Awww man, after reading that story, I kinda wish he has the chance to fulfill his dream of playing for Michigan in the Big House. But deep down, I know that this will not be possible. Best luck to the guy in his future ventures, wherever they may lead.
Demar Dorsey in detnews
Why it is not possible for him to transfer to Michigan? He got the determination and belief. I just hope Hoke can take a look and talk to the kid first instead of ignoring him, that would be a huge disappointment. Can't imagine what he will feel one day walk out the Tunnel of the Big House, touching that Banner, and Making plays for us. Wish him the best.
it was a horrible story, since it was the guy who was killed by police for bringing a gun into the Cal computer lab recently, but in the article it said he transfered into the Haas school of business at Cal from a community college. so why couldnt dorsey get into michigan from GRCC? Its not like any of us know his grades, he could have a 4.0. also, i always hear about how credits dont transfer, but what does that really matter when it comes to admission for a football player? if the kid has a legit shot at the NFL then maybe it's not that big of a deal and if he doesn't graduate before his eligibility runs out he can come back later and finish up. Ive never really understood why it was considered impossible.
Cal may not be the best example to use though: 35% of the students who graduate from Cal transfer in after having started elsewhere. This is part of the state of California's idea about how to provide what James Angell called "the uncommon education for the common man." While I'm not saying Michigan doesn't accept transfer students (I knew a few when I was there), transferring in to Michigan isn't necessarily the same thing as transferring in to Cal.
I do hope Dorsey can make it work though.
I transferred in after 2 years of JC.. Got an Mech Engineering degree, so not a useless major - you just need to have a plan on which credits transfer and which don't. I had to take lots of summer classes to get to that point....So you have to know what you need to do. You can't take a bunch of worthless classes and think you'll get credit for them at Michigan.
Best decison of my life :)
I mean, if South Park can do a whole episode of Penn State jokes, it's time....
yeah, Cal accepts LOADS of transfers. It's the way the UC system is set up: lots of people go to CC because CC costs like $2k/year for in-state students. Get the easy 4.0, then transfer to get that prestigious degree for basically half price.
/UM fan in Cali.
I'm not holding my breath on a JuCo transer getting into UofM, but I really want to see the kid succeed. Seems like his head is in the right place.
thinks his needs are, and whether that fits in the overall recruiting strategy. Then there are his grades, which don't receive any mention in the article. That said, I do think the school and the staff should do the right thing and take a close look. (I would really like to see the redemption story happen - everyone doing the right thing - if for no other reason than to stick it in the Freep's eye, bur certainly for Demar as well.
I remember reading in an old thread that GRCC was one of the few schools whose credits transferred easily to Michigan. Maybe this was the reason DD chose to play there?
Many of the CCs in the state have articulation agreements wth Michigan. Don't know if this is the case with GRCC, but it would not surprise me at all.
Because they have a traditionally strong football team, so far this year they are 11-0 with just a bowl game left , possibly the national championship
The hottest girl I knew in Aerospace Engineering at UM was a GRCC transfer student.
Yes, yes, I know, that might not be saying much . . . .
I'll be rooting for this kid.
Good article. I know it's a long shot, but it would be nice to have the No Fly Zone in full effect. If not here I hope he gets his shot with a good program.
Damn he runs a 4.2?!
Dilithium runs in the family
Michigan recruiting class; he would of been the top recruit in the Big Ten, and a top 10 recruit nationally by some recruiting services. I remember seeing the video after he heard the news, he looked sad; I felt bad for him. He looked like he truly wanted to be a Wolverine. Looks like he still does.
A JUCO player that's not at a position of immediate Need, doesn't look like it will happen, as much as I would love it if it did. Fortunately for him, even if he doesn't end up a Wolverine, Tennesseee, Texas Tech or Miami won't be bad places to end up
might suggest otherwise.
Yeah, I forgot about the whole Miami mess, but was just saying he will land on his feet if (when?) his Wolverine dream doesn't work out.
I think Miami would be terrible for him since its close to home. He doesn't need a bunch of hangers-on if he is series about school and football.
I don't think he even wants to be in Florida. He picked UM over FSU not just because of his love for UM but because he had too many bad influences there and other parts of the state. I know he had originally enrolled at TCC up in Tally but he obviously didn't make it.
It would seem that he doesn't care if he gets a scholarship or not and that all he wants to do is to get into the school and try out for a walk on spot.
1. it's Russell Bellomy
2. a vertical is measured by the start and end positions of the fingertips, not the feet. A 51 inch vertical would be if Bellomy could jump onto those boxes without bending his knees in midair.
Regardless of the vodka, 51" box jumps are pretty impressive also.
high jumpers go 7ft...no it is not the same
Wherever he ends up, ill be rooting for him.
The article gives the impression that Demar Dorsey is single minded in his goal of getting to Michigan. Would he be a 2012 or 2013 recruit, if a 2013 recruit he would have plenty of time to make sure his grades are adequate, he is listed as a 2013 recruit for Rivals. Michigan accepts transfer credits from GRCC and if his grades are in order, I cant see a reason why Michigan would not accept him as a 2013 prospect.
A secondary of Countess, Dorsey, Wilson, and Dymonte Thomas would be a legitimate NO FLY ZONE.
I'm pretty happy with the no-long-touchdowns-over-the-safeties, zone.
imagine having the luxury to rush 7 on half the snaps - you probably wouldn't have to, but you could... and that would be awesome.
Hell, they'd probably flag him for thinking he HAD TO BE offsides...
I agree...why is this such a long shot if he is a 2013 recruit? He is busting his ass to get to Michigan, that is what makes a Hoke player.
I hope he gets on the team in the future but also agree with everyone in that I will be rooting for him whereever he goes
Wherever he ends up, I would root for him. He's been through quite a bit just to get this far, and I hope he gets to fulfill his dream somewhere if not at Michigan.
It was a nice article and I would love to see him make it to UM, but I will certainly be pulling for him, regardless of where he winds up. Two things struck me: First, his coach describing how poor his fundamentals were. It sounds as if he would not have been the freshman savior we were hoping for when he signed, so I am not sure how much better he would have made last year's defense. Second was the gripe from his family that they never got a good explanation for why he was not admitted, and indicating that he had fulfilled all the requirements. He was not admitted to Louisville either! Did admission offices nationally conspire against this kid?!? Just acknnowledge that you had not done the academic work in HS but you are working hard now having learned that lesson. Comments like that make me wonder if there is still an underlying sense of entitlement.
I would be willing to bet that it is easier for a football player to get admitted now than it has been for the last three years, because "everybody is on the same page" now.
Went all the way to Louisville....
Demar Dorsey's lack of admission (and I choose that phrase deliberately because despite what the newspaper and Dorsey may say, no admissions decision was given to Dorsey. It never got to that point. BUT I DIGRESS....) his lack of admission wasn't due to UM's Office of Admissions suddenly tightening up their policies because they didn't like Rodriguez or because he didn't go through the right steps in recruting him. There were issues with Dorsey's application that would have existed no matter who was at the helm.
You're right. It was later established -- by Brandon, among others -- that RR didn't go through proper channels when signing Dorsey. Had he done so, it seems, the school would have said no right at the get-go. I hope Dorsey succeeds. But he shouldn't have been accepted at M at the time.
I have a felling this kid will eventually find his way into a winged helmet, god bless DD he seems to have got his head on straight. Oh let do it!!!
Dave Brandon , 4 words for you. O let do it.
Two things working against DD attending U-M as a walk-on:
- $50K+/year OOS cost of attendence expenses.
- Only 2 years of eligibility. He would have to compete with Countess, Floyd, Avery, etc. for PT
DD would be better off going to a school that offers him a scholarship and immediate PT.
Is a safety, isn't he?
I think he was a safety in HS but we were going to have him play CB at first.
Floyd is gone after next year and DD is probably better than Avery right now.
but I get the feeling Demar's heart is all about coming to Michigan. That's some good advice, but if he is willing to work his BEHIND off, get mature and replace 'O let do it' with "I'm gonna get it done"...
Everything happens for a reason, and not all of it can be thought out in your head; best of luck to you Demar, however you go...
Give him a tryout, coach!
Probably have to do a redshirt to acclimate him to B1G. So really looking at 2013, IMO
I already really wanted him to get a second chance here, this article just makes it more so.
I have to think that there is no harm in letting him come on as a walk-on. If the kid is willing to pay his own expenses, and only wants a chance to earn his way onto the field, where's the bad in that. If he ends up still having issues then we are not out a schollie and he is simply removed from the team. Again, where's the bad?
I would like to see Demar at UofM... Not only because he's a good player, but also because he's worked really hard and has earned a 2nd chance....I know that he would play for 2 years abut one of those could be a National champion year...
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is someone i will root for. like many people here have said, its hard not to hold out hope for him. people take different amounts of time in growing and learning in society and he seems to have settled into himself and has a clear defined feeling for who he is. i wish him nothing but the best and it would be a great story to see him line up one day in our defensive backfield
It would be great if he could find his way into a winged helmet. Who cares if we are already stacked in the secondary. It would only ensure he has to work hard to get onto the field. Getting baby'd and being made to feel entitled is what got him into this mess in the first place. Stay humble and keep working hard DD and hopefully Mallory/Mattison/Hoke give you a serious look my man
This article is a great reminder that we can all be pretty harsh on some of these kids who are still figuring it all out. I know I was one of the people who thought DD would be a bad fit--and he very well might have been. I'm also a big believer in redemption. Even when we have negative things to say on here, it's good to remember that these are young men who can grow and change. Thanks for sharing the article!
Part of me says go the NE Patriots route...let him come on as a walk-on and earn a scholarship. If he messes up, even if it's something that someone else may just be suspended for...he's out. Zero tolerance.
But this isn't the NFL, this is a young man's life. I'm not sure you can treat him like Chad Ochocinco or Albert Haynesworth. I'm not sure you can say, "alright, we'll take you...but it's one chance and that's it. We'll give you a legit shot to earn a scholarship, but you have to be perfect."
On the other hand, he could just go elsewhere (NOT MIAMI!!!) and have some good coaching, support, be on equal ground and footing with everyone else and really not have the distractions of what took place here a year ago. Where that place is? I don't know. I've heard good things about Tennessee's new coaching staff in terms of support for players.
I love the come back story, and would CERTAINLY love to see it. I think Dorsey has the potiential to be Mattison's Ed Reed. But with Hoke, Mattison, Mallory and Dave Brandon...I just don't see this "regime" making this happen. I think it would be a nice gesture to reach out and sit down with Dorsey even if you don't recruit him.
I love seeing this guy succeed after the raking he received in the press. Whether or not he ever makes it to Ann Arbor (I doubt it will happen by the way), I'm rooting for him.
I don't know if it's feasible, but seeing him in a winged helmet would be awesome.
Going to GRCC was probably the best decision Demar could have made. In recent years, GRCC has become the go-to program for top-level talent with academic or life issues. heck, a couple of years ago, their quarterback had just got out of jail on a manslaughter case; now he is doing well at a four-year school.
The head coach came from Muskegon High School - which if you're from Michigan, you know is a regular state title contender - so I know Demar is getting taught good fundamentals. They also have a sort of "spiritual advisor / mentor" that assists players with life issues so I'm confident that Demar has come a long way as a person from where he once was.
Unfortunately, Michigan traditionally doesn't do JuCo - for regular students or atheletes. The students you hear of that do transfer are typically top-flight academically and probably would have been admitted to UM out of high school.
As a GR resident though, I have enjoyed being able to watch the talent Demar brings to GRCC first hand and wish him the best of luck wherever he goes.
I go to GRCC, and whenever I see him he is clowning with his buddies. I said hi to him once and he was pretty confused cause he had no idea who I was, pretty funny stuff. He's also hilarious to watch. I talked to another player on the team, and he said that Demar is "the funniest dude on the team and he's a beast on the field".
I say if we can't give him a schollie, atleast give him a call and have him tryout. He'd clearly make it as a walkon, and then maybe earn a shollie later in his career.
Oh and technically, he's a freshman right now. This is his first season of playing ball at GRCC.
NO FLY ZONE, O LET DO IT!
I'm wondering if UofM admissions would be willing to give him a shot. There's a risk, but there's also tremendous reward. It makes a great story.
I would LOVE this kid to suit up for UM. How could you deny him if he has such a strong desire to wear Maize n Blue that he will walk on & pay his own way!?!? I understand the grades have to be in line, etc. But, if he has talent like I saw when he dominated the high school all star game he could go to the league and easily pay off student loans with his 1st paycheck.
Wherever he ends up, gotta root for this kid to succeed. We all make mistakes, hopefully, he learns and grows from them. A little bit of humble pie probably is going a long way for him too.
It'd be a cool story if he made it into a Winged helmet and I have a feeling he would be an instant crowd favorite.
Hoke/DB/Mattison - O Let Do it!
I understand that the cost of tuition is high, but wouldn't you consider the 80k he takes out in loans a perfect investment for a kid like that?
He's got the talent, if he succeeds at Michigan he'll more than easily be able pay off that student loan. If he doesn't he'll have a MIchigan degree at worst.
after reading that. I'd say Denard being his cousin might be the foot that's barely holding the door open. Maybe a toe...
Or perhaps, a shoelace?
Denard comes from a family of very modest income. I doubt he'd be inclined to come to M as a walk-on -- and pay full tuition -- when other top programs will be offering full rides.
Unless he's really really pulled it around at GRCC, I'd be surprised if he could get in on grades alone. I would love to see him get a scholarship though if we had one available.
What a story this would be in 10 years!
Demar Dorsey goes through what he went through in the recruiting process, goes to GRCC, transfers to UM. Goes to try-outs. Makes the team as a walk on, earns a scholarship. Has 3 great years in the Maize and Blue. Ends up earning All-America Honors. 1st Round Pick.
OH LEY DO AYYYYY!!!!
you need to provide proof of residency with substantial evidence. In state DL, property taxes, utility bills, etc.
I'm pretty sure he's got some sort of state ID (drivers license or state id) to add to his school transcripts.
If I'm not mistaken, he would have been living in the state of Michigan for 2 years when the time comes for financial aid .. wouldn't that classify him as being an in state student? I thoght federal laws around financial aid requires state residence for a year before being able to receive in state tuition.
No, federal laws don't regulate tuition this way.
U-M's policy states that you must demonstrate you (or, more usually, your parents) have been living in MI for a reason other than college attendance. So moving up here for college won't cut it. Even if you buy a house. Even if your spouse gets a job.