Early Departures for the NFL Draft

Submitted by buddha on December 3rd, 2019 at 3:09 PM

Apologies if this has been posted in the past few days. Since Saturday, a ton of new threads have been made; and, although I searched for this topic, I didn't comb through every post since Saturday.

There have been a number of commenters suggesting multiple early departures, possibly from the OL, WR corp, Defense, etc. I won't pretend to be a "person in the know" when it comes to UM football, so maybe those closer to the program have their fingers on the pulse of the situation.

Nevertheless, I checked out multiple NFL draft boards, and the results seem to suggest few - if any - early departures. Obviously, players will make up their own minds based on whatever information they're receiving either internally or from the "market," but the results of my search were pretty surprising, given the concern expressed by posters on this blog. Not a single UM early departure is consistently listed as a draft pick in the first three rounds. Tarik Black was listed in one mock draft; DPJ and Nico Collins in others. But that's it...

Moreover, whether early departure or not, only one UM player was projected to go in the first two rounds overall (Ben Bredeson was projected to go late in the second round in the CBS mock draft)...and not a single UM player is consistently ranked in the top 75 "draftable" players...

Every year players make up their own minds about entering the draft, no matter where their stock is. Also, there are hundreds of mock drafts out there; so, some may have UM players rated higher than the ones I checked out. Nevertheless, it's safe to suggest none are going in the first round, and it seems to be a stretch as to whether anyone will go in Rounds 2 or 3. 

Does that information dissuade some of those players from declaring? How much does "returning to college" actually raise draft stock? Is there a "round cutoff" like the NBA where - if you aren't gonna be selected as a lottery pick or early round 2 - you more often than not decide to come back to college? Should we expect a reasonably stocked roster for the bowl game, or will several players be sitting?

Just curious what the board thinks and whether or not this information changes your thoughts about who may or may not go pro early...

Blue in Paradise

December 3rd, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^

I think there is a good chance DPJ comes back - I agree that his combine numbers will be stellar and help his draft position; however his numbers this year are not great due to his early season injury and the transition costs of the Gattis offense.  Given the late season development of the offense and his injury healing, he is line to see his numbers and highlights will blow up next year and he can go from a 3-4th round to a 1-2nd round pick.

Also, he wants to go to medical school so graduating and possibly getting a start on med school classes must be an attractive option.  It helps that his parents are very successful so he is not in a position where he needs to put food on the table for his family.

MGoFoam

December 3rd, 2019 at 4:04 PM ^

You don't get "a start on med school classes." You just start medical school. If he actually wants to go down the path of becoming a physician (4 years med school, 3-8 years residency) but also wants to play in the NFL (good income to pay for med school), it might make sense to get started on an NFL career that will probably last 4-8 years.

MGOTokyo

December 3rd, 2019 at 7:36 PM ^

No, no possible way to do both med school and NFL.  If he does play a number of years in the NFL, I'm not sure there would be a financial incentive to go back to school and residency training for 10 years (assuming that he has the grades and test scores to even get in).

MGoBlue96

December 3rd, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^

I don't know if DPJ got enough of a chance to really show scouts his skills this year to go as high as he would want. Though his measurables are certainly what the NFL is looking for so that might make up for it. Also we have to remember coming in that DPJ was huge on the education aspect so he might stay for that reason.

CFraser

December 3rd, 2019 at 8:13 PM ^

For pre-rule you’d say he was hurt and get a medical year. It depends on which 4 games (if he played at different times in the season then it’s hard to blame an “injury”)

it’s all mute bc he’s playing in the senior bowl so whatevs.

evenyoubrutus

December 3rd, 2019 at 3:30 PM ^

The only reason everyone assumes DPJ is gone is because he was a 5 star out of high school and everyone assumed he'd be a 3 year player from the time he committed. 

I believe he has a future in the NFL, but he's a high academic kid and I think he hasn't shown enough to get a high draft grade as a college player. He could lose a lot of money if he declares 

I Like Burgers

December 3rd, 2019 at 5:04 PM ^

Exactly.  If you look at all of his tape from this season, it's not great. He makes a good amount of eye-popping plays, but has an equal amount of boneheaded plays and drops.  And 33 catches for 440 yards and 6 TDs doesn't exactly scream NFL WR. That's not even a top-100 WR in college.

His combine numbers should be great, but its a loaded WR class this season with a lot of guys who have performed a whole hell of a lot better.  Feels like a 5th rounder.  Which...maybe that's good enough for him to go.  Maybe not.

DairyQueen

December 4th, 2019 at 12:32 AM ^

Agreed, but the NFL has shown time and time again if your measureables really pop out, someone will take a chance on you (even if it never translates onto the field, time and time again teams will line up to take cance).

DPJ is a lot like Gary (not as extreme of course), in that his college statistics aren't amazing, but his sheer athleticism, strength, and physical build is.

funkywolve

December 3rd, 2019 at 5:49 PM ^

I think that happens with a number of guys - really high recruiting ranking, gets a lot of buzz each spring and out of practice, Brian/others project big things but the reality on fall Saturdays doesn't match the spring/pre-season hype.  Despite the performance on fall Saturday's people still think the player is going to be a high draft pick.

DHughes5218

December 3rd, 2019 at 8:05 PM ^

He could lose a lot of money by coming back as well. If he leaves now, he will get an invite to the combine and show the main reason he was a 5 star in high school. He’s fast and athletic. Measurables and potential will make him a 2-3 round player.

If he comes back, he’s playing with a first year starter at QB and there’s no guarantee his numbers will improve and then he will be a 4 year guy who hasn’t produced. It’s a gamble either way.

Mercury Hayes

December 3rd, 2019 at 3:19 PM ^

Brian has written about this in various blog posts. Other have mentioned it in threads dedicated to talking about the depth chart (I think that post was yesterday). You may find many answers already on the board.

Blue in Paradise

December 3rd, 2019 at 3:22 PM ^

This is a well done and appropriate post. 

I would be mildly surprised if all 3 junior receivers came back - I would be happy if any two of them came back as that would give us great WR depth next year for Dylan or Joe.

The only other player I can think of is Cesar Ruiz. 

Kwity Paye is a long shot as he is not a killer off the edge - which is what NFL GMs are looking for.  Ambry would test well speed-wise, but I imagine he would want to come back next year to put some weight back on before the Combine underwear olympics.

ldevon1

December 3rd, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^

Paye got handled by Wisconsin and OSU. He needs another year. He isn't really the pass rush type at this time, but with another year he could become more of one. I'm real curious about Nico. People keep saying he is a stud, but I don't see it. He is a very good college receiver, but running around the high 4.5 to low 4.6 range he won't be as effective if the pro's. 

WorldwideTJRob

December 3rd, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^

These guys have a ton of resources at their disposal more reliable and valuable than some random NFL mock drafts. They will consult with the coaches and their families, get feedback and make the best decision for them individually.

bluinohio

December 3rd, 2019 at 4:58 PM ^

I'm really not angry. Just pointing out that, when you have less talented players than the opponent, those players need to be developed. Taking 3* and making them 3.5* isn't going to work against 5*.

I get downvoted but it has to be something. People say, it's not recruiting, it's not coaching, it's not the players. Well then, what is it? We have the same talent, level of coaching, level of development, but we get blown out every year. Almost lose to army? You guys are delusional.

MGoBlue96

December 3rd, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^

Honestly I think Ambry Thomas is more likely to leave (though still a small chance) than some of the other names mentioned in this thread like Paye, etc. He needs a little more bulk, but besides that has all the measurables the NFL is looking for and had a pretty good year. Unfortunately, I think he would be the guy they could least afford to lose as the secondary would most likely be a huge liability next year without him.