San Diego Mick

December 15th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^

I'm gonna go ahead and take cuts here.

IDGAF what he wants at this point, you know what I want?

A coach who looks like he gives a fuck and not checked out. Do a more equitable job of recruiting, do better at keeping those players and not rub people the wrong way and run them off, Develop those players better.

In general, do a better job of running the program. If he really cares about Michigan then he either does that or step out of the way.

diehardalum

December 15th, 2020 at 1:02 PM ^

Couldn't agree more!  Harbaugh looks like he's going through the motions.  Players haven't developed like they should, the defense looks progressively worse including the bigger and bigger beat downs from OSU, and the offense has yet to start a QB under Harbaugh that looks like he's in control.  I'd like to see a HC change but at a minimum, we need an overhaul of staff starting with Don Brown.  

 

Like always, Go Blue!

UM85

December 15th, 2020 at 1:06 PM ^

Exactly. And Warde has offered him a contract to do so.  I may not be a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that if he truly wants to come back all Jimmy needs to do is accept the offer by signing the contract.

TIMMMAAY

December 15th, 2020 at 1:41 PM ^

No. But unlike you, Jim Harbaugh actually deserves, and probably should still be coach next year. This year shouldn't count, for obvious reasons that seem to elude most of the board. Last year was his first "bad" year, and it wasn't that bad. Just felt like it because it ended so poorly. 

I don't understand why it's so hard for so many people to maintain just a little bit of perspective. That applies to a lot more than our football team, or sports in general. It's endemic in our culture today, and I hate it. 

UMProud

December 15th, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^

I appreciate your defense of Harbaugh but there are some things that are frightening while I grant you this year shouldn't be judged in terms of the W/L column as much as we want.  Having said that:

-The team that is fielded is lethargic and looks like spectators on the sideline

-The players are making mistakes during games consistently that point to lack of coaching fundamentals

-This team does not look prepared to play on any given Saturday.  If they lose due to personnel being out from Covid etc fine...but this team doesn't look well coached at all.

-Harbaugh's demeanor during press conferences is strange and noticeably different than his first few years

-We have not seen improvements in the team from game to game

 

Coaches of programs with fewer resources and lesser talent do a noticeably better job of making the most of what they have.  The Michigan team appears to get minimal performance out of it's wealth of riches and talent and it hasn't gotten better over the season.  

 

East German Judge

December 15th, 2020 at 2:58 PM ^

I cannot fathom how people who know football as well as you, cannot look at these less than stellar "achievements" of Jim Harbaugh and still feel that he has done well enough to warrant a 7th year coaching here at Michigan:

  • 0-5 vs OSU, with the 2 worst losses ever, and covid'ed this year's game
  • 3-3 vs MSU
  • 0 B1G titles, not even playing in the B1G title game let alone CFP
  • best road win is against #20 Northwestern
  • 1-4 in bowl games
  • 0-15 when Michigan is an underdog
  • 2-12 vs. top 10 teams
  • worst halftime deficit in Michigan stadium history & 2nd worst loss ever at home
  • home loss to an 0-5 team
  • 4 straight home losses
  • talented players transferring / leaving the program early
  • inability to recruit and develop certain position groups
  • 4th highest paid coach in the country

SMart WolveFan

December 15th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^

The lack of an adequate replacement?

Considering many of the hot young coaches probably couldn't even accomplish what Harbaugh HAS in 6 seasons.

Even Matt Campbell, who seems to be the only real candidate, got a pass on his 3-9 season because he turned it around to not quite get to 10 wins every year. Doubtful even he would be the one to get us to the top4.

AlbanyBlue

December 15th, 2020 at 6:21 PM ^

Adding to what EGJ said:

  • Horrible in-game coaching decisions, including being ultimately responsible for perhaps the worst RB substitution scheme in college football
  • Inability to utilize modern clock management techniques such as running tempo, making the defense proficient in dealing with other offenses running tempo, and teaching the offense how to successfully manage end-of-half situations.
  • Holding onto a recruiting coordinator - Dudek - who apparently isn't coordinating shit, leaving us with a clearly unorganized recruiting process, leading to an inability to recruit well, as Judge mentioned.
  • Fetishizing "practice warriors" leading to the wrong players playing on gameday. This has ripple effects throughout the team and leads to the above-mentioned attrition, which is of historic proportions.
  • Holding onto a buddy DC whose effectiveness has clearly waned.
  • Being ultimately responsible for hiring position coaches that are ineffective at their jobs, leading to the above-mentioned lack of development.
  • Being ultimately responsible for an offensive scheme that apparently is trying to mash together concepts that can't work together, leading to an inability to even look functional on offense.
  • Being ultimately responsible for consistently high injury rates, stemming from (possibly) a demand for playing through minor injuries, making them worse rather than allowing players to heal properly.

And people still want to hang on to this guy? C'mon man....

TIMMMAAY

December 16th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^

So, I acknowledge there are some issues, certainly. But I can also see what some of the mitigating factors have been, or that I believe to have been. Nearly half of your list is from this year. I'm not putting much stock in anything from this season. 

It is what it is, and we'll all see where it goes soon enough. 

Go Blue. 

WolverineMan1988

December 15th, 2020 at 3:01 PM ^

I appreciate where you're coming from, but last year was NOT his first "bad" year. 2017 was the beginning of the slide. That team went 8-5 with zero wins of any significance and an embarrassing bowl collapse against South Carolina. 2018 was a nice rebound year until it wasn't. 2019 was just meh. 

I completely understand that bringing in a new coach doesn't guarantee more success and could even mean less, but Harbaugh has let this program slide in more ways than one (player management, player development, obvious recruiting gaps and a focus in the NE for some reason, etc...) and the lack of results against upper/mid-tier opponents is starting to pile up. There's no excuses for the WAY in which we have lost to Wisconsin the last two years or losing to MSU this year. And those are just a couple of examples. You can choose to chalk this year up to COVID and its effects, but we did not field a competent football team this year. When that happens at Michigan in year 6 of a coaching regime, it's time to move on. Giving Harbaugh an extension feels like delaying the inevitable (and I hope I'm wrong).

fishgoblue1

December 15th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^

Why wouldn't he?  All the school wants from him is to win a few games, graduate players and be scandal free for the most part.  He's done that.  No pressure from his bosses to win the B1G.  He's got it made.

Indy Pete - Go Blue

December 15th, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^

He is a very straightforward person.  He wants to return. He may not be wanted that badly - but I am anticipating a rare maneuver in college: a head coach humbly accepts a pay cut because he has not performed at his previous salary level.  Dantonio’s pride before the fall was prophetic in more ways than he intended. Harbaugh has a chance to see if the humble will be exalted. I know I am in the minority now, but I want to see this happen.

Jack Be Nimble

December 15th, 2020 at 11:52 AM ^

Other than Warinner, Jay is probably the last person on the staff I would like to see go. I was as skeptical as anyone when he was hired for obvious reasons (the nepotism), but Jay Harbaugh has been excellent. Hassan Haskins, a guy he found and developed (when almost every other Power 5 school missed him), is almost certainly our best offensive player.

He's also been a good recruiter. Blake Corum, Tavierre Dunlap, and Zach Charbonnet were all heavily pursued by other schools but chose to come to Michigan.

fishgoblue1

December 15th, 2020 at 12:03 PM ^

I wonder, and this is my own speculation, if he would want to work for someone other than his dad or uncle to get away from the nepotism criticism.  His only position not working for dad or uncle was as a grad assistant at Oregon State, but he worked for his dad's old coach Mike Riley.    

ollieboy

December 15th, 2020 at 2:06 PM ^

Claims being debunked has never stopped fans from attributing what they want from said claim & continuing to pass them off as gospel.
 

There’s been so many contradicting “claims” from many known & portrayed insiders that one can conceivably connect dots in whatever manner they desire.
 

As with most things, (seemingly even more so when Harbaugh & contracts are involved. His staffs included) it’s best to take things as they come & prepare to be surprised when the dust settles.

bronxblue

December 15th, 2020 at 12:13 PM ^

JUB's reporting (and what people then claim he's reporting) has been all over the map recently with respect to Harbaugh.  What I read it to mean was that there would need to be dramatic changes; that doesn't mean you fire everyone if you can justify why they should stick around.  Jaybaugh, Warinner, Moore, and Zordich all feel like good coaches/recruiters Michigan should try to retain; they may not but turning over a staff completely isn't logical or realistic.

azee2890

December 15th, 2020 at 11:46 AM ^

Maybe with a reduced salary and a dimmer spot light, he can flourish again. I really think outside pressure, media rumors, and negative recruiting really did a toll on him. We know he wants badly to be a legendary Michigan coach and I think those pressures have done him in. Maybe with dampened expectations he can return to his former glory. 

azee2890

December 15th, 2020 at 12:48 PM ^

The expectations are much lower than they were in 2015. He probably won't be making Saban level money, so those criticisms will be no longer valid. I think the days where we are pre season picks for the CFB is done until we beat OSU, so the team won't have lofty expectations. And now the narrative is shifting to how can Harbaugh get back to being Harbaugh rather than Harbaugh needs to change who he is (which was the narrative in 2017 or so. I think it's a lot easier for Harbaugh to rekindle his flame than to remake himself and his philosophy. 

If he commits himself to Michigan despite everything going against them right now, then it should silence the negative recruiting every year that he will bolt for the NFL. Teams will still negatively recruit saying he might not be in AA for long but that will be based on results instead of rumors, which is much easier to quantify for a recruit. 

kehnonymous

December 15th, 2020 at 12:37 PM ^

That may very well be true and regardless of how you feel about this team (thanks we hate it), it's very reasonable to expect a bounce back of sorts next year.  Thing is, high expectations and a white hot spotlight are always going to be a baked-in constant in Ann Arbor, even if I was the coach.

"If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen" verges on Rovellian bad take territory, but if the weight of the pressure has become an immovable obstacle that bottles up the best version of Harbaugh on and off the field, then it really would be the best thing for all parties to end things as gracefully and quickly as possible.

cKone

December 15th, 2020 at 1:26 PM ^

Maybe the weight and the pressure in AA is the problem.  I honestly believe that our football woes are not as much related to the coach as it is to what the culture at the university has become.  The university wants to win like any other school, but will not bend its morals to achieve the wins.  The fan base only sees the wins and loses and sees failure.  The admin sees graduation rates and a lack of violations and believe things are fine. 

I'm so sick of the damn list that people throw out.  (0-X OSU, 3-X MSU, Bowl games!!!) My question is what is anyone's record against OSU in the last 20 years?  Michigan isn't alone in that category and that isn't going to change until the NCAA changes. The MSU record is skewed by the most fluke play I've ever seen and a pandemic year, and Michigan is historically bad at Bowl games.  That goes back to before the Bo era.  

Michigan can chose to fire or ask Harbaugh to walk.  At this point I'm indifferent to it.  I just don't expect the records to change regardless of the coach they hire until the university's culture changes.  What that culture change needs to be is for someone much smarter than I to figure out.

lbpeley

December 15th, 2020 at 3:39 PM ^

I didn't realize that MSU wasn't playing in a "pandemic" year right alongside everyone else when they beat UM's asses. What the literal fuck does "pandemic" year have to do with anything? Everyone is dealing with the same shit. 

cKone

December 16th, 2020 at 8:35 AM ^

Not saying pandemic year is or isn't a factor other than life, in general is strange right now.  Take away the fluke of a loss against MSU and we are 4-2 and it isn't as bad.  My point stands.  I don't believe the culture of the University of Michigan and it's fan base, regardless of the coach, is a recipe for on field success.  

Trust me, it pains me to say that considering I've been a die hard fan for most of my 46 years.  I don't know what's worse, the disappointment of the on field results, or the fact that I barely care anymore.  A new coach opens a whole new can of worms.  The same coach all but ensures more of the same.