Furman downgraded to 3 stars? And Jefferson/Stills info.
Linked here:
http://www.freep.com/article/20091216/SPORTS06/91216007/1356/SPORTS/U-M…
is an article from Helmholdt of Rivals on Furman, Jefferson and Stills, regarding their announcements dates (Jefferson/Stills at 9 PST Friday, Furman on Saturday). In it he mentions Furman as a 3* recruit according to Rivals. This must be a downgrade correct? He's on the board as a 4* and has always been discussed on the board that way.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:33 AM ^
I know Rivals just adjusted their rankings but I hadn't heard of him dropping. Regardless, I would still like to see him hold up the block M hat Saturday.
EDIT: Just checked and his bio page on Rivals has him listed as a 3 star ath now. I say who gives a damn. The kid can flat out play and would be more than welcome by me here wether he was a 4 star or 2 star.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:58 AM ^
always been a 3* ATH on rivals. Well over 4 months he has been.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:17 AM ^
Thanks. I wasn't aware of that because I don't visit them often. I get most of my info on here from all you guys so thanks again. I thought both sites had him ranked as a 4 star.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:28 AM ^
Now if he really is 6'3 200 #'s and really runs a 4.36. Than that is just ridiculous and I will take him over a hell of a lot of 4*.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:28 PM ^
I hope he can redshirt to put on +/- 20 pounds of muscle, then he converts one of the outside linebacker positions.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:15 AM ^
I have only heard of him being a 4* and can't think of why he would be down graded given the season he has had. I guess they must have heard he is UM bound.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:20 AM ^
He is still a 4 star on scout...screw rivals they seem to be harder on everyone. ESPN has him as a 3star too...but he is a beast in my opinion
December 16th, 2009 at 12:30 PM ^
While harsh on some lower prospects, I think rivals is a better overall evaluator of talent
December 17th, 2009 at 3:31 PM ^
I like Rivals better because they differentiate between Pro/Dual-Threat, and they also have the section for rating ATH as well.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:20 AM ^
Based on his freakish measurables, Furman is my TOP remaining "wishlist" recruit (for guys that I think we have any realistic shot at). He is definitely a 4* in my book.
4.4 40 speed and 38" VJ==Yes, please, thank you.
The other "freak" that I really wanted, but it looks like we are no longer going to get, was "Big Tex" Beachum. That dude is an SEC-type 3-Tech DT (read: quick, penetrating) all the way and would have created havoc with Big 10 OL.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:03 AM ^
Does Beachum even play defense? I was under the impression he does not, or not much.
On a side note: I love the name "Logan"--it's way cool. If I'd have had a son, that's what I'd name him. But wouldn't it be funny if a guy's name was Logan Logan? I shit you not--I went to high school with a kid named Jim James--yes, his parents actually named him "James James."
December 16th, 2009 at 10:47 AM ^
You are correct, Beachum does not play D in HS. He actually plays QB(!), but at his size 6'1 280lbs and running a 4.7-4.8 40 he would be a great 3 Tech DT IMO. He would need a RS year and maybe one more year to reach his potential at DT, but I think he could be scary good.
Logan IS a cool name, however, I only chose it for a lame reason: it is the "real" name of the comic book character Wolverine (clever, no?). Plus, I am a fan of the movie "Logan's Run".
Wasn't Jimmy James the name of a character on News Radio (awesome show, RIP Phil Hartman) played by the hilarious Stephen Root?
December 16th, 2009 at 11:16 AM ^
I totally get that. I'm seriosly considering changing my legal name to "Wonder Woman" or "BatGirl"
December 16th, 2009 at 1:35 PM ^
I'm sorry, but no 280 pound human being runs a 4.7 40. It just isn't humanly possible. 4 fakes out of 4.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:54 AM ^
that is the most random side note ever lol
December 16th, 2009 at 8:22 AM ^
He's still a 4 star on Scout and he lists these offers:
School
Michigan
Virginia Tech
Connecticut
Duke
Illinois
Maryland
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Pittsburgh
Purdue None
Rutgers None
Syracuse
West Virginia
So I'm not worried about him being a talent.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:28 AM ^
The real question: does he list them in that order? :)
December 16th, 2009 at 11:07 AM ^
Just curious. I'm surprised Alcorn State hasn't made an offer as it looks like they'd immediately be in his top 3.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:23 AM ^
Although Furman says it's no big deal, perhaps it's due to his leg injury.
December 16th, 2009 at 12:43 PM ^
that he sustained in the last game of his HS career? it's not like he got hurt at the beginning of the season and couldn't play
December 16th, 2009 at 8:32 AM ^
"It was actually a college I never thought I would end up at, but I'm comfortable heading up there for the next four or five years."
Up there? as in north to Michigan? A school he never thought he would end up at? As in a kid from Maryland going to Michigan? Lets hope that is the case and Sunday we get some good news from Josh.
Wish him the best of luck no matter what school he ends up at, seems like a good kid.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:28 AM ^
That's what I took from it too. Football and crab cakes.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:59 AM ^
thats what Maryland does
December 16th, 2009 at 10:15 AM ^
+1 for Wedding Crashers
December 17th, 2009 at 3:06 AM ^
You're all welcome.December 16th, 2009 at 9:51 AM ^
Supposedly he wasn't even considering Michigan earlier in his recruitment, but his coach/parent (whoever) was sorting through mail he was going to throw out and found a Michigan offer in it. They kept it and here we are.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:51 AM ^
There is really no need to read anything into Furman's interview.
Furman IS BLUE, book it.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:38 AM ^
What are the odds that we land all three? I need a fucking awesome Christmas present.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:47 AM ^
Furman has been a 3* ATH to Rivals all along. Not sure why people are freaking out. Rivals labeled him an athlete because they don't know where he will end up at the next level (LB, S), and frankly, I'm not sure if the coaches do, either.
Moral of this post: relax, yo.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:11 AM ^
He is a fairly accomplished RB as well. The kid is a talent.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:47 AM ^
Furman has always been a 3 star athlete on Rivals. FWIW, he's 3 spots off from a 4 star ATH ranking, so yeah whatever, high 3 star, low 4 star. His offers from VT, Oklahoma, Pitt, and North Carolina is good enough for me.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:51 AM ^
Beat you by mere seconds!!
And, as you said, a list of offers from those schools is fine by me.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:48 AM ^
Rivals has had Furman as a 3-star all along. If you heard talk of him being a 4-star, it was in reference to his Scout ranking. Generally, I think players with 3 stars on one site and 4 stars on the other are given 3.5 stars on MGoBlog's recruiting board.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:56 AM ^
and badly, but the mgo- recruiting board has him at 4, and the updates has always listed him that way. Just curious since I don't have subscriptions to the recruiting sites.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:58 AM ^
The Recruiting Board is not 100% accurate as it pertains to star rankings.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:51 AM ^
yea it just depends what site you look at. But i agree, with his measurable i dont think you can go wrong withthis kid, Rivals has him listed at 6 ft 3 in, 194 lbs, with a 4.36 40 and 26 reps on the bench. I dont know how his ball skills and football smarts are, but those are for sure 5* measurables for a DB prospect.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:07 AM ^
"pistonsfan133;" is your "DB" reference in regards to defensive back or death backer, just wanted to get clarify. For what it's worth I think the coaches are looking at bringing him in @ a LB spot 1st and evaluating him from there as opposed to starting him off in the defensive backfield.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:11 AM ^
If Furman plays LB (and he most likely will) is will almost certainly not be the DeathBacker. He's more likely to play defensive back than deathbacker, IMO. That said, I think he ultimately ends up at the WILL, but possibly SAM instead.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:14 AM ^
given by Sam Webb :). Furman is going to be a LB and says he will have to work on his coverage skills to play there. It isn't something he has done in HS as he's primarily been a pass rusher.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:48 AM ^
Strong Gut Feeling = Win.
Can't wait to see this kid on the field here.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:06 AM ^
I realize the recruiting board on this site is free and everything, but it's not very accurate and it's not updated very regularly. Brian and the Varsity Blue guys do a great job on this site, but the recruiting board isn't the best.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:52 AM ^
Self-plug? :)
December 16th, 2009 at 9:13 AM ^
may he be as good as another linebacker out of Maryland, who came to Michigan: Dhani Jones.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:32 AM ^
I really want us to get Furman, and I could give a crap how many stars he has next to his name. He is going to be special.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:21 AM ^
I am guessing the mismatch between his skills and his rival's ranking is how he got hurt. Because star rankings define how good a player is (rather than the other way around) the rivals god must have stepped in during the game in which Furman got hurt. I imagine a booming voice from above saying "My son, how dare you play above your god-given star ranking. Take that!" and bam, injury.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:28 AM ^
I know you were joking, but that wasn't a self-plug at all. All I do is keep track of who's been offered and who's committed where. I don't list what other offers people have, their star rankings, etc.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:32 PM ^
Has anyone hit a point total of 10,000?
I would like to see that.
There, plus one is my contribution
December 16th, 2009 at 2:07 PM ^
Brian.
December 16th, 2009 at 1:34 PM ^
Well if he's gonna play lineback, I'll take a linebacker that runs a 4.36 40 any day.