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This is the kind of stuff that can kill a program. I'm sure we won't be so lucky and UF will be fine, but damn, give me a 3 star kid that grows into a hard working front line player anyday over these 5-star egos.
god damnit that's annoying
Wow I love the part where they refer to themselves as Lebron, Bosh and D-Wade. Maybe they will take their talents to South Beach. What a joke, take em and keep em Florida.
Why was this titled "WOW - You still want these guys in maize and blue"
we attempted to recruit some of them, Big Brother. But your title is so much better, sir.
The main point of the title changes of late seems to be so we can know immediately what the topic will cover from the onset. While I understood why you labeled it as such, perhaps that would have been a better first line of your post.
Say what you want, but we have some awesome guys on this team. Humble. Hard-working. Not this bullshit.
On that note, I do feel this will become more and more common with the Twitter, Facebook era and, as others mentioned, the hype of recruiting services.
And to add to that note, the embarassment and ridiculousness of the LeBron James "Signing Special." Isn't that kind of what the February CFB Signing day has become?
I like Mike Pouncey now.
One has to wonder what role the increased publicity from recruiting services plays in the kinds of attitudes exhibited here. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that some of these kids seem to feel entitled. My ego would probably be huge if I had thousands of fans fawning over me as a junior in high school.
Don't be so modest, I'm sure you were a first team all world Lumberjack as a junior in high school
He's a lumberjack and he's ok.
ahhhhhh thank you for that one
I agree 100%. I mean these kids are 16 and 17 years old and are already being talked about on ESPN like they've done something in the college game (let alone the NFL). Who wouldn't have a big head? I would if I see my name constantly scrolling on the bottom of the TV along with LeBron and Tiger Woods...
We truly live in a weird-ass world now-a-days.
I think if they did this at UM they would be spending a lot of time on Barwis beach.
Brantley already knows how to speak "coachspeak." Either that, or he is utterly clueless to what is going on around him. I guess we'll know in a few weeks.
What a bunch of little shit head kids. I hope Urban Meyer comes down hard on them. It makes me glad that we have so many hard working, humble kids on our team. I'd take Mike Martin and Craig Roh over the two "5-Star recruits" anyday.
OK, but Martin and Roh were both relatively high 4-star, top 250 guys, both who had early impact. Roh turned down USC for us, Martin turned down ND and PSU. These two are a small step down from 5 stars.
This is like saying, "Screw those Harvard grads, I'd take a hard working Columbia grad any day."
Say what you want about the attrition that we've experienced, but if this were happening at Michigan this fall, the article would be titled:
"Cocky Ass Freshmen try to get slick and get kicked off the team"
If these guys can't take a little criticism, they're not going to be seeing the field much at any BCS school. Props to Pouncey for calling them out. I know they're only 18 year old kids, but come on, that type of behavior is just pathetic.
They'll learn soon enough. Meyer won't put up with that shit.
I don't think you have much evidence with which to back this statement. Meyer has been a good coach, and his players haven't been too horrible during his tenure. There have been a couple with issues, but what college coach doesn't have a few drama queens?
Who knows what their coach said. But whatever, let's leap to conclusions anyway, it's in keeping with football culture's hard on for authority.
“Ronald Powell is Chris Bosh, Sharrif (Floyd) is Dwyane Wade and I’m LeBron (James),” Easley said at UF’s Media Day.
So you're saying that criticism of these kids is unwarranted and is solely based on some silly attachment to overly repressive authority. Uh huh.
How much thought do you think Easley gave to that? Keep in mind he's eighteen years old.
Maybe they are a little cocky, it's not out of the ordinary for 5 star recruits who've been slobbered over by legions of grown ups (including nearly every top college coach). Tate got cocky after last year too.
That has nothing to do with the fact that we know nothing about whether their taking exception to what happened at practice was legitimate. That doesn't stop posters from calling them "little shitheads", saying that what they did was "bullshit" and "annoying" and that they can't take criticism. You don't know that some Mark Mangino/Mike Leach/Jim Leavitt shit didn't go down. You don't.
I'm glad that those three cases have chipped away at the idea that coaches should be unquestioned as disciplinarians, but the fact that Mangino was able to go so long without anyone saying anything, and the reactions of posters on this board, show that it's an idea that still lingers.
I know when I was 18, I would have been damn thankful to have the kind of opportunity these kids have had handed to them, and I sure as hell wouldn't have skipped out on my teammates because I thought I was too good for them. Some 18 year olds are Marines, and I know this sort of thing doesn't fly there. Being young is no excuse for being a tool.
Is it possible that actual coach abuse type thing was going on? Possible yes, likely, no. You really think guys this cocky, who clearly love attention, would walk out of practice but then keep quiet about something truly over-the-top? Just doesn't add up. Cocky kids with a ton of natural talent not used to working hard or meeting people just as good at football as them flaking out the first time they're really required to dig deep is a lot more likely.
You totally missed the point. Neither you nor I have enough knowledge of the situation to reasonably make judgments about what happened or the players' character. Calling them tools, assuming that they skipped practice because they thought they were too good for their teammates, that they aren't used to working hard and that they're flakes is totally out of line.
To your question of why they'd keep quiet: first of all it's not clear Easley loves attention, he may very well not have anticipated the attention a comment like that would get being eighteen and never having dealt with a throng of media like that before. Second, even if that comment did indicate Easley's love of attention, it would say nothing about whether the other two players loved attention. Finally, there are plenty of reasons they might, as a group or individually, decide to request a transfer without going to the media with an exact breakdown of what happened.
Let me repeat, these are eighteen year old kids and you have little to no idea what happened. Instead of denigrating them in a public forum, hold your tongue or give them the benefit of the doubt.
I believe EDSBS said it best:
"[talkradio]
THESE GUYS NEED TO BE KICKED OFF THE TEAM AS A LESSON TO THE WHOLE TEAM AND I TELL YOU KIDS THESE DAYS NEED SOME DISCIPLINE AND LESSONS LIKE I LEARNED WHICH IS WHY I'M CALLING FROM A PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WORK DAY WHEN I SHOULD BE WORKING
[/talkradio]
It would be very nice, if this is indeed true, that everyone have a nice learning experience, acquire a few maturity points for their profile, and quietly returned to playing football. Otherwise we're calling a priest, and doing so ASAP."
(next part is not directed at mejunglechop)
Kids don't get to be the number one recruit in the country by being "natural athletes." They got there by working their asses off. I know it's fun to act like they're all just spoiled little kids who don't realize how good they have it and boy I tell you what if I was in their position I'd be thankful for it unlike these little shits, but you know what? They're in that position, not you, and they're there because they have put in a ton of time into becoming really, really good at football. Sure, some of them have great bodies for it-a 6'5" wide receiver, for instance. But I have friends who are 6'5, and none of them are playing wide receiver for Michigan or Florida or whoever. Playing college football, especially at a place like Florida or Michigan, requires a lot of hard work. A lot of guys can coast by on talent, it's true. But to get to Florida is a hell of an accomplishment, and not one that we should write off as something that only happened because of some genetic lottery that we're all bitter about losing at.
I'm not judging their work ethic, I'm judging their actions in this case. Not showing up for practice is wrong, and it is wrong under almost any circumstances. If it comes out that some racial slur or something terrible was said, then I'll retract. But nothing short of that justifies their actions, and it is very reasonable to assume the narrative about entitled athletes in this case is true. And again, work ethic or the fact that we can't do what they do has zero to do with the critique.
Being absent from practice isn't wrong at all. It's a morally neutral act, as are transferring or threatening to. There are plenty of reasons why they might want to on top of whatever happened at practice. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, but since you MUST HAVE OPINION, you don't care.
as well. Since you apparently know some philosophy, you should know that you are taking a stand and making a judgement in the exact same manner than I am. Don't come here, make a judgement, call others judgement wrong, then both 1- get personal when you are disagreed with (which no one else has done), and 2- hilariously, attempt to stand apart on a moral high plane while you are doing so. That is lame, as is your supposed reasoning process. And missing practice is not morally neutral, that is even more dumb. Missing practice 1- is self-destructive, if your goal is learning and getting playing time, and 2- hurts your teammates, since football position groups don't exist in own world. Holy shit this is weak.
Are we reading the same thread? I never got personal with anyone. I certainly didn't call anyone a tool or imply that they are a flake or lazy.
Also, are you actually arguing that asking people to withhold their opinion on a given topic due to a lack of information is inherently self defeating because in doing so one is expressing an opinion? I know that's what I read, but I almost can't believe anyone, but especially you, a usually intelligent poster, would say that.
not the poster (apart from trolls or the aggressively stupid, which you are not). I consider being told that I don't know what I'm talking about and must have an opinion anyway rather an insult, maybe you do not.
I'm saying that the players took an action, which IMO is an action detrimental to both them and potentially, the team. Other players and the coaches attributed it to hubris, or a feeling of entitlement, or being too sensitive. That is partial evidence IMO that this is true--but as I stated, all the evidence isn't in. I never took a position that these guys were any of the above, I responded to a poster that basically said those who were critical were jealous or assuming the players were gifted slackers.
I meant "you don't know what you're talking about" only in the sense that you had little knowledge of the situation- admittedly, that was the same level of knowledge as me. I was using it with reference to your argument and certainly never meant for you to take it personally.
And I agree you never made any of those sorts of personal attacks against them, although I don't understand why you didn't call out those who did.
Finally, I think its fair to say we have different standards as far as when it's permissible not to go to practice, but that's something reasonable people can disagree on.
action was entirely fine, completely justified and totally the fault of James. As for Mamgino, the language and insult were in poor taste--for some--and if you don't like it leave--we see guys leaving here all the time.
I didn’t make an analogy, I said this situation might be analogous in some ways. In fact, if a coach did cross the line in disciplining these kids because he saw them as entitled punks the Leach case is the tightest of the three.
how pissed off the kid who was called "Bosh" was because he had to have thought he was the "Lebron"... not to mention he "Bosh" was the #1 recruit in the country. The Miami 3 is the new "Which Sex and the City character are you?"
This could easialy turn into a big problem for Florida this season, If not a bigger one in seasons to come. developing habbits like skipping practice will not help you win an SEC title or get to the NFL.
As much as I hate the whole Lebron and Bosh to Miami thing. These freshmen can't compare them to the Miami 3 until they win something. They haven't even played a snap in college yet and they are comparing themselves to stars.
Sure they can -- Lebron and Chris Bosh haven't won anything either, and they're all attention-starved, collusive arrogant jerks. Seems like an excellent comparison.
Well it's not like the Miami 3 have won all that much. 1 championship combined.
I know he won't....but if I was Meyer and these kids threatened to transfer, I'd tell them to fuck off and go ahead. I don't care how much attention these kids have gotten, if they think they're going to walk into a program that has had as much recent success as Florida as had and think they're going to run shit, they are sadly mistaken. At least they should be.
If I remeber correctly the school can put conditions on giving a kid a release from their scholarship. I think it would be absolutely awesome to give them their release if they asked for it except put in the conditions that they have to transfer to choose from some schools in Conf USA or some other similarly weak conference. It would be a great message to other kids about who really has the power that they think they have.
They are not like our freshmen...........I will let one of our guys explain
Ricardo Miller, on Marvin Robinson: "When he comes to hit, everyone knows it. I think he's cracked his helmet twice this camp, and if that doesn't show you enough that he can, I don't know what could."
Yeah but Marvin Robinson is a man-beast.
but I like his quote about the freshmen "having no idea what's about to hit them."
that this coaching staff has taken the task of rehabing brock. I'm very glad this is the character this team has off the field.
This story will get lost in the media as the team wins and loses, which is a shame, but we will always know the true identity of what type of people they really are.
These kids will go in to play against the first reasonably good opponent, and get their ass handed to them by a 2 star senior who has worked like a dog and let his play on the field do his talking for him, and that'll shut them up.
I really like what Meyer said. "They've got no idea what's coming for them." I'm sure they assume they will dominate as always from the start. After all, these are kids that played Varsity as 8th graders, probably.
Great leadership by Urban, freshman.........a true freshman who has only been on campus for a couple of weeks.....skips practice because they are upset and what, he gives them a verbal lashing.
don't be so tough on them Urban, next time just give them a timeout. By the time they are upperclassmen they will run this program into the ground while Meyer turns the other cheek.
Maybe he will just pray for them to change on their own.
give me a 3 star kid that grows into a hard working front line player anyday over these 5-star egos
come on now...let's not get crazy
