hatch 4. Donnal/Chatman 5. McGary/Doyle/Bielfeldt
I wouldn't put Hatch in there yet. There's a lot to wait and see with him. He barely played on his HS team this past year. Great story, but let's not bank on him anywhere in the line-up just yet.
Wilson is a 4 and Donnal can slide down to 5 as well
But Brian told us BBall recruiting happens at a snails pace. ;)
MAAR was the last guy I wanted from the guards we were in on in this late period but obviously we have a staff that people can say "trust the staff" and it actually means something. That being said I will be surprised if this kid even matches Spikes production.
So you expect every player who's 20 to be able to play in college right away with no learning curves or they'll never be good even after 3-4 years under a top college coach like Beilein. College coaches are so much better than prep coaches and I don't see how there's much difference between joining the team at 18 vs. 20.
not saying that at all. most basketball players the older they get the more they are where they will peak at. Age wise he's like a juco transfer and you would expect that player to be able to give you minutes. thats all I'm saying
Best of luck on your future. You picked a great institution with a tremendous coach.
Just my input but I would have rather had Dawkins. Welcome to Ann Arbor young man.
And a warm welcome at that!
Sam Webb just tweeted that Dawkins got an offer too. The staff is looking to take both.
Yepp I saw that right after I posted
Dawkins and MAAR are totally redundant and that likely means don't take both Jalens.
And So much for the recruiting bump from our recent B1G and tourney success. It seems like the rankings profiles of our recruiting classes are going down rather than up.
Who cares? Look at how Burke developed. LeVert should be a star next year also. Neither were highly ranked. Trust Belein.
Burke was Ohio POY and ESPN 100
Caris was Ohio POY, a year young for his age and hit a growth spurt
Both these guys are old. I think they become productive 4 year players but were 2 needed?
I wonder if the fans will say MUUUUUUUU (like a cow) every time he enters the game? That would be fun.
Local Lehigh Valley paper has an article with an interesting angle on Adbur-Rahkman's path to Michigan, which was aided by an old friend of John Beilein:
Dave Rooney, a 1959 Allentown High graduate who was a college basketball coach for 20 years at schools including Slippery Rock and Buffalo State, has known Wolverines coach John Beilein for years.
Rooney is in the real estate business now but still knows his basketball. And when he talked, Beilein listened.
"Coach Beilein told us that this guy [Rooney] really doesn't usually say good things about anybody," said Dawub Abdur-Rahkman, Muhammad's father. "So when [Rooney] had nothing but good things to say about Muhammad, that really got [Beilein] interested. That opened his eyes."
What Abdur-Rahkman's high school coach had to say is also worth noting:
"I just think the way Beilein coaches and the way Michigan plays will be right for Muhammad," Csensits said. "Muhammad is a throwback in that he's just a guard. He's not really a point guard and he's not really a two guard; he's just a guard. And if you watch Michigan play, they run a lot of two guard type stuff with guys with very similar skill sets to Muhammad.
"So when he started taking a look at Muhammad, I think [Beilein] saw someone who would be a good fit for how they play."
Csensits also said that Virginia Tech, Boston College, and Pitt had all expressed strong interest in Abdur-Rahkman late.
A look at the numbers this kid put up. He scored a crap ton of points and dished out a lot of assists. You don't do that kind of stuff if you aren't a good basketball player.
Will he be a superstar at Michigan? Well that isn't likely just because it's never likely that a prospective player is going to be a superstar. But this kid can play ball, likes to get to the basket, likes to pass, and plays good defense. With the block/charge rules changing, we really needed both a guy to attack the rim AND a defender, and this guy seems to fit both of those roles pretty well. We've got LeVert and Irvin to bomb away already. It would be great if everyone could shoot 3's but maybe this guy's main role will be to attack the hoop and dish to the shooters.