[Dellenger] NCAA says Ohio State's Ryan Day has no known ties to Michigan sign-stealing probe

Submitted by BoFlex on November 6th, 2023 at 7:17 PM

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The NCAA notified the Big Ten on Monday that there are no known connections between Ohio State head coach Ryan Day or his family and the conference's investigation into Michigan, senior officials at both the association and conference.

Glad there was enough public pressure to force the NCAA to report on this aspect. Still very curious where this PI firm hire originated.

Red is Blue

November 6th, 2023 at 7:20 PM ^

Sounds like the NCAA is trying to clean up the mess the B1G made/ is making.

Some people yesterday were saying how they expected this to end with a fizzle, not a bang.  This might be the start of the fizzle.

First Harbaugh not tied to Stalions, now Day not tied to investigation.  NCAA is now positioned to say, Stalions was a rogue actor and has no reason to further pursue Michigan or look into the source of the info.  To resolve Michigan needs to put additional measures into place to prevent a reoccurrence and pay a reasonably small level 2 violation and this all goes away.  This gets the spineless dipshit B1G commish off the hook too.

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gbdub

November 6th, 2023 at 7:21 PM ^

Well maybe it wasn’t Day himself. But if it was ANYONE connected to OSU, well, he MUST have known and therefore MUST be indefinitely suspended immediately. That’s the standard we’re using right?

(In seriousness, no chance OSU wasn’t somehow involved, they seem to have been ringleading the back door “Michigan was cheating” stuff)

MichiganFootball

November 6th, 2023 at 7:22 PM ^

No “known” connection.  
 

And the NCAA has likely not even bothered to try and find out.  
 

It’s possible that Day and Ohio State are not the ones behind it (though unlikely given that Ohio State insiders had advance notice this was coming).  But this story isn’t really evidence of anything either way. 
 

Still a lot of facts to come out and hence why it’s important you do a full investigation before acting.

FB Dive

November 6th, 2023 at 7:29 PM ^

Yep, it sure would be a fascinating coincidence how all the Buckeye insiders know the identity of the firm if it doesn't trace back to Day and OSU. 

I'm glad this headline dropped now though. If/when evidence of the firm's ties is uncovered, it will underscore the absurdity of acting without due process.

gbdub

November 6th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^

Of course, if you’re not a Buckeye and are smarter than Connor Stalions, leaking via OSU insiders would be a good way to cover your tracks. 

Gun to my head though, I bet this is some rich Buckeye booster who heard someone on the team blabbing about Michigan stealing signs and decided to take matters into his own hands. 

lhglrkwg

November 6th, 2023 at 8:01 PM ^

I just can't imagine it wasn't prompted by the football program though. How would a booster know? It could make sense if someone in the OSU program asked Joe Buckeye Booster "hey we know this Stallions kid seems to be running the most half ass sign stealing operation in division 1. Look into it for us because its bad news for Michigan" or something like that

gbdub

November 6th, 2023 at 8:22 PM ^

I mean I’m just coming up with bullshit on a message board, but you’d need someone connected enough to know the name Connor Stalions, but NOT connected enough to know that OSU had similar skeletons in the closet, and have deep enough pockets to hire a PI over sports bullshit. 

Which screams booster to me… but maybe Day, if Day was shielded from the “sign sharing” the way Stalions hid his activity from Harbaugh. 

SFBayAreaBlue

November 6th, 2023 at 7:22 PM ^

So either all the insiders that say we know and have evidence of who the PI firm is and how they're linked to OSU are either wrong, or the NCAA is in the dark, which is it?

SouthOfHeaven

November 6th, 2023 at 7:37 PM ^

It doesn't mean they're wrong. It just means the most blatantly obvious answer isn't always the correct one. 

I've seen stuff that says Michigan knows who the firm is and who hired them. It doesn't explicitly say it was Day. 

The only thing that's certain is that someone hired them, and that someone is driven by a desire to smear Michigan. 

lhglrkwg

November 6th, 2023 at 7:23 PM ^

I mean…”known”. Lots of wiggle in there.  Do they know who did hire a PI? It they don’t say “we know who it was and isnt Day” then they probably just know who it was yet

gbdub

November 6th, 2023 at 7:27 PM ^

OK actually, new theory. It was Sparty:

1) they seem to have been out of the loop of the rampant sign-sharing operation going on, and therefore wouldn’t expect blowback.

2) OSU has actually been a lot quieter than they could be here. And they seem to have preferred to take a “back channel” path to revenge, via sharing their own scouting and tipping off TCU. 

3) Timing of the leak right before the MSU game lets them grandstand about player safety

4) Gets Tuck out of the news cycle.

Balanced against this is that OSU has more to gain directly, and the leaks seem to be coming via OSU connected outlets. But that could be arranged by the PI client pretty easily. 

gbdub

November 6th, 2023 at 7:59 PM ^

Because the “media insiders” probably didn’t know OSU was cheating in a similar way, that was probably kept inside the house. 

They’d be a reliable way to launder the accusations, since they could be counted on to release anything that might hurt Michigan.