Four more MSU players are suspended bringing the total to Eight
https://www.wlns.com/news/michigan/four-more-msu-football-players-suspended-for-tunnel-fight/
Now, Malcolm Jones, Justin White, Jacoby Windmon and Brandon Wright join the list of players who will be away from the team.
November 2nd, 2022 at 1:02 AM ^
Nevermind
November 2nd, 2022 at 9:53 AM ^
Nah.
Where has Michigan taking the high road in the past got them?
Nowhere.
Errr, a concussed player and another beat down by 10 thugs... that's what it got us.
People like Dantonio, Camp, Valenti, and RCMB are allowed to flourish while a Michigan said, "we're the leaders and best"...
...fuck that.
This is war.
We need to turn loose every bit of influence, every bit of power, in every facet related to the University of Michigan and destroy that garbage institution as we know it.
November 2nd, 2022 at 10:21 AM ^
If you say so captain
November 1st, 2022 at 5:38 PM ^
Edit: someone already put it in, and much neater.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:38 PM ^
Includes Windmon, as it should.
November 1st, 2022 at 7:54 PM ^
But I thought he wasn’t there to witness it? Criminal and a liar.
November 1st, 2022 at 8:13 PM ^
"He wasn't there to witness it" is a true statement.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:40 PM ^
Maybe we can stop the vitriol and let it play out. Enough of the hate on hate. It’s not what leaders and best do
November 1st, 2022 at 6:09 PM ^
If the process continues at a reasonable pace with appropriate consequences, sure. But there's still a lot of unanswered questions, and MSU hasn't earned any benefit of the doubt in matters of internal discipline.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:42 PM ^
Certainly more to be said and done, but we are <72 hours into this, and eight guys (bulk that could easily be seen in the widely-shared videos) are off the team for now. Let it play out.
November 1st, 2022 at 10:22 PM ^
Weeeeellll...they aren't off the team, just "suspended." So if MSU decides the investigation is done and they should all be reinstated next week...
November 1st, 2022 at 8:38 PM ^
Agree 100%. All the vitriol doesn’t help.
The process is underway by multiple enforcement groups and MSU has suspended 8 players. They still might face legal or financial repercussions, so no one is getting off without punishment.
Hopefully the 2 UM players are fully recovered in the next few days or as soon as their psyche can heal.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:40 PM ^
I'm surprised Jayden Reed isn't on there.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:42 PM ^
Well think of it this way, their defense was already screwed. (But seriously, unlike some other players, I don’t think the videos that are public as of now indisputably show him taking swings on guys.)
November 1st, 2022 at 5:52 PM ^
The video I saw he was adjacent to the assault. I couldn't tell whether he was trying to break it up or participate in the violence. Unless there are other angles I don't think there is enough evidence to suspend him.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:55 PM ^
I was going to comment the same thing. I don’t recall him doing anything other than being in the vicinity in the videos, unless I missed something
November 1st, 2022 at 6:17 PM ^
This is the video I've seen where he's in the mix.
To me it looks like he pulls #11 Tyrell Henry away and then tries to pull #15 Angelo Grose away but fails. I don't think he was taking swings at McBurrows.
November 1st, 2022 at 7:09 PM ^
It's been said before but if we're rightfully calling out the dirtbags, also good on #33, #41 and Xavier for having the sense to step in when lots of the MSU adults ran the other way
November 1st, 2022 at 7:50 PM ^
That's the first time I've seen that video, and it alters my conclusions about no one trying to break things up. Thanks for linking.
November 1st, 2022 at 9:09 PM ^
The civil suits, however, in this regard will not be kind to all those who are not actively intervening. Those who have already been suspended are in very significant trouble because the evidence has to be irrefutable for MSU to take any action.
The initial flurry of activity is likely mostly over although there could soon be some edicts announced from the B1G or even the NCAA. We will see.
November 1st, 2022 at 8:30 PM ^
You can't tell what he's doing but he's much more in the center of it that most people think
At points he's one of the guys immediately adjacent to McBurrows. You can't see if he throws a punch or kick, but it also doesn't see likely he's trying to pull his guys away either. He does kinda shove and pull a couple of his guys at the end, but again inconclusive whether he's breaking it up or just trying to make a path for himself.
November 1st, 2022 at 10:12 PM ^
The video shows a staffer with his phone out presumably videoing the attack, which should have a good view of whatever Reed was doing. He didn't seem to be doing anything to break it up, but hard to say. They were kicking McBurrows and Reed was looking down doing something. We might not see that video but I have to think M has it.
Now, whether it was better for the guy to help get McBurrows out of the attack vs. videoing is another thing.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:40 PM ^
I said it earlier and will say it again, folks on this blog need to chill and let MSU sort this out. For once there seems to be a chance they will do the right thing. Tuck inherited a crap culture and changing culture is super hard. He may be a very mediocre coach, but I don’t think he is a Dantonio level scum bag.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:42 PM ^
But really, who else is?
November 1st, 2022 at 5:44 PM ^
I mean, that is a very good point.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:43 PM ^
I don’t think he’s a bad person, but do you honestly believe he was trying to change the disrespekt culture?
November 1st, 2022 at 5:45 PM ^
So is Mel Tucker on the hot seat here? How is it that he survives this. He is going to have a player go to jail for assault after a game. Is there precedence for that?
November 1st, 2022 at 5:48 PM ^
I highly doubt they end up in jail. A fine and community service seems more in line.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:46 PM ^
"the full wrath of the law" would certainly include jail for this level of violence.
November 1st, 2022 at 10:17 PM ^
That's lawyer bluster.
The kid swinging the helmet probably gets some jail time and a long probation. The others likely get probation + community service.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:05 PM ^
He is definitely feeling the heat. You can bet that people (e.g., Mars) are going to be looking into how he “prepared” his players for the Michigan game.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:14 PM ^
a) i'm no expert and it was a disgusting act but fights do happen and don't always result in jailtime. I'll let smarter people discuss whether they should, or will in this case. The guys swinging helmets are not equivalent to every player that participated.
b) Regardless of what the legal repercussions are, the players took those actions - not Mel Tucker. He can be held responsible to some extent, but he's also responsible for the response and post-incident actions.
c) we had a coach (whom I like very much) literally slap a dude in basically the same situation - felt "disrespekted" after a blowout loss when he thought they were running up the score - AND it wasn't the first time he got in a physical altercation. And he's still around. I think firing Tuck would be unwarranted, even as a "lack of control" type of situation
November 1st, 2022 at 6:42 PM ^
c) we had a coach (whom I like very much) literally slap a dude in basically the same situation - felt "disrespekted" after a blowout loss when he thought they were running up the score - AND it wasn't the first time he got in a physical altercation. And he's still around.
Let me just touch on this stupid comment that keeps going around. What happened here and what happened with Juwan are not remotely the same. One is a grown man slapping another grown man with a group of individuals around both of them. Let me just add, after he was called a racial slur, but I’m not saying that makes it right just wanted to make sure that’s known.
The other is a gang or group of people holding players and beating them with weapons. The equivalent would be Juwan cornering that coach by himself with a group of his guys and smashing a chair over the guys head. And then holding down the 1st person to come help the Wisconsin coach, who had his head bashed in, and curb stomping them while players -and security stood around watching.
You can then see why these are clearly so different it’s not worth being brought up correct? But let me go further for you, Juwan was then suspended for that slap for numerous games and he served his suspension. So if a slap to another man, man to man is worth the suspension that Juwan got, then what is this worth?
Had this been a fight between Green and Crump, man to man, you’d see Green and Crump suspended and this would have been a one day conversation. But you surely have to understand this is completely different correct? If Juwan and the Wisconsin coach had a full on knock down fight, they both would have been suspended the rest of the season. And it would have been the right thing.
But a fight between two adults is one thing. Assault with a weapon by a gang on one guy, is not the same thing as slapping a guy man to man out in the open. It’ll never be the same, you can’t make parallels and you shouldn’t compare them at all. It makes you seem extremely small minded, much like MSU fans.
One of these guys is going to prison. At least one will have a hefty fine they’ll have to pay that will ruin their life. Mars is going to destroy at least one of these guys and most likely a couple. I can not stress how wrong it is for you to bring the Juwan situation up. Green has a life long injury now and one of these guys made a life altering choice. This wasn’t a brawl or a fight. This was aggravated assault with a weapon.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:51 PM ^
"After he was called a racial slur." There's zero evidence that the Wisky coach used a slur. Juwan was wrong. He said he was wrong. And he was punished accordingly.
November 2nd, 2022 at 8:30 AM ^
Where did I say he wasn’t wrong or didn’t serve his suspension? You’re grasping for something that’s not there. Also my source for the racial slur deal is basically the entire Michigan athletic department. I don’t care if you believe me or not.
November 1st, 2022 at 8:51 PM ^
Let me just add, after he was called a racial slur, but I’m not saying that makes it right just wanted to make sure that’s known.
It's hard for me to imagine, given the number of people involved and/or witness to that altercation, that this happened and somehow never made the news.
I'm as big a Juwan Howard fan as you'll find but I'll admit that he was not at his best that day. We can be fans without having to blindly defend everything Michigan does.
November 2nd, 2022 at 8:33 AM ^
Did I blindly defend what he did? Or say he shouldn’t have served a suspension? He rightly got a suspension and deserved it.
November 1st, 2022 at 9:10 PM ^
None of these players are going to prison. Relax and take a deep breath.
None of these players are going to have to pay a dime, either. Mars is going after MSU. To the extent these players are fined, the same boosters paying Mel will pony up for that (and their legal defense).
November 1st, 2022 at 6:54 PM ^
While the situations spoken aloud sound similar, if I remember correctly the “running it up” aspect put Juwan in a foul mood but the slap didn’t happen until another coach laid hands on his player. Still bad, still wrong, but it was in response to perceived violence and it was two adults face to face.
This was…well not that. As a side note,It was also disheartening to see folks in State Police vests holding people back from joining but not stopping the assault.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:33 PM ^
They may skate on the jail time, but I sure would like to be the lawyer hammering them in the civil suit. Grim prospects for them with no cover.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:50 PM ^
95 million is a large buyout
November 1st, 2022 at 7:23 PM ^
If Mel Tucker is on the hot seat, it's because of buyer's remorse. Hard to blame MSU for that.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:47 PM ^
I don’t see anything in his background that would indicate he is for the criminal culture of MSU. His response to this is also light years different than what we have seen from MSU previously, which would have had coaches complete blame Michigan.
November 1st, 2022 at 5:52 PM ^
He's also had 3 years to fix it and look what just happened. I'm not giving them any benefit of the doubt as a sports program or as a university.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:12 PM ^
When you're over .500 and 2-0 against Michigan, Mel didn't have to look at shit to fix.
He was managing expectations.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:47 PM ^
What benefit does Michigan receive by scheduling MSU every year? The shenanigans are ridiculous as we continue to be their Super Bowl and they pretend they are our biggest rival.
I understand the instate rivalry part, but do we need to play them annually? Why can’t we lock in Minnesota as our trophy game and call it good? Once the conference expansion happens, I wouldn’t be sad to see Sparty roll of the schedule.
November 1st, 2022 at 9:15 PM ^
Some people on this board are losing their minds. The MSU/UMich rivalry is one of the top 10 rivalries in college football. It isn't going anywhere. It shouldn't go anywhere.
This was the nadir of a slow march to this sort of problem. Our players kicking the turf up at midfield at Spartan Stadium didn't help. The suspended MSU players went beyond the pale, no doubt. But there is no greater takeaway to be had about the rivalry.
MSU fans and alums are not lesser people as this board would like to believe. Part of the reason our beloved UMich is so special is that we have these heated rivalries.
November 1st, 2022 at 10:28 PM ^
Top rivalries? I did a search to see what other say, and I didn't see it ranked in anyone's top 10. A couple in their top 25, but that was it.
M-ND did make a few lists, and that one goes on hiatus, as it is now. No reason the M-MSU game can't do the same.
November 1st, 2022 at 6:14 PM ^
You can cry disrespect without going overboard on the hate. If this had happened under Dantonio, he would not have apologized and probably would let it be known that he disagreed with suspensions.